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Old 30-10-2004, 10:38   #61
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I wouldn't make substitutions every time you change, I was assuming you'd be using this for your master league team, so that you could keep it in and not have to load it up every time you want to use it. Also this way you can buy in the right players for the job, I would use a specialist formation for each club team you use as the players will always be different. If you know what I mean. Maybe you could try setting some up and using the template to demonstrate?
Well, I want to use the formation for on-line gaming via live and there you are not allowed to use master-league teams.
Not sure if I understand your last question: Do you want me to make the formation with names of the players who are in the default line-up?
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If you are only changing line up for a bit at a time, it shouldn't cause too much bother having your defenders out of position.
Think about the next scenario for a reason to use the 3 formations: Say I am 1-0 down and I switch from the default formation to formation B. I score twice: 2-1 up! Now I want to switch back to my default formation and to 'sit' on my lead.
So that is why I want to use your three formations. Indeed, when I choosed to substitute the backs and my sweeper in order to have players in the right position, I would have got problems to go back to my default-formation.
Still I asked if it matters if players are out of position. I was not able to play this way if it really mattered. Do you understand me?


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Old 30-10-2004, 13:44   #62
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It's just getting busy as I'm going out!
Thanks for your nice comments guys, I'm glad you appreciate my "work". Flattery gets you everywhere, as I'm a big headed get!
I'm going out now to play football, then no doubt a good long session on PES4 with the lads. I will study your questions in greater detail when I get back and post better answers. But for now:-
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You have highlighted the main problems with 3 up front and 3 at the back, you aren't the only one to have these problems, believe me, that is pretty much the reason why I studied the alternates so much, to fix those problems. If you want your wings to be stronger simply use side midfielders, or even go for a wild 4 up front with wingers and strikers. Madness, but lots of attacking fun. Again I'll go into greater detail later if you still need help.

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For me to do specific formations for each team I'd have to study them in greater detail and spend time perfecting a good set up for that side. I was just suggesting you take what you have learnt and show us what you are using. I understand if you are playing Live you may not want to share!
Like I said earlier, players out of position for short periods of time shouldn't cause too much damage, and it is sometimes very useful to have a defender in your midfield for tackling and winning headers and stuff. I think I understand you mate, if I haven't answered you properley, just ask again.
The main idea behind putting players in two/three positions is to get the most out of their abilities, and most importantly, confuse your opponent.
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Old 30-10-2004, 14:27   #63
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WOW... just downloaded Photoshop try out version, but using a template with that is difficult. Can you mail me how to do that, or is that too complicated?
I am not bothering that people can see what I use on live. If it's good, what can they do about it??
As soon as I know how to work with photoshop, I show you how it looks like.
Hope you do well playing football. If your football is equally good as your tactics, then you are at least at conference level
Let us know how PES went as well with your teammates
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Old 30-10-2004, 14:32   #64
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WOW... just downloaded Photoshop try out version, but using a template with that is difficult. Can you mail me how to do that, or is that too complicated?
I am not bothering that people can see what I use on live. If it's good, what can they do about it??
As soon as I know how to work with photoshop, I show you how it looks like.
Hope you do well playing football. If your football is equally good as your tactics, then you are at least at conference level
Let us know how PES went as well with your teammates
Yes it isn't as easy as I make it look is it?!
I sent you an Email Han.
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Old 30-10-2004, 14:42   #65
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Old 30-10-2004, 14:45   #66
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No bother, when I know I've got time to sit I'll go through it all with you, I may even set up a new thread to show how to use it.
Just think, I made that template from scratch...
Anyway I've just had a phone call, my lift is on the way, only an hour late...
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Old 02-11-2004, 22:52   #67
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A setup dedicated to my team, Newcastle United.
It hasn't been tested extensively, but it is what I have as default on my option file and it has served me well so far.
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Old 03-11-2004, 01:08   #68
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Interesting again James
Are you using the different formations to adapt to opponents formations?
Or are you playing B if you have to score, for instance?
What are your reasons to give CF's a defensive 'Normal' defensive arrow, rather than 'low' (in formation A and B)?
Why has Shearer in the default formation that strange attacking arrow (back and left)?
Just some questions...
Very curious to your answers
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Old 03-11-2004, 17:34   #69
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Interesting again James
Are you using the different formations to adapt to opponents formations?
Or are you playing B if you have to score, for instance?
What are your reasons to give CF's a defensive 'Normal' defensive arrow, rather than 'low' (in formation A and B)?
Why has Shearer in the default formation that strange attacking arrow (back and left)?
Just some questions...
Very curious to your answers
The different formations are just to spice things up a bit, for both the reasons you stated, and to create a bit of movement. If the opposition decides to man mark my striker (Kluivert), he will be dragged out and leave a gap, sometimes.
On Normal, the attackers will chase the ball down a bit, but won't bother on low, just to give them a rest every now and again.
Shearer has those arrows so he will pull back for headers from long kicks, and right so he cuts in on to his right foot. Simple. It's not perfect but it's as good as I can get it to work.
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Old 05-11-2004, 00:25   #70
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Nice! I will make a formation with Juventus, added with an alternative one (I don't have a second alternative yet).
I found a solution for the diagrams: No Photoshop yet; I will use PES 3-PC for making it
I hopefully have it posted tomorrow night.
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Old 05-11-2004, 23:27   #71
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Okay, here is my Juventus-formation (Default) and the alternative if we need to attack (formation A)
In the table below you see the players I use for both formations and their positions in it.

