Please bring back the "Trick Stick"

[Jamal99]

As requested by fans from this forum and elsewhere could you please remove the skills on the left analogue/D pad and reinstate the skills back to the right analogue i.e Roulette (Marseille turn), Flick up.

Me and many others are very disappointed Konami decided to remove them in PES09 and replace it with manual passing please reinstate or give us the option to configure them back to the right analogue.

Kindest regards.

[What Lad]

Originally Posted by Jamal99

As requested by fans from this forum and elsewhere could you please remove the skills on the left analogue/D pad and reinstate the skills back to the right analogue i.e Roulette (Marseille turn), Flick up.

Me and many others are very disappointed Konami decided to remove them in PES09 and replace it with manual passing please reinstate or give us the option to configure them back to the right analogue.

Kindest regards.

the manual pass is essential for gameplay, even though it was broken in 2010. but i agree trick stick also needs to come back, it can coexist with manual pass.

i hate the way they have made it so only certain players can accomplish skills as well. for example the little dink you get from doing down then up on the stick. this skill is very rarely useful as it requires your opponent to have slid right in front of you, with enough distance for you to still get a flick in. when this is performed right, it looks brilliant and really makes you feel smug, which is exactly the purpose of skills!! but its rare to be able to pull this trick off as the circumstances where its useful rarely come about, meaning when you do see it, its quite amusing. but when its narrowed down to only a few very skilled players, you'll pretty much never see this ability put to any use.

it's important for konami to keep the balance between simulation and fun. yes its more realistic to make only very skilled players perform certain tricks, but if tricks have a gameplay function and most players can't perform this function, you are limiting the gameplayers ability to express themselves, which is the entire point of playing football simulations.

[Jamal99]

Originally Posted by What Lad

the manual pass is essential for gameplay, even though it was broken in 2010. but i agree trick stick also needs to come back, it can coexist with manual pass.

i hate the way they have made it so only certain players can accomplish skills as well. for example the little dink you get from doing down then up on the stick. this skill is very rarely useful as it requires your opponent to have slid right in front of you, with enough distance for you to still get a flick in. when this is performed right, it looks brilliant and really makes you feel smug, which is exactly the purpose of skills!! but its rare to be able to pull this trick off as the circumstances where its useful rarely come about, meaning when you do see it, its quite amusing. but when its narrowed down to only a few very skilled players, you'll pretty much never see this ability put to any use.

it's important for konami to keep the balance between simulation and fun. yes its more realistic to make only very skilled players perform certain tricks, but if tricks have a gameplay function and most players can't perform this function, you are limiting the gameplayers ability to express themselves, which is the entire point of playing football simulations.

Absolutely I don't like how certain players can only do the roulette (Marseille turn) I think any professional footballer should be able to pull it off, during a match is another question though......

I loved how in the old PES the less skillful players when trying to do the roulette would not execute it correctly.

I personally have no interest in manual passing on the right analogue but it's only fair for the people who use it Konami has it intact.
I think it fairly simple to have both co exist by simply configuring the manual passing to be activated only when pressing R2.

Here is a video which I found on youtube which demonstrates the importance of tricks I hear you on the flick when executed properly it really is fulfilling.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfomSilKhxs

[ykl]

I'm totally agree with you...even the right stick manual pass is good, but the left stick really make mad.

Especially when my player in front of the opposition goal area, when i would like to make passing or change direction in rush..certainly the player make 360 degree movement. Then i miss the golden opportunity to score or cross the ball. It really bad changes in pes2009...sorry for poor english.

[Iniesta]

I hate the manual pass, never even use it. I suppose I'm just not very good at weighting the passes in the game. The current system for dummies, stepovers, pirouetted etc is flawed. During a match between Spain and England, I received the ball with David Silva and during his first touch he managed a pirouette. I did not mean to do that, regardless of the fact it beat two defenders. My opinion is to bring back the trickstick, AND still use the manual pass. Maybe hold a shoulder button to trigger the manual pass?

[shadowfish]

I disagree with a lot of this. I think the manual pass should be kept on the right stick, and on the DPad it has been very easy to use, especially when performing a flip flap for example. The manual pass is a very important part of the game, most of the time, a player will play a through ball to the completely wrong person, manual passes help you bypass this, and it also makes a cool aprty trick when you pay a lofted manual through ball straight across the defence, split them and score.

I think that the skills should stay on the DPad, or they should provide an option for skills to only be performed whilst holding L2 for example [so it won't go into R2 run mode, and L2 only assigns pressure and tactics]

[Iniesta]

Originally Posted by shadowfish

I disagree with a lot of this. I think the manual pass should be kept on the right stick, and on the DPad it has been very easy to use, especially when performing a flip flap for example. The manual pass is a very important part of the game, most of the time, a player will play a through ball to the completely wrong person, manual passes help you bypass this, and it also makes a cool aprty trick when you pay a lofted manual through ball straight across the defence, split them and score.

I think that the skills should stay on the DPad, or they should provide an option for skills to only be performed whilst holding L2 for example [so it won't go into R2 run mode, and L2 only assigns pressure and tactics]

Not completely agreed with your ideas. I don't agree with keeping the trick stick on the D Pad, I say make it on the same stick as the manual pass BUT hold down a shoulder button to trigger the trick stick. I feel it would be much less complicated, since I have been accustomed to playing with the trick stick.

[shadowfish]

Originally Posted by Iniesta

Not completely agreed with your ideas. I don't agree with keeping the trick stick on the D Pad, I say make it on the same stick as the manual pass BUT hold down a shoulder button to trigger the trick stick. I feel it would be much less complicated, since I have been accustomed to playing with the trick stick.

This is very viable, I was going to mention it and forgot!! Could be hasslesome though, especially forgetting to hold R2 and performing a pass! But there's no pleasing everyone, ever, and it'll be another trick we'll have to learn, and after all, we're good PES players right? Easy then.

[Iniesta]

Originally Posted by shadowfish

This is very viable, I was going to mention it and forgot!! Could be hasslesome though, especially forgetting to hold R2 and performing a pass! But there's no pleasing everyone, ever, and it'll be another trick we'll have to learn, and after all, we're good PES players right? Easy then.

It was a challenge learning to use the manual pass for me, so I think this would be considerably easier. Easier then the manual pass, atleast.