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Old 10-09-2016, 20:24   #29416
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I actually kind of agree with Meyyappan here. It's far too early in his reign for him to be saying things like "they didn't give me what I wanted". He should have just said he got the line up wrong. And he really, really did get it wrong.
Answer me this then: yes, he made a mistake. He trusted his players, but it went wrong. So...

- Is he the one to blame because he chose "bad" players (and if the players are bad, why are they there? Who's to blame for that?)

- Are both the ones to blame because a) he chose the wrong players because b) they were supposed to be better (had it gone well, we wouldn't be discussing this; regardless Mou's options)

- Are the players the ones the blame, because they were expected to fulfil a role and despite doing so in the training (Mou's not stupid), failed to deal with the pressure/whatever and failed in the actual game.

Yes, he was inelegant, if you want it that way. He could be diverting the blame. He could have said it with other words. But for sure the players are to blame at least as much as Mou. They are the ones who do the running. Even if Mou is the one who allowed them to.
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Old 10-09-2016, 22:36   #29417
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I'd say he is to blame because choosing Mkhitaryan and Lingard when they have been lacking match fitness in a game of such high intensity as that was pretty daft. Especially Mkhitaryan who he has had ample chance to give him his debut start. So to throw him into this game when he is no where he probably has never played in such a frantic match was just poor decision making by Mourinho.

But even so, my point is that it's way too early for him to be making those comments. He's just come through the door. Yes, his reputation is massive, but he hasn't done shit at United and he's coming off a disastrous spell at Chelsea. He should be trying to get the players on his side, after LvG was reportedly very hard on them. I'm not saying to baby them, but he should protect them. That's what he used to do, but the third season at Madrid has changed him a lot.
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Old 11-09-2016, 09:32   #29418
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No,its not about who was at fault,its about keeping the team united and moving on especially when we know that Managers with history will receive a lot of backing from the United hierarchy,like van gaal did...it was not an unavoidable question either but he had to bash players he himself started,its a bit like distancing yourself from the team,we win together but you lose alone atleast its still better than i win alone but you lose alone moreever he has been here for 5 games,way too early to say things like certain individuals,he could just say the team didnt work as he expected to...rebelinho anyways..this is the reason he has been falling out at and since madrid,he used to protect his players at inter and his first chelsea stint.
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Old 11-09-2016, 12:07   #29419
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But even so, my point is that it's way too early for him to be making those comments. He's just come through the door. Yes, his reputation is massive, but he hasn't done shit at United and he's coming off a disastrous spell at Chelsea. He should be trying to get the players on his side, after LvG was reportedly very hard on them. I'm not saying to baby them, but he should protect them. That's what he used to do, but the third season at Madrid has changed him a lot.
Agreed, specially the Madrid part. Even if he's right (or wrong, doesn't matter for this), he should have talked to the players behind closed doors, not to the press.

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this is the reason he has been falling out at and since madrid,he used to protect his players at inter and his first chelsea stint.
I suppose he learned that it just isn't worth it? At Madrid it sure wasn't.
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Old 11-09-2016, 18:57   #29420
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Tried to second guess Guardiola by starting Henrik and Jesse over Martial and Mata, backfired. I've no problem him coming out and bashing players, without naming any, but too many didn't show up for a big game but it's not the first time it's happened. Guardiola may have come out and defended Bravo, but the guy's not stupid, he knows he had a shocker (and was lucky not to be sent off). It's easy to defend players when you've just won a game, not put in an AWFUL first 40 minutes and effectively lost the game then.

Rashford, btw Needed to start yesterday, needs to do more so next weekend.

EDIT: Also, just because he said one thing to the press doesn't mean he said the same to the players (perhaps he did to one or two). Remember SAF's way would be to blame something other than the players, but you knew he would have laid in to them if need be behind closed doors. It's one game FFS, when this happens through to May then I'll start to worry. Mourinho got his selection wrong, and a number of players were completely off the pace.
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Rashford obviously needs to start and deserves to but then Zlatan adds a lot of character to the team and is your best player so what are you guys going to do?

Play rashford on the wing?Martial and Jose have trouble over his defensive duties and ironically mata seems to be doing a stellar job for Jose.

What do you mean 2nd guessing Pep?He played his usual starting 11 with Iheanacho coming in for Aguero,pep wont change things around for one game when he is trying to build something and get people follow his philosophy when they are improving game by game and only 4 games in,can anyone 2nd guess that wrong?

