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***Joel*** · 03-07-2012, 15:17

DDP stands, Orton jumps. They both have different execution styles.

And would you really like DDP to be dressed as a clown on his return?

**Sho** · 03-07-2012, 15:20

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Also allowed everyone to see the RKO for what it is - a really shit Diamond Cutter.[/QUOTE]
Yeah.

**BarnDoor** · 03-07-2012, 15:23

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Originally Posted by Joel

DDP stands, Orton jumps. They both have different execution styles.

And would you really like DDP to be dressed as a clown on his return?

Obviously the technique is different (i.e. worse) but it's the move most obviously similar. The basic point is, the diamond cutter is a much better impact move, and therefore a more effective finisher.

I don't see why not, given that it's just a two-minute cameo. I think it would have been more effective, and an ode to the famous La Parka moment. Again, the surprise element is there. When that happened on Nitro, the place went nuts. Different time and audience fine, but the impact would have been similar. It doesn't make sense him coming out after the match and just giving him the diamond cutter.

On another note - was I the only one who wanted evil Doink music?

***Joel*** · 03-07-2012, 15:31

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Originally Posted by BarnDoor

Obviously the technique is different (i.e. worse) but it's the move most obviously similar. The basic point is, the diamond cutter is a much better impact move, and therefore a more effective finisher.

The Diamond Cutter may look more impactful, but the RKO has been sold as a move that can happen out of no where. The Diamond Cutter takes longer to execute so it wouldn't make sense for Orton trying to replicate it frame by frame.

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I don't see why not, given that it's just a two-minute cameo. I think it would have been more effective, and an ode to the famous La Parka moment. Again, the surprise element is there. When that happened on Nitro, the place went nuts. Different time and audience fine, but the impact would have been similar. It doesn't make sense him coming out after the match and just giving him the diamond cutter.

Not sure if it would have worked with Doink though, as he wears make up and not a mask. I guess maybe we still wouldn't know it was DDP though. I dunno.

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On another note - was I the only one who wanted evil Doink music?

No, no. Face Doink was fine, thank you very much.

**BarnDoor** · 03-07-2012, 15:35

A) The Diamond Cutter, along with the DDT, is one of the most 'out-of-nowhere' move I can think of. In many matches it came out of nowhere. Not sure how you can get the idea that it was more telegraphed. Has your mind been that saturated by this current bullshit? Bear in mind also Orton often does that shit thing where he gets on all fours and lets you know he's planning on doing it.

B) They could have used a clown mask rather than make-up on this occasion.

C) Evil Doink was clearly better. The way the music went from nice to evil was the only thing good about him.

***Joel*** · 03-07-2012, 15:49

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A) The Diamond Cutter, along with the DDT, is one of the most 'out-of-nowhere' move I can think of. In many matches it came out of nowhere. Not sure how you can get the idea that it was more telegraphed. Has your mind been that saturated by this current bullshit? Bear in mind also Orton often does that shit thing where he gets on all fours and lets you know he's planning on doing it.

DDP always has that moment where he holds your head for a second or two. Rarely does he execute the Diamond Cutter in one motion. The RKO is done in one go. I never said it was worse or better. Just slightly different.

My mind hasn't been saturated by the current product. I just don't have any need to go out of my way to bash it as yourself and Bish do.

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B) They could have used a clown mask rather than make-up on this occasion.

Ok.

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C) Evil Doink was clearly better. The way the music went from nice to evil was the only thing good about him.

I was scared of clowns when I was a kid, so used to leave the room when Doink wrestled. It was worse when he was heel, hence my stance.

Bish · 03-07-2012, 16:32

Evil Doink (Matt Borne) was class. Much more interesting to watch, plus he could wrestle. Once he left and Doink turned face, it was just a pointless gimmick.

**BarnDoor** · 03-07-2012, 18:18

Joel I will end the conversation by just saying the RKO is shit. I don't remember any diamond cutters turning out like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSsvjcYET18

***Joel*** · 03-07-2012, 18:26

Would you say the modified Diamond Cutter to Guerrero is the best one ever?

**Haribo** · 12-07-2012, 21:54

I saw a lot of comments about Monday's Raw being the "worst ever", and as usual I thought they were just going overboard. But having seen it, I can confirm it is worse than anything WCW did in 2000.

***Joel*** · 12-07-2012, 22:13

It was terrible. Writers were definitely high when booking that "show".

***Hunter*** · 13-07-2012, 19:22

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Originally Posted by Joel

DDP always has that moment where he holds your head for a second or two. Rarely does he execute the Diamond Cutter in one motion. The RKO is done in one go. I never said it was worse or better. Just slightly different.

My mind hasn't been saturated by the current product. I just don't have any need to go out of my way to bash it as yourself and Bish do.

Agreed.

I also don't mind the extra-elevation at times, the hang time can look quite cool in moments.

Finished watching Raw this morning. I personally didn't think it was "the worst ever", that to me is ridiculous. I definitely enjoyed the opening 20 minutes with the AJ/CM Punk/Daniel Bryan scenario, and there was even a decent match or two during the night. Hardly "worst ever", or even close to be honest.

No one else on here into the AJ storyline then?

**Michu** · 13-07-2012, 19:43

I did enjoy the AJ storyline when Kane was involved, but now I've lost interest as it meanders on. I've noticed the fans are getting slightly a bored with the mic time, as I have. Not really feeling the buzz.

I do wonder how much mileage AJ realistically has as wrestler in her own right after this storyline ends.

Also, unquestionably the Diamond Cutter is a better move than the RKO. The RKO just looks ... daft. The execution of the Diamond Cutter is so much better than a daft one handed RKO. I am old and I have spoken. Children behave.

Bish · 13-07-2012, 19:58

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I did enjoy the AJ storyline when Kane was involved, but now I've lost interest as it meanders on. I've noticed the fans are getting slightly a bored with the mic time, as I have. Not really feeling the buzz.

I do wonder how much mileage AJ realistically has as wrestler in her own right after this storyline ends.

Also, unquestionably the Diamond Cutter is a better move than the RKO. The RKO just looks ... daft. The execution of the Diamond Cutter is so much better than a daft one handed RKO. I am old and I have spoken. Children behave.

Testify. RKO only looks good as a catching move, as in an opponent jumping from the top rope and driving him down.

Also, anyone seen the new shit list WWE.com have going? The 50 best Raw matches ever. Guess who's at number 1? Ahead of Perfect-Flair, Bret-123 Kid, oh of course.

**Sho** · 13-07-2012, 23:05

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It was terrible. Writers were definitely high when booking that "show".

Coułdnt agree more.