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[fick]

Originally Posted by laughin man

It's people like you that has allowed the mass murder of countless innocent people in Iraq and Afghanistan and allowed the current laws that have been passed to come into effect without a fight. You think your so clever but your really just being played by the powers that be.

Proof?

Go fuck yourself.

I admit it It was all me, it's my fault.

What did you do though LM? Fuck all? then again, you haven't got the millions that 77 has, so there was little you could do.

Dan, dan, daaaaaaaaan!

[BarnDoor]

The two posts above Fick's - proof, if it were needed, that cunts tend to correlate towards one another.

Galloway is a self-righteous womb. One could just as easily post this:

[Ultimate777]

Originally Posted by BarnDoor

The two posts above Fick's - proof, if it were needed, that cunts tend to correlate towards one another.

Galloway is a self-righteous womb. One could just as easily post this:

The Taliban was a construct of the CIA and was armed by the CIA….Republican Congressman Dana Rohrabacher
It seemed like a great idea, back in the ’80s to– embolden– and train and equip– Taliban, mujahidin, jihadists against the Soviet Union, which had invaded Afghanistan. And with our help, and with the Pakistani support– this group– including, at that time, Bin Laden, defeated the Soviet Union. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Oct. 7th, 2009

“In the 1980s, the CIA provided some $5 billion in military aid for Islamic fundamentalist rebels fighting the Soviet occupation in Afghanistan, but scaled down operations after Moscow pulled out in 1989. However, Selig Harrison of the DC-based Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars recently told a conference in London that the CIA created the Taliban “monster” by providing some $3 billion for the ultra-fundamentalist militia in their 1994-6 drive to power.” Times of India, March 7, 2001

[laughin man]

Originally Posted by fick

I admit it It was all me, it's my fault.

What did you do though LM? Fuck all? then again, you haven't got the millions that 77 has, so there was little you could do.

Dan, dan, daaaaaaaaan!

I have passed on some of the knowledge I have received in the hope the people I effect will effect others, just like Jonno and Barndoor spreading their aids. One day when enough of people have spread the word the world will change for the better. You stay asleep though I won't hold it against you.

Originally Posted by BarnDoor

The two posts above Fick's - proof, if it were needed, that cunts tend to correlate towards one another.

Galloway is a self-righteous womb. One could just as easily post this:

So what exactly are you doing in this thread you don't seem to have any interest in what's being said one way or another. You can hang around though Jonno might get lonely without you holding his arse for him.

[Nifty1Pound50]

Is it a day-release trip to the internet cafe or something?

[BarnDoor]

Originally Posted by Ultimate777

The Taliban was a construct of the CIA and was armed by the CIA….Republican Congressman Dana Rohrabacher
It seemed like a great idea, back in the ’80s to– embolden– and train and equip– Taliban, mujahidin, jihadists against the Soviet Union, which had invaded Afghanistan. And with our help, and with the Pakistani support– this group– including, at that time, Bin Laden, defeated the Soviet Union. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Oct. 7th, 2009

“In the 1980s, the CIA provided some $5 billion in military aid for Islamic fundamentalist rebels fighting the Soviet occupation in Afghanistan, but scaled down operations after Moscow pulled out in 1989. However, Selig Harrison of the DC-based Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars recently told a conference in London that the CIA created the Taliban “monster” by providing some $3 billion for the ultra-fundamentalist militia in their 1994-6 drive to power.” Times of India, March 7, 2001

I am aware of all this. But I would ask this - you cite Selig Harrison's proposal, and he may be right, but there is nothing to affirm that his claim is factually correct. It's merely one argument. I'm sure others could counter his claims. Take this, for example:

http://pakistanmediawatch.com/2010/0...akistan-media/

Originally Posted by laughin man

So what exactly are you doing in this thread you don't seem to have any interest in what's being said one way or another. You can hang around though Jonno might get lonely without you holding his arse for him.

It's a great shame you've got Josey Wales as your avatar, since I love that film. But I assure you your beloved Clint would have very different political views than yourself.

