First impressions (better/worse/same)

[ezio]

Originally Posted by pes89

You will not be disappointed!!!!

This is easily the best looking football game i've ever seen and the best playing aswell. The previous demos and even games have just felt like the PES from the year before, this one actually feels like a combination of the best of PES and FIFA and a different game, it is a really great game imo

I agree with this. I have not been a fan of the past couple games but I am loving the demo especially once you get used to the passing.

[muzza798]

10 games in and I'm struggling to love this game atall. At first I loved it but over time my annoyances are becoming gamebreaking.

- inability to sturn quickly

Countless times I've seen a hole in the defence I can't dribble through or I run out of play because the player doesn't react quick enough
When I'm getting closed down in a tight space its near impossible to turn out of the way and is fucking frustarting. Its the no1 thing is hate about fifa! Thank you 360 dribbling for completely ruining turning for me.

- dribbling

When in full sprint the annimation is bloody ropey. When I'm belting down the wing with ribery and I turn a couple of degrees he stutters and either slows himself down with terrible awkwardness regarding annimation or he carries on but the slight turn looks juddery. Either way completely fucks up my run.

- shooting

I've scored screamers and a few other good goals but the ball physics are fucking brain cripplingly annoying for me. Why the hell does it have to be so floaty. Yeah 20% of the time the ball flies in like a bullet but the rest of the time its like a £1 ball on a windy beach and is so unrealistic I can't bare to think about it. All I can think of is the shooting on pes 6 and how the ball was so realistic and it just pisses me off.

- Refs

A fucking outrage. They never play me advantage and give free kicks when I've barely touch him

- goalkeepers

I don't mind them but there is defo pes 10 annimation oin there and the ball bounces off them like a concrete wall fss.

- inability to beat you man

Its so hard to just run past someone it almost defeats the point of playing football. Dani alves for example has the) slot on fucking lock down and no matter if I stick usain bolt on the left with jet propelled boots he won't get past him.

-getting brushed off the ball

Self explanatory
Just some of the things annoying me.
I'm sure it'l get better. Don't get me wrong, there are some great things in the game but there are things I just hate.

I'm trying to work out the best speed setting:camera angle aswell.
I absolutely hate the slowness atm (its just not pes) so I'm usually going with +2 and normal cam but it could still be better. I just don't know

[ledzepp]

Well congratulations KONAMI, you have re-invented the game of football just like in the old days. Unfortunantly after 3 years or so of not playing pro evo but just bying it i have lost the touch and mojo to invest in mastering the new pro evo. I will be going for that other konami game that comes out some days later. Still hats off , missions accomplished.

[pategato]

Demo is awesome.

For the last 3 years I've been a FIFA player due to PES being shit.

But PES 2011 is different, this game is a joy to play, excellent graphics, sounds, the passing is sublime, I can defend in a PES game again.

The best description I have for you guys is:

PES 2011 is like PES 5 in HD.

[ionosphere]

Floaty soft shooting has disappointed me. I could see this from the videos in the last few weeks but now I've played the 360 and PC version my worries are confirmed .

I don't want ping pong arcade game on every shot or pass but I can't stand these ryan giggs half hearted right foot shots. Also it doesn't seem responsive enough in front of goal. I like the feeling of driving a shot low and mix it up a bit, swerving outside of the foot high shots. Not saying I want some fast feel with a lampard type drive everytime.

same old awkward looking direction animations and clunky movement

I'm not normally bothered by sounds and graphics but the sounds and crowd noise are like they'd forgotten the sound, had an hour left to generate some crowd noises, looped them and just stuck em in. When you score I don't sense any uplift or excitement. It really is a dull static atmosphere. The lighting and stadium looks are quite basic too.

I'd love the control and animation of FIFA
the spontaneity and depth of PES and shooting of the old games
pitch/nets layout of PES
high quality sounds and varying crowd noises
and higher dynamic lighting SSAO and some other effects

4 years on this gen I can't see why this hasn't happened

Anyway, I'll mostly likely just boot up PES 1-6 on my PS2 or PC instead of buying this or FIFA.

[Redmadlad]

If im being a blunt i haven't noticed a huge difference in either graphics or sound.

There is however, a huge change in speed, passing, shooting and general game play. It is now impossible to run through a team with Messi or Ribery or anyone, solo goals will now be a rare delight, as they should be.

Team goals, quick sharp passing and a slicing through ball are now the orders of the day for PES. I am made up with the demo and i am looking forward to the full game, don't get me wrong but i can't help but feel PES has lost a little of its individuality with this one.

PES has always been the arcade style Football sim, with fun and enjoyment the main aim. Which is why i have stuck with PES all these years. FIFA has always been very dry, soul-less, consumer driven, churned out each year with a new coat of paint and very little genuine fun in the game, at least for me anyway, there has never been any real satisfaction with any goal scored in FIFA.

This year though, and maybe this is just me, but It seems like Konami were trying to mimic FIFA a little too much this year. I think we've reached the stage where the two games are becoming so close, that in a few years they'll just be the same game, the same product under different titles.

