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Old 02-04-2015, 16:05   #16
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Those SSD's are a long long way off for the likes of you and me my friend, but the price of SSD's are dropping all the time. A 256GB SSD would set you back less than €100 now where as the same size unit was over €250 a little over a year ago.

Answer me this...

Is there any kind of 2nd hand online selling site that covers your area that you are aware of? I'm telling you now there's a belter of a PC out there waiting for you if you start looking for other options other than the high street shops?

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Old 02-04-2015, 16:10   #17
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I don't know of any said website, can you recommend one?
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Old 02-04-2015, 16:21   #19
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Old 02-04-2015, 17:42   #20
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Leave it with me and I'll have a snoop around the net at some stage in the next few days.
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Old 02-04-2015, 18:36   #21
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http://www.gumtree.com/p/desktop-wor...sd-/1107950626

http://www.gumtree.com/p/desktop-wor...ard/1107203023


http://www.gumtree.com/p/desktop-wor...op-/1105206113


Check them out, the last one is probs the best buy. But in general these are a completely different animal to what you'll get on the high street. You could offer €550 and maybe settle on €600.
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Old 02-04-2015, 22:47   #22
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Hmm if I was to buy 2nd hand I think I'd go the eBay route.

How about these? (obviously not all of them are 2nd hand so to speak)

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ULTRA-FAST...item2c79fba63f (No OS included though)

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ULTRA-FAST...item1c5085b492

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ULTRA-FAST...item1c3e122cb3

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lenovo-H53...item541c6da2a7
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They're terrible.
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haha, gumtree it is then.
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Hehe

It's up to yourself mate, but I personally would prefer to see something working in front of my face before I'd get it shipped across seas. My friend had a very bad experience with a PC, the GPU was after tearing away from the PCI slot and the after market CPU cooler was bent off in transport.

You might not know it yet but those PC's I linked you are built using high end components that will stand to you both value and quality wise.

Sweey might offer his 2 cents on what I'm saying.
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I think the bigger question is this: TH - are you 100% certain that you do not want to game on the machine in the future? This is a key question and you have to be confident in your answer.

If there is no gaming interest, the GPU and PSU requirements are immediately lower. There's also limited immediate need for 16GB RAM but be sure to buy a machine that can take 16GB if you need to add an additional 8GB further down the line. Most of the money needs to be focused on the i5 processor you need.

An SSD will make boot times and software loading times faster but, without looking into specific software behaviours, I'm unconvinced it will bring any benefit whatsoever when recording. Your ideal scenario is an SSD that holds the system and software and a separate internal SATA HDD to record to so that one drive is reading sounds from the library and another being written to. Reading and writing to the same drive at the same time isn't the world's most brilliant idea if you can help it. Not crippling, just not ideal. If you find a system with one drive and it ticks all of the other boxes, go for it. I'm just giving the ideal scenario here - and that ideal scenario has 16GB RAM, a hyperthreaded overclocked core i7, an expensive sound card etc. and is used with multiple VSTs at once with giant sound libraries loaded into memory.

EDIT: One final bit of advice....if you go for an AMD processor make sure it is the equivalent of an Intel Core i5. A lot of the ones linked to in this thread are clearly inferior to an i5.
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No gaming whatsoever, this will be soley used for music production. Let's be honest, are we talking more than £500/600?
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For a new i7 machine with 16GB and an SSD you're going to come up short if you decide to buy new and the ideal i5 you should be looking at it the 4670k if it's an option.
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No gaming whatsoever, this will be soley used for music production. Let's be honest, are we talking more than £500/600?
For an i5 with 8GB RAM, absolutely not. I disagree with @Dundon's about the 4670k - you need a decent i5 but it doesn't have to be the top processor in the family.

The one you mentioned in the Shoutbox the other day - it had an i5 with 8GB RAM. The main issue may have been the PSU but you should be able to find an alternative with a better PSU - 350-400W should be perfectly fine.

I suspect you'll end up in the £400-500 range most likely. Try to broaden your search to Google as a whole and find products from there, bypassing typical high street retailers like PC World if possible. I know this has been a bit painful so far but you aren't miles away from a final decision now and it ought to end well.
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TH: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ankermann-PC...ds=Core+i7+8GB

They have a quad-core i7 processor (4790), 4 or 8GB RAM, come in Windows 7, 8.1 or with no OS (the 8.1 option is £100 more expensive than the equivalent no OS option), onboard graphics or a GT610 neither of which are for gaming and under £600 unless you go for the Windows 8.1, 8GB RAM, GT610 version. I don't see any need for you to require a dedicated graphics card.

Yes the PSU is only up to 400W but the stock Core i7 4790 uses around 120W and the rest of the machine won't use a lot given the lack of a powerful GPU so that shouldn't be an issue. Plus the PSU is made by BeQuiet!.

Now I'm not saying go and buy this and @Dundon's may have some comments but it gives you an idea of what you can find if you look via Google.

You are getting into second-hand MacBook territory now though - is that an avenue you would consider? See, I'm fair to Apple on the rare occasions they genuinely deserve it.
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