[Ultimate777]

Originally Posted by BarnDoor

I am aware of all this. But I would ask this - you cite Selig Harrison's proposal, and he may be right, but there is nothing to affirm that his claim is factually correct. It's merely one argument. I'm sure others could counter his claims. Take this, for example:

http://pakistanmediawatch.com/2010/0...akistan-media/

Hilary Clinton - the secretary of the United states has gone on record to state the u.s funded them, what more evidence do you want? They are telling you themselves they created the problem and still you want to send me links that suggest it's a conspiracy theory?

Have you seen the NDAA act? If so do you believe it's a conspiracy that now it's a law for the military to detain U.S citizens without trial indefinitely mere conspiracy to you? They are going to have the army knocking on their doors for thought crimes and you think this is a joke?

This is what is so frustrating, everything is right in your face, but because your history textbook didn't tell you, it's got to be a conspiracy theory. Yes it's a conspiracy but a theory? no.

[Viperized]

The man himself known as Osama Bin Laden is even a CIA asset, as confirmed by former CIA official Milt Bearden.

http://newsone.com/newsone-original/...aden-al-qaeda/

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001...tember11.usa19

"We've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming." —Dick Cheney, "Interview of the Vice President by Tony Snow", March 29, 2006
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0060329-2.html

"9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden's Most Wanted page. He has not been formally indicted and charged in connection with 9/11 because the FBI has no hard evidence connected Bin Laden to 9/11." —FBI agent Rex Tomb, June 6, 2006

"The goal has never been to get Bin Laden." —General Richard Myers, chairman, US Joint Chiefs of Staff.

It's a sad day and age where ignorance reigns supreme. Any soldier who willingly enters an act of war deserves death, as he is directly supporting the false invasion and murder of innocent civilians.

[Viperized]

Originally Posted by Ultimate777

Hilary Clinton - the secretary of the United states has gone on record to state the u.s funded them, what more evidence do you want? They are telling you themselves they created the problem and still you want to send me links that suggest it's a conspiracy theory?

Have you seen the NDAA act? If so do you believe it's a conspiracy that now it's a law for the military to detain U.S citizens without trial indefinitely mere conspiracy to you? They are going to have the army knocking on their doors for thought crimes and you think this is a joke?

This is what is so frustrating, everything is right in your face, but because your history textbook didn't tell you, it's got to be a conspiracy theory. Yes it's a conspiracy but a theory? no.

But our government would never do that! We live in a democracy. They love us, and they truly care about us. How could the government ever arrest, detain and torture people without trial or forthcoming evidence?

Sad fact is, a huge number of individuals have already faced imprisonment without any evidence for any crime.

[BarnDoor]

Originally Posted by Ultimate777

Hilary Clinton - the secretary of the United states has gone on record to state the u.s funded them, what more evidence do you want? They are telling you themselves they created the problem and still you want to send me links that suggest it's a conspiracy theory?

I'm referring specifically to Mr Harrison's claims, about the funding post-1989.

Originally Posted by Ultimate777

Have you seen the NDAA act? If so do you believe it's a conspiracy that now it's a law for the military to detain U.S citizens without trial indefinitely mere conspiracy to you? They are going to have the army knocking on their doors for thought crimes and you think this is a joke?

Where was I talking about that?

Originally Posted by Ultimate777

This is what is so frustrating, everything is right in your face, but because your history textbook didn't tell you, it's got to be a conspiracy theory. Yes it's a conspiracy but a theory? no.

'History textbook'? We're not dealing in 'Ladybird' books you know. Just because you've never read a book at least use appropriate terminology. And before you belittle scholarly efforts (I presume you're talking about these), do bear in mind that academics have done far more research and argue their cause far better than you could ever dream of doing. If you picked up a book aimed at people above the age of 16, you would know that they do not just deal in one argument but weigh up evidence and discuss various theories.

