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Old 19-11-2014, 20:47   #46
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Mates, it simple to me: If what CPU does to win a game or score a goal it's possible to do by a real player, it's not scripting to me.


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Old 19-11-2014, 20:50   #47
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Mates, it simple to me: If what CPU does to win a game or score a goal it's possible to do by a real player, it's not scripting to me.
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Old 19-11-2014, 21:00   #48
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I've played a lot on 2010. Now i'm trying it again on myclub.

I consider scripting to those "always succesfull" moves by taking advantage of code errors.

In offline games IMO, is how i said.
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Old 19-11-2014, 23:35   #49
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i play with barca on superstar setting and i have noticed that after ive been slugging and relentlesly grinding passes and through balls to finally score in the 67th minute away to levante with a hard fought goal i then relax a bit too much at kick off for them to play 2 passes and one through ball out to the right and with some bad timingby mydefence i would concede straight away, but on the other hand if i am fully alert and learn my lesson and not hold r1 and x then switch with l1 that makes the com on superstar sometimes especially when their tales are up play through you easily so if i sit back and quick posistion my players and combine O with the right X then i can win the ball back and then it can set me up to eventually get a killer second but it all to do with how much and quick your closing down cutting off the space in front of the passer and the determined posistion of your back four when intercepting attacks and how you go about combining the two depends on the coms attitude playing it along the back on one twos down the wing or directly through your centre every com situation when attacking you is differant and also depends on the score the ground and say in the chanpions league a team wasnt even attacking as a 0-0 draw would put them through but i managed to ping a munir strike in before halftime and then they went fir the jugular
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Old 20-11-2014, 03:40   #50
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Old 20-11-2014, 10:01   #51
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Old 21-11-2014, 01:14   #52
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I like the change of topic. This seems to have generated a lot of discussion. I'm excited to learn more about the tactical end of things, both for PES/FIFA and real life. What irks me most of all though, is when the game literally overrides what you're doing with the controller for the sake of some animation (e.g., the player doing the "I'm going to hop around like I'm ready for a counter" when you're desperately trying to get him to sprint toward the opposition goal).

I made a video comp of some examples from one match. I couldn't figure out how to record controller input, but I think you'll see what I mean. See description for specifics.
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Old 21-11-2014, 10:01   #53
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What irks me most of all though, is when the game literally overrides what you're doing
Was saying the other day to someone else, that this is the only genre of videogame that does this. You don't play a shooter, press the shoot button and it decides to throw a grenade instead. You don't play a racing game, try to turn left and it decides to go right.
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Old 21-11-2014, 15:43   #54
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I wonder why only so few notice the scripting/handicapping.
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Old 21-11-2014, 19:48   #55
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I wonder why only so few notice the scripting/handicapping.
As Ali stated, scripting (which is the same as the game's programming) is poor and a lot of PE players have just learned to live with it.

PES has driven down the standards for a lot of fans. Some leave whilst some stay and just ....well suck it up.

Then there are others who try to defend Konami's shitty work and proclaim that the poor programming of the game's AI or "scripting" ..does not exits.

Then there is Sabatasso who also have to add Fifa into the mix. Fifa's programming is perfect. The game does not suffer from sluggish game play, zombie defenders, poor animations, lags ...and most of all problems finding anyone else online playing PES of any kind.

Remember, there is a reason why Fifa is and has been the number 1 game in the world....this

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Old 21-11-2014, 19:58   #56
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I quit fifa this year because the game will alter your ability just at the time it may result in a goal or stopping a goal (nevermind the cpu increasing ability). Passing suddenly becomes shit when you get into the box even though was fine before that point / through balls slow down - then suddenly pick up speed so it can travel to the keeper to scoop up / keeper and defender clears will magically sail to the dmf over and over like it is on a video loop / my defenders would suddenly not close the gap when I am ahead in goals / Tackle the ball away from the CPU - it magically travels to another player, and even better when they tackle it away from me it becomes a pass to another CPU player. All these items and more made FIFA15 an absolute mess. FIFA programming is nothing near perfect or even passable as a game worth purchasing for $60
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Old 21-11-2014, 22:25   #57
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I quit fifa this year because the game will alter your ability just at the time it may result in a goal or stopping a goal (nevermind the cpu increasing ability). Passing suddenly becomes shit when you get into the box even though was fine before that point / through balls slow down - then suddenly pick up speed so it can travel to the keeper to scoop up / keeper and defender clears will magically sail to the dmf over and over like it is on a video loop / my defenders would suddenly not close the gap when I am ahead in goals / Tackle the ball away from the CPU - it magically travels to another player, and even better when they tackle it away from me it becomes a pass to another CPU player. All these items and more made FIFA15 an absolute mess. FIFA programming is nothing near perfect or even passable as a game worth purchasing for $60

You are shitting me ...right?

Passing in the box???? Do you mean passing out of your defense or passing in the opponents box?
Either way ...I usually clear my box with a huge kick up-field.
...and shoot when in my opponents' box. Why are you passing in the box?

Next ..thru balls are pressure sensitive. So Fifa does not play like PES.
Tap the thru pass for a slow ball. If you choose a long thru ball. Lob it in the air ...instead of the ground.

Now....if every time your opponents clear the ball ...you receive it, wouldn't that be a bit unfair?

I have scored many goals from clearance .....for player who are trying to find a counter attacking player ....instead of hoofing the ball up-field.

Fifa is a great game....well maybe I am exaggerating a bit. But compared to PES...it is the best.

I fell soooo sorry for the few remaining PES players.

Next gen my ass. PES plays better on Xbox 360 and PS3 than their successors. I wonder why?
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Old 22-11-2014, 00:34   #60
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Was saying the other day to someone else, that this is the only genre of videogame that does this. You don't play a shooter, press the shoot button and it decides to throw a grenade instead. You don't play a racing game, try to turn left and it decides to go right.
Exactly. It makes no sense. I'm not a programmer (yet), but it would seem that overriding the player's choices would require more coding and hence cost than not. No one likes it. Every one is pissed off about it, and yet that's exactly what they pour their money into.

I hope this is what can be modified. It doesn't look like anyone has posted any mods for either game except for faces, balls, kits, etc. In other words, embroidering the towels on the Titanic. Hopefully something will come along.

I ran through the training exercises, so at least I'm not always caught totally threadbare on defense. It's made it more fun, but the override thing is still a big turd in my cereal.
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