USA / (USA vs. Ghana) - Page 2

Trumbot · 22-06-2006, 22:13

One thing you'll never see the US do: feign injuries and waste excessive amounts of time. Something the rest of the world could stand to work on.

**Bish** · 22-06-2006, 22:17

I've seen DeMarcus Beasley dive/fake injury before but thats what happens when you play for PSV/in europe.

murc · 22-06-2006, 22:25

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Originally Posted by Trumbot

One thing you'll never see the US do: feign injuries and waste excessive amounts of time.

Reason being, we don't know how. Heres an analogy:

USA is to Football/Soccer as The Amish are to Technology... Not bashing the Amish, just trying to keep this obvious.

Seeing as how diving and writhing is a part of the game in most regions (and with every nation in the WC), we are WAY behind in that, and many other aspects of the game.

Trumbot · 22-06-2006, 22:33

Agreed, but Beasley is also quite a fragile little man.

I'm proud that we're "behind" on diving! It's the worst part of this game!

Goodness I wish there was some sort of diving crackdown. Thankfully that red card on Perez for Mexico happened, so somebody actually got punished for it once.
But seriously FIFA, could we fine players or teams? Use replays, award cards postgame, hand out suspensions, etc. We have enough cameras to see all angles and such, let's get it under control! I've seen so many dives this cup and it drives me nuts.

chilipeppers · 23-06-2006, 01:33

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Originally Posted by wangjaz

hahahaha

the over hyped piece of crap called the US team finally got what it deserved

wait at least 12 years then maybe u might come up with a descent team that won't just choke like this year's team did.

This World Cup was a statement about the coaching in the US, not the players, had a good coach (European probably) been put in charge of the US, the US could have come out on top of this group, at a minimum, second.

The first thing the US team needs to do is fire Arena and get a real coach in there, the reason the US got the second goal scored on them is because bocenegra decided to not clear the ball and chanced a 50-50 ball outside his box, he lost the 50-50 and a goal was scored because of it. Here's some numbers to think about under Arena's World Cup career:
2 wins in 8 games,
1 shot on goal by McBride in the 3 2006 games as a striker that played 256 minutes
75 minutes played by Eddie Johnson, who lead the team in qualifying goals and coming into the world cup scored an average of more the 1 goal per 2 games.

Some other questions I have about his choices of personel include Eddie Lewis as a outside back (he plays midfield for a D2 English side), Ben Olsen was selected even though the US is loaded with DMF that are much better than him, and Josh Wolff who has never done anything on an international level. Why were Spector, Twellman, and anyone else with European experience not selected? I realize that people probably think I am an idiot but this is my opinion, thrash me if you want, the US needs to expand its coaching and infrastructure to be successful on this stage.

Read this page and briefly read the notes on the national team, this guy hit it right on the head. http://www.ussoccerplayers.com/blog/..._01_index.html
more us team stuff near bottom

Socrballr9 · 23-06-2006, 02:36

chilipeppers, thanks for that link. It was a good read. I agree with what you're saying. I might get slated for saying this but I don't care...Americans feel the need to do it their own way even if doing it another way is proven to work.

Our MLS league structure is different from the rest of the world. We have two conferences and the top 4 teams from each conference of 6 teams advance to the playoffs, which inevitably takes away from the importance of each league game. Why not just combine both conferences into one league table and be like the rest of the world? Because the other American sports are set up with conferences etc.

And I bet this same mentality of "we do it our way or the highway" applies to the national team. I'd beg for someone like Guus Hiddink to bring his experience and knowledge to the US National Team.

Oh, and bringing old washed up Europeans to play in the MLS does not mean anything. They probably just see it as a summer camp.

EDIT: I should say though that Bruce Arena has done a lot for the US Team. We are definitely better now than we were in 1998, but it's time for him to move on.

wangjaz · 23-06-2006, 06:09

the coach was a scared piece of crap. he didn't have no balls, so he just hung back with only 1 forward, and all he does is whine about the officiating after the game

proud not to dive? riiiiight. the diving of the players from the opposition was the MAIN reason US lost, right? be proud in all the loseing.

and what happened to US's golden boy, Donavon? he chocked and played like a scared dog with his tails behind his legs. U see that one replay where he got the ball at the right of the box, but instead of going for the goal, he just passes back just so his teammate can whiff on da ball?
overhyped like the rest of the players.