[Amateur]

Originally Posted by Viperized

There is an obvious reason why no MP has sent their own kid to fight in Iraq or Afghanistan. Pretty hilarious how the British public will lap up all the bullshit on the Army. I wonder how many are aware Afghanistan has $1 trillion mineral reserves. There is no Al-Qaeda threat and there is no Taliban threat. These groups only exist because of the actions of the United States. Heroes yesterday, terrorists tomorrow. Heh. Senior US officials have come on board and have admitted without "an atrocity such as 9/11", going to Iraq and Afghanistan would have been almost impossible! Simply another case of Problem, Reaction, Solution.

To be fair, if Iran was the superpower and US was just another country, what would be the great difference? The only real difference is that people would barely have any liberties, but essentially we'd still have a religious government going after the infidels, starting wars under false pretenses, funding opposing organizations out of convenience, etc, etc.

I think you pay too much attention to nationalities. To say that these groups only exist because of the actions of the United States is a very shallow argument, and describing it as shallow really is an understatement. I do agree that doing nothing and being indifferent, although a choice, is wrong. But to argue that the existence of such groups, is something that exists purely because of the actions of the United States, is just completely off the mark, as far as I'm concerned.

Originally Posted by Jonno394

I am an educated historian and I feel adequately informed in regards to events occurring around the world, to the point where I consider multiple sources, viewpoints and interpretations rather than taking one source and running with it, like you have done in the past.

Originally Posted by Jonno394

I'll live my happy "ignorant" life now and when the shit hits the fan outside my door so be it, you'll be in exactly the same predicament barring the fact you'll be able to say "I told you so"

As the educated historian that you claim you are, I have no doubt that you know that many of the problems that we have today, are due to the fact that the majority of the people, be it educated historians or just humble average income people who know little or nothing about history, start taking things for granted.

Baby boomers, the 1950s, that's why we have so many conservative assholes, because middle class white men had it good in the 1950s, and even though they knew that the system was full of loopholes, they didn't dare criticize it because they were getting a very good deal as it was, and as is the trend with God Fearing Men, they shut the fuck up, hoping that everyone else would do the same. And therein lies the problem: when good men become complacent and contempt with the piece that they get, evil men WILL exploit the loopholes that are put in place intentionally.

Of course, the people who pay for that is the next generation, who has to watch how the people with the highest incomes pay a shit tax, because the middle class from the 1970s and 1980s were fucking stupid enough to believe that the wealth would "trickle down" when in actual fact, we can see it not only in paper but in plain sight, that it doesn't work, and it should go back to the way it was; but as we know from history, the evil motherfuckers fought very hard to get that tax cut, and they will not give away that power without a fight, and seeing how the middle class of today is, as George Carlin would put it "far too entertained with cell phones that make waffles", I can only see it getting increasingly worst, because we now have a culture of entitlement, of people whom are far too entertained enjoying the freedoms that other people fought for. Life is short, and we should enjoy it, but this is not the way to do it.

There's no denying that the system makes it difficult for good people to do something against the corruption, but when good people do not even try to do something about it, the corrupt fuckers expand and continue expanding their control over you. The world isn't perfect, but it could be a lot better, and with people who take their freedoms for granted, it will only get worst.

I'm not suggesting that you should become a larger than life activist, but there are things that you can do, and *if* you intend to do fuck all even though you know that you can do your small part as an individual, then you really are not entitled to criticize the system when your children have less freedoms than you enjoyed in your time.

So even though I do not necessarily agree with either 777 or Viperized, I still think it is wrong for an educated historian to turn his back completely, I think you are wrong about that, but then again, you won't pay the consequences for that, so you don't give a fuck anyways. I apologize in advance if that's not who you really are in the real world, but the way you go on about it in this forum, is just wrong. There are many historians, dare I say more experienced than you, that are doing their small contribution towards making the world a better place. The way you go on about it in this forum is simple: you know your history, you are not ignorant nor a fool, but you see no reason as to why you should do something against it, and in doing so, I think you are lacking objectivity in favor of convenience.

