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Old 09-11-2009, 09:46   #1
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Trick Cards

I was curious as to what these did exactly. Konami provides as good as zero info on them so I went about in training to figure them all out myself. Hopefully this will help others cuz now I can make full use of these players. Should also help you ML players on whether to train these cards or not

Quick Scissors Dribble: Legs will move a lot faster when doing stepovers (L1x2)

Quick Turn: With the ball stopped, hold backwards and he'll quickly knock it back. Players without this card slowly roll the ball back.

Cross Over Turn: Ronaldo chop. R1 + 90 degrees to movement.

Scooping: Press backwards then forwards to flick the ball up.


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Old 09-11-2009, 10:53   #2
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Thanks for the effort mate
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Old 09-11-2009, 11:19   #3
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No problem . Konami should make a useful manual for once
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Old 09-11-2009, 15:37   #4
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there are loads of tutorials on youtube showing what does what and how to do it
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Old 09-11-2009, 19:34   #5
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there are loads of tutorials on youtube showing what does what and how to do it
This is not a tutorial thread, just a simple explanation. If you paid attention, those videos don't specifically mention the skill card. They'll just say Ronaldo chop, etc. There's no videos explaining quick scissors dribble or quick turn either, which at 1st I thought was something completely different. So even though I'd know how to do the Ronaldo chop from watching the video, I'd still have no clue it has to do with the cross over turn card.
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Old 10-11-2009, 04:08   #6
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i had to register here on the forums just to say thanks for your thread. been looking for this in quite some time now.

i was actually almost certain that quick scissor dribble was when they perform the scissor dribble where they reverse the movement from normal stepover - just faster than normal (the dribble where you first tap forward and then tap 90degrees either upwards or downwards, left or right for the players movement that is) but if you found out it's the stepovers i trust you mate

your also right about youtube movies doesnt specifically show what type of card provides the skill being performed, or at least it's not very clear.

didnt exactly get the quick turn thingymejiggy, it's just a normal turn but faster than without a card?
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Old 10-11-2009, 08:29   #7
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At first that's what I assumed the quick scissors was too but all that requires is dribble accuracy of 80 so just about anyone can do it. Here are the comparisons I used. Try some out yourself and you'll understand.

Rooney vs Obertan: Obertan has quick scissors, Rooney doesn't. Even though Rooney's agility is much higher, Obertan's stepovers are 3x faster.

The quick turn is only for when the ball is stopped. With the ball in front of you just hold backwards and you'll see a quick turn in opposite direction. Try the same with someone who doesn't have it and you'll see him drag the ball back before turning which is much slower.
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Old 10-11-2009, 19:05   #8
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indeed, i tried it last night after posting, and your right. when you first are aware of for example quick turn and quick scissor dribble i think it's alot easier to appericiate these skills cards. well done anyway.
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isn't quick turn for 90-degree turns? instead of the weird animation, they just do the classic one.
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Old 10-11-2009, 19:34   #10
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Thanks for posting this mates..
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Old 10-11-2009, 19:59   #11
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isn't quick turn for 90-degree turns? instead of the weird animation, they just do the classic one.
no, it's like Stormrider sais. if you stay stationary with the ball, and press opposite direction of the way the player is facing, he makes a quick turn 180degress, instead of dragging the ball under his foot and turn around which takes longer time to perform.

i just tested the 90degree turn your talking about, i first tested with lucas which has this weird slow animation, and his theqnique is 80 and dribble accuracy 77 and dribble speed 75.
and then i did it with mascherano which almost has the same stats as lucas, 82 in theqnique but 78 in dribble accuracy and 75 in dribble speed - and he made the normal animation.
the only answer i can come up with is it's the dribble animation of each player that decides wether he does the stupid slow animation or the normal animation.
if anyone has something to correct or add please do.
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Old 10-11-2009, 22:24   #12
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Smijernet that's cuz Masc had a better condition arrow. I just tested it out with a dozen players and all you need for a sharp 90 degree turn is 80 dribble accuracy. I had both Masc and Lucas on green arrow and they both did the slow animation. Right now I have Lucas on red arrow and Masc on green. Lucas is now doing the sharp turn thanks to the extra boost from red arrow and Masc still doing the slow one.

Edit: did some more testing. I got Babel on arrow pointing down and he can no longer do the sharp turn so looks like that arrow still brings your stats down a lot. Riera is on blue with 85 dribble acc he can still do it. I think that should help when choosing players. Blue arrow still playable, purple arrow = fuhget about it.
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Old 10-11-2009, 22:32   #13
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good thread!

im new to PES.... is it true you can dive? and if so how? also i don't play online just Master League
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Old 10-11-2009, 23:11   #14
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good thread!

im new to PES.... is it true you can dive? and if so how? also i don't play online just Master League
Pressing 3 shoulder buttons but I forget which ones lol just pause game and check command list it's in there somewhere.
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