...............DEFAULT..Form.A .........
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Buffon.........GK...........GK
Ferrara........CBT(R)......CBT (R)
Legrotagglie CBT(C) ....CBT(C)
Montero.......CBT(L).....CBT(L )
Thuram........SB(R)......RMF
Tudor...........SB(L).......LM F
Camoranesi..OMF........WF(R)
Nedved.........DMF........DMF
Emerson......OMF........OMF
Del Piero......CF(L).......CF(L)
Trezeguet.....CF(R).......CF(C )

Manual strategy:
Zone press=square
Counter-attack=triangle
Off side trap=X
Formation A=O

The attacking attitude in the default formation looks like this:

Now the defending attitude:

Back line=B
Zone Press=B
Off side trap=A
Counter-attack=A


The attacking formation of my all out attack formation A:

...and their defensive attitude:

Back line=B
Zone Press=A
Off side trap=A
Counter-attack=A

Jmz, I am curious if you can find some improvement for this.
Especially formation A probably can be better, the default is used from your example.
My intention is to use default in normal situations or when defending a lead. Formation B is for situations when I need to play all out attack.
What do you think?

EDIT: I see a slight error in formation A: Thuram (RMF) should have a medium defensive arrow, not high..
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Old 08-11-2004, 16:43   #72
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I like that a lot, you make me proud, all the time I've spent here teaching the way of the formation has just all become worth while!
Seriously, top notch mate, I wouldn't want to try and improve that for you mate, it looks as if you have it bang on, the only thing I would do is maybe go even more attacking on your all out choice....
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Old 08-11-2004, 17:01   #73
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....the only thing I would do is maybe go even more attacking on your all out choice....
Will check back later, busy now..
Thanks You make me curious...
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Old 08-11-2004, 18:33   #74
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Well thats what I would do. If my default is very defensive, I would normally set up a very attacking alternate, just incase. I would stick with how you have it now, then use formation B for a 2-4-4 maybe??? If you dare... (stick your CB's very deep in your box)
Check out Classic Brazil for ideas.. They use 2 at the back.
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Old 08-11-2004, 20:20   #75
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I haven't unlock classic Brazil in PES 4 yet
But two CBT's very deep... but that leaves huge holes on the midfield...
But that's the calculated risk I guess?
BTW I played some complete matches using my all out attack and I won all of them
Looks like it is not so risky, just like you suggested!
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