[Ultimate777]

Originally Posted by BarnDoor

I'm referring specifically to Mr Harrison's claims, about the funding post-1989.

Well that’s not my point which I’m arguing. I’m just putting it out there that they were originally set up by our own government. Not many people know that, and even if they did, sadly like you they’ve become so numb and desensitised through brain washing, that they wouldn’t care or be shocked about it.

That’s why when George Galloway is defending innocent Iraqis you attack him, and want to bring up dirt on him when there are people like me who are sickened by war and want those criminals( I don’t say that lightly} brought to justice. That’s why jonno can wish death upon my family and future children just because I dare shed light on the real reasons why we're going to war. That's why he fails to tell the difference between different sects of islam, but instead will group them all together and believe they’re all terrorisits needing to be killed.

The propaganda machine done a good job on you two and you’ll do and say anything to try and keep the rest of the sheep in line. But I promise you this, those at the top and their ilk like you and jonno who seem to think war is a big joke, will get what’s coming to you, mark my fucking words, because you are nothing but treacherous heartless cowardly cunts who turned their back on the human race while millions are being slaughtered for greed and lust for power which you continue to make excuses for. Shame on you son.

Originally Posted by BarnDoor

Where was I talking about that?

You weren’t talking about that anywhere and that’s the problem, you want to pretend it isn’t a problem but it is. You would be crying like a bitch if the military invaded your home telling you they were going to take you and your family away indefinitely to some torture camp but because it hasn’t happened here you want to act like it’s nothing. Too much complacency and stinking attitude that ''well it isn't happening to me so why should I care' Unfortunately you're another product of this selfish generation who only think ''me me me me'' with no foresight into the future and possess insight to that of a dribbling child.

Originally Posted by BarnDoor

'History textbook'? We're not dealing in 'Ladybird' books you know. Just because you've never read a book at least use appropriate terminology. And before you belittle scholarly efforts (I presume you're talking about these), do bear in mind that academics have done far more research and argue their cause far better than you could ever dream of doing. If you picked up a book aimed at people above the age of 16, you would know that they do not just deal in one argument but weigh up evidence and discuss various theories.

Never read a book? Do me a favour I’ll admit I’m no historian, but I know enough about the government’s current polices to understand what is really happening. I don’t need to be an MD to know the medical profession has been taken over by big pharma and I don’t need to be a nutritionist to know our foods are poisoned and the government are going after independent farmers to stop them from growing organic crops forcing them to spray poison every month for you and your family to buy from your local supermarket like good little sheep.

Just because you’ve studied and read history doesn’t mean you understand anything as proven in this thread. You can place your scholars on a pedestal; where their words are the be all and end all of everything, but humans are not God. Where were your precious scholars when Iraq got bombed to high heaven? Where were they when NDAA got passed? What are they doing about SOPA? I bet you they would all be in favour of those things. Also there are hundreds of lies peddled in history and I highly doubt those books in the universities will ever tell you of the banks who funded and backed all the world wars. This is why I say you’re a learned ignoramus. I’ve read books not just on history, but on the present, whether that will be on psychology, the occult and prominent figures who had and still a big influence in government and U.N to this very day who you’ve mostly likely never heard of. I’m talking about people like Michael Aquino, David Rothschild, Madam hp Blavatsky and aleister Crowley. I’ve spoken to people who’s families are involved in various masonic lodges across London and who are full-fledged initiates of those orders. I’ve read books on diet, medicine and physiology. So don’t assume you’re talking to some uneducated hick. I will tear you to pieces in a debate

While you’re preoccupied solely on what happened in the past, we’re making history as we speak and our future generations will look back and question why people like you sat back and done nothing but play PlayStation/xbox/ipod, watch football and eat McDonalds while our freedoms and rights were taking away.