US can try to do whatever they can, but they should just realize they have over 10 years to go at least b4 they'll catch up to the rest of the world

btw, did u also hear how US's future golden boy, Freddy Adu is thinking about playing for ghana in the next WC?
even he probably doesn't want to play for a loseing team.

murc · 23-06-2006, 06:28

Wangjaz, hate all you want. The majority of this country likes to blame ALL officiating in ALL of the sports if the teams we like lose. It's never the players' faults. Our excuses are garbage.

And like you said, when we have a chance to actually prove a point to the world, we wilted and died like Baggio.

And to be honest, I really take a particular discomfort in our blatant, "we're gonna own the world at their own game" attitude. We didn't even win the World Baseball Classic that WE hosted... smoked even. We need a chill pill, and a reality check.

Sometimes, it makes me wanna move. :P

ateamga · 23-06-2006, 07:16

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Originally Posted by wangjaz

the coach was a scared piece of crap. he didn't have no balls, so he just hung back with only 1 forward, and all he does is whine about the officiating after the game

proud not to dive? riiiiight. the diving of the players from the opposition was the MAIN reason US lost, right? be proud in all the loseing.

and what happened to US's golden boy, Donavon? he chocked and played like a scared dog with his tails behind his legs. U see that one replay where he got the ball at the right of the box, but instead of going for the goal, he just passes back just so his teammate can whiff on da ball?
overhyped like the rest of the players.

US can try to do whatever they can, but they should just realize they have over 10 years to go at least b4 they'll catch up to the rest of the world

btw, did u also hear how US's future golden boy, Freddy Adu is thinking about playing for ghana in the next WC?
even he probably doesn't want to play for a loseing team.

No I saw Freddy on PTI:Pardon The Interruption( A popular American sports analyst show) and Freddy Adu said without hesitation, 'I am leaving the MLS for Europe'.

Nturtle · 23-06-2006, 09:27

Bad luck USA...the referee Merk is truly bad...spoiled our Australia Brazil game as well...29 fouls to 9!!! Etc etc...

Stella Artois · 23-06-2006, 10:07

Markus Merk has been the worst official at the tournament. Still you didn\'t turn up when you needed to.

bogeyexpress · 23-06-2006, 10:31

I agree the referee was terrible, but the USMNT had its chances to win this game. McBride's header off the post was the best chance we had to tie it at 2-2 and push on for the victory. Unfortunately, Kingson had the post on his side and the US team was thwarted, yet again.

I was very displeased with the play of Beasley and Donovan. Both are attacking players and neither took on anyone in this World Cup, very disappointing. Convey was a disappointment as well. He looked brilliant in the friendlies, but that's why they are friendlies I guess.

On the bright side, I thought Eddie Lewis played hard as did Dempsey.

Keller was Keller, he was solid. He didn't make alot of great saves as we are accustomed to, the US defense gave him very little help. He will be a big missing piece in the next WC Squad.

Barry · 23-06-2006, 10:35

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Originally Posted by Trumbot

Agreed, but Beasley is also quite a fragile little man.

I'm proud that we're "behind" on diving! It's the worst part of this game!

Goodness I wish there was some sort of diving crackdown. Thankfully that red card on Perez for Mexico happened, so somebody actually got punished for it once.
But seriously FIFA, could we fine players or teams? Use replays, award cards postgame, hand out suspensions, etc. We have enough cameras to see all angles and such, let's get it under control! I've seen so many dives this cup and it drives me nuts.

As long as Blatter is in control, and not someone who actually knows we live in the 21st century those idea's will never ever come to execution.

sinhz · 23-06-2006, 21:54

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Originally Posted by sennai

Ghana has been the most pleasant surprise in the tournament this far, huge amount of credit to them. Their playing have impressed imensly, especially they way in which their star players (Essien, Muntari, Appiah and Gyan) are playing for the team instead of themselves, usually a problem for African nations in the WC. I've cheerished every second of Ghana's participation in this tournament, and think they deserved a better fate against the Italians(U.S did too).
Ghana were definetly worthy winners today, played better in all parts of the field. Shame about Essien's yellow as he will miss the game against Brazil, but with Muntari and Gyan back; prepare for a real cracker!

That is a big blow for Ghana, believe me Essien is the most important player there.

sinhz · 23-06-2006, 21:57

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Originally Posted by ateamga

No I saw Freddy on PTI:Pardon The Interruption( A popular American sports analyst show) and Freddy Adu said without hesitation, 'I am leaving the MLS for Europe'.

His finally using his head, Even if he wants to play for the US he needs the experience you can only get in Europe, As they take soccer As American take Baseball, Football, Basketball.

(Big Shame Szetela didn't go to Everton when he had the chance)