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Old 22-07-2009, 14:12   #31
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^ please do. i'm always willing to see what else can be done with this ancient football engine.


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Old 16-09-2009, 14:45   #32
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MattheCat: i tried the exact same manual training goal exercise on the PS2 this week. no videos, but i can confirm you were right about that. the PS2 version has 16-direction manual pass, not full analogue.

this doesn't change the fact that the XBOX 360 PES6 has full analogue. i hope to God the new game has full analogue and isn't AI guided. I HOPE THEY LISTENED. i think they listened to my moaning about keeper cursor anyway.
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Old 20-09-2009, 14:57   #33
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this doesn't change the fact that the XBOX 360 PES6 has full analogue. i hope to God the new game has full analogue and isn't AI guided. I HOPE THEY LISTENED. i think they listened to my moaning about keeper cursor anyway.
I hope they do too! it is the best thing for those little through balls in to space rather than in to fixed path!

Hope they sort the goals out too, doesnt matter how the goal goes in the CPU should be looking at the placement of players.

And I hope they keep the right stick and r3 option in and not remove the options as in demo.
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Old 02-10-2009, 03:22   #34
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i started to train my manual passes in WE6 and i mastered it in WE7. i played with national champs and they always been amazed how i can do superb pass, even superb goal (lob the keeper from 30 yards or do a beckham-goal from 50 yard when the keeper is not there from doing a clearence), and also a heel foot goal when the player is not looking the net.

PES, from 2008 screw it up by making the pass faster and more ground, the opposite player can always cut my manual pass (or O pass) by head, and if i passed it more high, the ball will be too long and can't stop (every professional footballer can always stop the ball by adding some spin when he pass the ball).

that too-ground-shit was even tamed by me by adding R2 to long manual passes.

and now in PES2010 they change the method again and remove the option to make R3 necesary to press. now we must only use right stick to do manual pass (type 2 in option), but i prefer type 1 (with R3), and now konami make L1+R3 manual keeper! i'm frustated...


oh and konami still didn't fix the freekick shit. it's when you take a FK and the opposite player can have his player stand just right in front of the net. it's ridiculus, real players won't do that
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Old 02-10-2009, 07:12   #35
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Agreed %110...

I dont understand why Konami takes out what they did before...

Short socks
Camera tilting
Manual passin (R3)
Global editing
Training challanges

These are all made in previous PES series.. now all of them are taken out... I cant find any suitable and reasonable answer of WHY...
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Old 02-10-2009, 10:45   #36
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i started to train my manual passes in WE6 and i mastered it in WE7. i played with national champs and they always been amazed how i can do superb pass, even superb goal (lob the keeper from 30 yards or do a beckham-goal from 50 yard when the keeper is not there from doing a clearence), and also a heel foot goal when the player is not looking the net.

PES, from 2008 screw it up by making the pass faster and more ground, the opposite player can always cut my manual pass (or O pass) by head, and if i passed it more high, the ball will be too long and can't stop (every professional footballer can always stop the ball by adding some spin when he pass the ball).

that too-ground-shit was even tamed by me by adding R2 to long manual passes.

and now in PES2010 they change the method again and remove the option to make R3 necesary to press. now we must only use right stick to do manual pass (type 2 in option), but i prefer type 1 (with R3), and now konami make L1+R3 manual keeper! i'm frustated...


oh and konami still didn't fix the freekick shit. it's when you take a FK and the opposite player can have his player stand just right in front of the net. it's ridiculus, real players won't do that
i think in controller config they still give you the option to allow the click for manual passing. at least i think they do in 2009 (although manual passing has been no good since PES6). without the click, passing is far more difficult because you can't aim before applying power, you have to judge both instantly.
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what lad, the problem is L1+R3 is now the button for manual GK, i'm affraid konami won't give us the option to do L1+R3 for manual passes.

and i figure out now we can't manual pass well in 1st touch, you have to control it first. what a waste...
i did one-two-three passes well with ground manual pass in the 3rd pass.
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Old 24-10-2009, 01:54   #38
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i played the new PES today. you're right, they've removed the ability to fix the manual pass controls. it can't be done properly using just the joystick and not the click...

furthermore, they're STILL using the non-analogue type manual they used in 2009, the one that is AI assisted. the whole point of the manual pass is to ignore the terrible AI and see your own passes, like in PES6. without this feature, the game is dead to me.

it's been fun konami, i've logged more time on ISS and PES than any other game series! but now i think it's clear. you've listened to the fans, you've given them what they want. the reviewers are happy on the main page. clearly i'm a niche player, and you don't make the game how i like it anymore. the manual pass has the power to open up the field of play like no other feature. you had it, but you've broken it now, and that means i won't be playing these games anymore. cheers for the good times!
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Old 31-10-2009, 00:28   #39
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Whilst getting humped 9-0 in the process.

The problem with manual passes in past iterations of Pes is that simply weren't really all that manual. For a start, you are stuck with only 8 possible directions but in PES 2009 this is more like 4 directions as most of the time the diagonal stick flick will not register.

In short, the manual pass is a clumsy poorly implemented 'addition' to the game which albeit, does have its uses and as Neokubrik has pointed out, some nefarious game wrecking uses at that. I never knew about the Long Ball Type 5 exploit but I certainly used to take huge revenge on the cut-back queens in PES 2008 with my long pass goals from practically the half way line. This worked until Konami released a patch which simply nerfed the Long high manual pass from a certain area of the field.

If you had played FIFA, you would be in no doubt that using the left stick to implement a first touch control is by far the best thing that the left stick could be used for in footie game. This is somethign which FIFA really has got spot on and hopefully PES will imitate just as FIFA has matched and beaen PES by essentially copying the PES game engine to a great extent but then improving upon it.
Long Ball Type 5 exploit ? Whats that when its at home? The passing has not got any better in PES 2008 to 2009. Not played 2010. Its some problem when the passing in football game detracts from the overall game.
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