I might not be great at using terminology but I sure as hell know a lot more about life than you’ll ever know, so don’t try and discredit my intelligence. Many people out there study for years and become scholars in pointless subjects which lead them nowhere, and then on top lack any basic common sense. You unfortunately are one of those people who study yet cannot think for yourself as you’ll only ever believe what you’re told by someone with a suit and tie on along with a teleprompter. Indoctrinated to the core, I truly feel sorry for you.

Placing blind faith in men like Cameron, dumb enough to believe one man can lead a nation and failing to see that both of our political parties are two sides of the same coin and there is no democracy. Dumb enough to believe a man in a cave masterminded a movie-esque airplane plot that made norad stand down. I’m sure you’ve heard of operation northwoods where the U.S government signed off plans to blow up their own planes and ships and blame it on the Cubans? They’ve thought of this before why would they not do it again? Hitler did it with the Reichstag building and it worked. So why is it outlandish to suspect that the U.S have done so with these terrorist attacks? As the saying going , history repeats itself . Do you really believe some religious extremist from the desert managed to pilot these high tech planes without anywhere assistance from insiders with the U.S?



The only way to get enough flight hours to be able to properly fly one of those u.s airflight planes, requires either military training or a lifetime worth of collecting flight time. Descending in a plane is hard work. pitch, yaw, roll, etc. all need to be managed precisely. A rookie can't do it. Most planes crash during take off and landing. So many pros can't either. We are to believe these men in caves woke up one day, decided to attack the u.s through hijacking of planes and then do so incredibly without any intervention from one of the worlds powerful nations and do so at high speeds? Right and you want to call me dumb. Hey, I got a bridge to sell you.

Lastly, when you analyse this from a criminal perspective, who had the motive? Is calling down the wrath of the world’s largest military upon your nation a "benefit" in the long run,or running a false flag on your own country to peddle war for more oil profit and more rights taken away from the citizens. Who has benefited from all these? Where have the most casualties been? In the west or the Middle East? You won’t answer these questions because they place scrutiny on your government who you cherish so much and prefer to remain ignorant. So really considering that you have no general interest to investigate what I say and try and reach the truth I think you should get the fuck out of this thread.

Anyway I suggest you stick to watching your sky sports news and concern yourself with things like when harry will take England the job and rest your hopes on Cameron leading us out of the recession which they got us into in the first place and of course help keep the bad men away so we can sleep easy at night. Like Laughin man said, go back to sleep in your little bubble of irrelevance because I’m bored of trying to help brainwashed sheep wake up. And I think jonno is calling you, he wants to thank you for being his mouthpiece .

[BarnDoor]

Originally Posted by Ultimate777

Well that’s not my point which I’m arguing. I’m just putting it out there that they were originally set up by our own government. Not many people know that, and even if they did, sadly like you they’ve become so numb and desensitised through brain washing, that they wouldn’t care or be shocked about it.

I know they were set up by western governments, I'm not disputing that.

Originally Posted by Ultimate777

That’s why when George Galloway is defending innocent Iraqis you attack him, and want to bring up dirt on him when there are people like me who are sickened by war and want those criminals( I don’t say that lightly} brought to justice.

The problem is he's also defending those who aren't innocent. He's a blanket Islamic sympathiser. For me he loses all integrity because of this. People like you and George deal in black and white. You think 'all Muslims are good/the west is bad', opposing those who think 'the west is good/all Muslims are bad'. The issue is far more complex than that. There's good and bad on all sides.

Originally Posted by Ultimate777

The propaganda machine done a good job on you two and you’ll do and say anything to try and keep the rest of the sheep in line. But I promise you this, those at the top and their ilk like you and jonno who seem to think war is a big joke, will get what’s coming to you, mark my fucking words, because you are nothing but treacherous heartless cowardly cunts who turned their back on the human race while millions are being slaughtered for greed and lust for power which you continue to make excuses for. Shame on you son.

Yet more slanderous statements. I'm afraid you're the only 'big joke' here mate.