Still though, i enjoy the game, i just hope next year, Konami focus on getting back to the real roots of PES that made it such a winner, and focus less on creating the perfect Football sim.

[unclefredo]

Originally Posted by ionosphere

Floaty soft shooting has disappointed me. I could see this from the videos in the last few weeks but now I've played the 360 and PC version my worries are confirmed .

I don't want ping pong arcade game on every shot or pass but I can't stand these ryan giggs half hearted right foot shots. Also it doesn't seem responsive enough in front of goal. I like the feeling of driving a shot low and mix it up a bit, swerving outside of the foot high shots. Not saying I want some fast feel with a lampard type drive everytime.

same old awkward looking direction animations and clunky movement

I'm not normally bothered by sounds and graphics but the sounds and crowd noise are like they'd forgotten the sound, had an hour left to generate some crowd noises, looped them and just stuck em in. When you score I don't sense any uplift or excitement. It really is a dull static atmosphere. The lighting and stadium looks are quite basic too.

I'd love the control and animation of FIFA
the spontaneity and depth of PES and shooting of the old games
pitch/nets layout of PES
high quality sounds and varying crowd noises
and higher dynamic lighting SSAO and some other effects

4 years on this gen I can't see why this hasn't happened

Anyway, I'll mostly likely just boot up PES 1-6 on my PS2 or PC instead of buying this or FIFA.

Agree totally.

I'm very disappointed and won't be buying PES for the first time ever. I've stopped believing in the series now.

I initially thought this game looked and felt very good but yet again, it's crippled by the game engine. Why change the physics of the ball. The shots are ridiculous. Sometimes floating wildly high and wide, other times flying in.

Smoothness of the game and animations have improved. I personally dislike the pace, but I guess it's more 'realistic'. There are positives here - especially in the passing. I do like the freedom but do not for one minute tell me there is 360 degree movement for the players. Player AI is dreadful, which hinders the passing and kinda defeats the whole point of it all.

After about 10 games with a mate, we both got bored and ramped up PES6. By far a better game in terms of fun and challenge. I'm sorry, a next-gen successor should be considerably better than it's predecessor. Gameplay wise, I enjoy it more. Yes it's not more realistic, but it's actually fun to play.

I can't be alone in thinking this is another huge disappointment. I will buy FIFA on the strength of it's demo. It's far fom perfect, but it offers a very decent game and in my opinion better than PES.

I'm raging at how poor this next installment on but I'm hardly surprised. It's the same development team who fail to give the series the overhaul it deserves for the past 4 games. I know this is a PES forum, and I genuinely love the series, always have - but enough is enough for me. I refuse to believe I'm in the minority in this - I NEVER thought the series, especially after PES6, would come to this. It's nowhere near where the game should be now. I remember when every PES came out, I KNEW it was going to be brilliant - and it was. The same just isn't true anymore. I'm still gonna keep playing the demo, but I don't see me enjoying it anytime soon.

Does anyone else feel extremely let down by the demo (and lets be honest, this demo will reflect the final game in the majority)??

[StringerBell]

Originally Posted by pategato

Demo is awesome.

For the last 3 years I've been a FIFA player due to PES being shit.

But PES 2011 is different, this game is a joy to play, excellent graphics, sounds, the passing is sublime, I can defend in a PES game again.

The best description I have for you guys is:

PES 2011 is like PES 5 in HD.

What version are you getting Pate? UK, American? I'm leaning towards UK but I'm not sure...

[ThaReaper01]

When is the US Demo coming out?

[pategato]

Americano Stringer, I'm gonna make my own personal OF.

[pategato]

Originally Posted by ThaReaper01

When is the US Demo coming out?

Create an european account and download it from the euro ps store.

There's no date yet for the american demo.

[ThaReaper01]

Bullshit Konami. Absolute bullshit.

[FutebolArte]

man.. I can't believe the tactics R mapped to select now...

[skeet83]

I've played 3 games and found...... yes you guessed it 3 bugs.

1. on free kicks goal keeper sometimes runs through the side netting as if it isn't there and it looks like something outta spiderman.

2. Goalkeepers sometimes run to catch a long ball and land outside the area only to miraculously shoot backwards into the area without a handball being given.

3. When the ball is in the air and you repeatedly hit a button it sometimes stutters like lag, also if you run to intersect the ball and the animation glitches and it runs right passed you it stutters with lag.

Does anyone test these games or are the people making it like a factory doing their tiny bit and just passing it along down the line.

Don't get me wrong there's alot i like about the new demo (not the annoying video at the end of every game, gees just let me hit replay!)

overall, good improvements i like the passing system and the new power bar, I can't shoot for sh*t but it'll fun relearning.

[Kennethgreig36]

I think this is PES 6 with better graphics tho the much improved passing swung it for me. Yes the shooting is a bit hit and miss usualy ballooning way over tho i have hit a few cracking shot in the top corner and had some good shots from volleys on target. But importantly i get this new feeling with PES 2011 like i got with PES 3 and PES 5 where I have to get used to it. It just feels great when you hit a first time through ball to your striker who clinically strokes the ball home past the on rushing keeper.

Anyway I have made a PES video which shows the highlights of my experiences.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co490ImoVhU