Until he gets his first team performing exactly as he wants for a series of matches and his subs,rest of the squad seamlessly fitting in..he wont be making major changes for a single game.We can expect that only from the second half of the season.
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What do you mean 2nd guessing Pep?He played his usual starting 11 with Iheanacho coming in for Aguero,pep wont change things around for one game when he is trying to build something and get people follow his philosophy when they are improving game by game and only 4 games in,can anyone 2nd guess that wrong?
He picked Henrik and Lingard over Mata and Martial I assume to give more defensive cover, only problem is both lacked match fitness, didn't press enough and generally played shit. He got his selection completely wrong.

Need a career ending injury on Rooney, but sadly been waiting years for that and it doesn't seem to be coming
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I'm not the biggest fan of De Gea, but I'm not dumb. One doesn't have to like something to properly evaluate it. He's a great goalkeeper, one of the best of his generation for sure. And this save... Oh my.

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Also, a more than deserved shout to Ander Herrera's incredibly annoying display. He was that good. He has always been, just not in the defensive side of the game.
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Moyes had commented yesterday before his game that now people might see that it was not all and only down to him.Arguably the problem with Manchester United over the past three years has been either they have given more time than necessary to be ruthless and then sack the manager in a late panic.

If they went with Moyes,they should have let him have a proper transfer window and seen him for 6 months.Especially Van Goal after overhauling the squad putting a system for it in place and getting 4th place then 5th place with an FA cup win should have been allowed to complete his 3yr course or if they were truly ruthless and clear they should have sacked Van Gaal when he was top of the table last season and got Klopp who fits all their dreams or pounced on Conte but media and fan pressure made them settle on Jose,not that he is bad by any means but he has certainly lost his mojo:

He no longer has the good fortune of having the number one squad domestically which is dominant over others and money to add what ever he needs which happened in his 1st chelsea stint and at interns soon as he face proper equal competition, his success rate decreased like at real madrid and then at chelsea for the second time and he has never built a team or squad from the base up and kept it well, he needs to change here to succeed and there maybe something wrong in the atmosphere of Manu too nowadays contributing.
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Frankly ridiculous how Rafael is there. "Lots" of other good options too, but for me this would be it:

1. Schmeichel, Giggs, Scholes, Keane, Best and Cantona have to be in. This means no Beckham, Charlton, Rooney, Neville, Ferdinand, Foulkes, Robson or Evra.

2. Missing the entire back four. Buchan can go in here, taking Law out of the equation. Vidic partners up with the scot. Valencia for the right, and for the left... shit. Maybe Evra and Cantona leaves the team?

3. Midfield. Let's use a 4-3-3. Moving on...

4. Attack. Ronaldo joins Best. Only missing a centre forward... Cantona could lend a hand, so could the already mentioned Law and Mark Hughes, but there are plenty of good options left. Solskjaer, Van Nistelrooy, and a few others. Solskjaer clearly wins in regard to honours with the club, and was a fan favourite.

Ronaldo Solskjaer Best
Giggs Keane Scholes
Evra Buchan Vidic Valencia
Schmeichel

For balance's sake Cantona had to leave. Or maybe a 3-4-3...

5. Evra out. Stam has to come in for the third spot.

6. The three from before remain. Valencia goes higher on the pitch, Giggs on the left.

7. Attack sees Cantona replace Solkjaer.

Ronaldo Cantona Best
Giggs Keane Scholes Valencia
Buchan Vidic Stam
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This could work... how about a 3-5-2?

8. Hum, not really... taking one of the forwards for somebody like... Park, Mata or even Anderson would be a step back.

9. Final lineup. Cantona changes the club and the fans in ways Evra never did. For that, it's worth the risk of having a very attacking Giggs as all rounder on the left, and using a not so usual formation for United.

Ronaldo Cantona Best
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We've typically played 4-4-2 over the last 20 years, 4-3-3 only really started to happen about 8 years ago when we'd go away to Arsenal knowing we could soak up the pressure and rape them on the counter.

Neville has been our best right back, but Scholes is a gimmy so that rules him out. Same applies to Wes Brown. O'Shea was a decent utility man but often played LB I believe, plus is Irish. Rafael was often all over the place and very reckless; Valencia often impresses at RB so can see why his name comes up.

The rest, can't really argue with. No Dutchman in there (van Nistelrooy or Van Der Sar). Heinze was good for a few years but Irwin was for many, but like Keane, is Irish.
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Yeah, I tried to stick to it but this way gives room to more options.

Neville was one of the biggest names left out, as for the dutch they both have better competition there.
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Yeah, I tried to stick to it but this way gives room to more options.

Neville was one of the biggest names left out, as for the dutch they both have better competition there.
Scholes is one of the greatest ever players to have played for the club, so I couldn't leave him out for Neville!

Ruud scored a lot of goals, but Solskjaer has been the only player we've had in this era that when a chance fell to him, I'd put everything I owned on him scoring.
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