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Old 17-11-2003, 22:54   #1
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Post The Player Form Arrows Explained! - maybe



Thanks to cjshp for posting that image.
Now who can translate it for us?

I think the left column shows the arrows in order:

Red up
Orange Diagonal up
Blue Diagonal down
Grey down
Yellow Cross Injury
Yellow recovering injury
Red recovering injury

[Just edited the above to the correct ones]

And the headings at the top of the other columns show the names for the skills. With the value indicating the difference that you get depending on which arrow you are on.

It's all very interesting - now let's find someone nice who can translate it


Edit- To make it easier for those who don't want to read through the whole thread, here is a better picture:



phelan has calculated the chances of receiving form arrows when they are set to "?" in the game settings.
They are not truly random as was previously thought.

Quote:
"there's about 50% chance of a green arrow, 20% chance of yellow and blue arrows, and 5% chance of getting red and grey arrows."
Here's how it works:
Red arrow = 5%
Yellow arrow = 20%
Green arrow = 50%
Blue arrow = 20%
White/Grey arrow = 5%

Credits:
Thanks to cjshp, engl and phelan.



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Edit on 25th October 2005:

Scanned from the official PES5 guide, the page explaining the form arrows. I swear they just copied phelan's table!



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http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/1...canzyg23bm.jpg

Great work by phelan, now the world knows!
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Old 17-11-2003, 23:14   #2
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Green right

The pic seems to show that a Yellow recovering arrow player would be better than the same player when he's on a green arrow. It's all very interesting - now let's find someone nice who can translate it
no, Green right is normal (+ 0 )

Yellow recovering is - (minus values )
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Old 17-11-2003, 23:18   #3
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but surley zyg is right?

red arrow indicates 100% fit, so surley anything less than 100% fit would be bad!

which is why green is bad.
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Old 17-11-2003, 23:19   #4
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the picture show

Red up
Orange Diagonal up
Blue Diagonal down
Grey down
Yellow Cross Injury
Yellow recovering injury
Red recovering injury

compare Green right, + or -

Green right=0

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Old 17-11-2003, 23:21   #5
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hey mate can u translate it and make a new one and then post it?
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Old 17-11-2003, 23:31   #6
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オフェンス
Offense

ディフェンス
Defence

ボディバランス
Body Balance

スタミナ
Stamina

トップスピード
Top Speed

加速力
Acceleration

レスポンス
Response

ドリブル精度
Dribble Acc

ドリブルスピード
Dribble Speed

ショートパス精度
Short Pass Acc

ショートパススピード
Short Pass Speed

ロングパス精度
Long Pass Acc

ロングパススピード
Long Pass Speed

シュート精度
Kick Precision

シュート力
Kick Power

ヘディング
Head Accuracy

ジャンプ
Jump

テクニック
Technique

カーブ
Curve

攻撃性
Aggressive

メンタリティ
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フリーキック精度
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Old 17-11-2003, 23:34   #7
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Red up +12 ,...
Orange Diagonal up +6.4 ,...
Blue Diagonal down -8 ,...
Grey down -16 ,...
Yellow Cross Injury -32 ,...
Yellow recovering injury -6.4 ,...
Red recovering injury -12 ,...

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I think Arrows- Explain maybe useful
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Quote:
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Red up +12 ,...
Orange Diagonal up +6.4 ,...
Blue Diagonal down -8 ,...
Grey down -16 ,...
Yellow Cross Injury -32 ,...
Yellow recovering injury -6.4 ,...
Red recovering injury -12 ,...
are these what effect they have on the players attributes?

so if a player has a red arrow does this mean his attributes will all go up +12?
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Old 18-11-2003, 00:47   #10
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You're supposed to look at the arrow and then link it to the column for the skill shown at the top. Seems that each skill changes by different values for each arrow. They don't all change by +12 but most of them do change by +12 or +9 on a red arrow.

Not sure which stat is for shooting but when Van Basten is on a red arrow, his shooting accuracy could increase (if shot acc stat is up there) by +6, +9 or +12 giving him a red accuracy of either 105, 108 or 111! Get in there!
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Old 18-11-2003, 03:53   #12
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cool i didnt realy know tha tha arrows increased points, but all i know is the higher the arrow facing the betta tha player gonna be playing
since i have pes3 and not we7 i dont have grey arrows or oranges

from what i can remember is

red= best performance

yellow/might be orange in we7= 2nd best performance above average

green= average

blue= bad... below average

purple= complete shit and will loose ball LOL

yellow+ = injured

red+ =injured badly and will be out for longer

and the other ones are just recovery
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Old 18-11-2003, 05:43   #13
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Wow I didnt know there was so many differences between the arrows. I knew that when a player has a grey arrow i shouldnt select him. But so many differences...phh
Tanks again zygalski for some great info! And of course CJSHP!
By the way shouldnt you remove ''maybe'' in the thread name now CJSHp has explained it?

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I believe that the meanings for the arrows will be the same for PES3 and WE7 - there isn't any real reason for them to be different.

I'm not sure whether these values are the ones that have always been used for PES and WE since the stats changed from being out of 19 to out of 99. Maybe PES1, PES2, WE5, WE6, WE6:FE and WE6:I all had the same stat changes as the ones shown here?

Good thinking GFK, I'll edit the title
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yea i didnt think there was too much difference, i only really noticed when i just stopped playing pes 1 though i would like to find sum more info on this about the points going up when the arrows are higher
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