Originally Posted by Ultimate777

You weren’t talking about that anywhere and that’s the problem, you want to pretend it isn’t a problem but it is. You would be crying like a bitch if the military invaded your home telling you they were going to take you and your family away indefinitely to some torture camp but because it hasn’t happened here you want to act like it’s nothing. Too much complacency and stinking attitude that ''well it isn't happening to me so why should I care' Unfortunately you're another product of this selfish generation who only think ''me me me me'' with no foresight into the future and possess insight to that of a dribbling child.

So I acknowledge a concern on a forum - what difference would it make? If you're so concerned, why not protest, get into politics? No, your plan, apparently, is to be in Jamaica when the shit hits the fan. Very bold.

Originally Posted by Ultimate777

Never read a book? Do me a favour I’ll admit I’m no historian, but I know enough about the government’s current polices to understand what is really happening. I don’t need to be an MD to know the medical profession has been taken over by big pharma and I don’t need to be a nutritionist to know our foods are poisoned and the government are going after independent farmers to stop them from growing organic crops forcing them to spray poison every month for you and your family to buy from your local supermarket like good little sheep.

Just because you’ve studied and read history doesn’t mean you understand anything as proven in this thread. You can place your scholars on a pedestal; where their words are the be all and end all of everything, but humans are not God. Where were your precious scholars when Iraq got bombed to high heaven? Where were they when NDAA got passed? What are they doing about SOPA? I bet you they would all be in favour of those things. Also there are hundreds of lies peddled in history and I highly doubt those books in the universities will ever tell you of the banks who funded and backed all the world wars. This is why I say you’re a learned ignoramus. I’ve read books not just on history, but on the present, whether that will be on psychology, the occult and prominent figures who had and still a big influence in government and U.N to this very day who you’ve mostly likely never heard of. I’m talking about people like Michael Aquino, David Rothschild, Madam hp Blavatsky and aleister Crowley. I’ve spoken to people who’s families are involved in various masonic lodges across London and who are full-fledged initiates of those orders. I’ve read books on diet, medicine and physiology. So don’t assume you’re talking to some uneducated hick. I will tear you to pieces in a debate

Don't be silly. You've made yourself look a fool by mentioning Crowley, who was nothing more than a occultist lunatic with too much money on his hands, testing if a cat really did have nine lives. You're also guilty of precisely what you accuse me of - believing everything you read, so long as it matches your view.

I've met countless types like you before who follow, shall we say, 'unorthodox' views and think they're special and unique because of it. You're really not.

Originally Posted by Ultimate777

While you’re preoccupied solely on what happened in the past, we’re making history as we speak and our future generations will look back and question why people like you sat back and done nothing but play PlayStation/xbox/ipod, watch football and eat McDonalds while our freedoms and rights were taking away.

Whereas people like yourself did what exactly? Post your thoughts on PESGaming and pack up and move to Jamaica? Yes I'm sure you'll be heralded as a hero.

Originally Posted by Ultimate777

I might not be great at using terminology but I sure as hell know a lot more about life than you’ll ever know, so don’t try and discredit my intelligence. Many people out there study for years and become scholars in pointless subjects which lead them nowhere, and then on top lack any basic common sense. You unfortunately are one of those people who study yet cannot think for yourself as you’ll only ever believe what you’re told by someone with a suit and tie on along with a teleprompter. Indoctrinated to the core, I truly feel sorry for you.

You clearly haven't had a University education have you? Or at least not in something that requires recognition of different views and arguments.

Originally Posted by Ultimate777

Placing blind faith in men like Cameron, dumb enough to believe one man can lead a nation and failing to see that both of our political parties are two sides of the same coin and there is no democracy. Dumb enough to believe a man in a cave masterminded a movie-esque airplane plot that made norad stand down. I’m sure you’ve heard of operation northwoods where the U.S government signed off plans to blow up their own planes and ships and blame it on the Cubans? They’ve thought of this before why would they not do it again? Hitler did it with the Reichstag building and it worked. So why is it outlandish to suspect that the U.S have done so with these terrorist attacks? As the saying going , history repeats itself . Do you really believe some religious extremist from the desert managed to pilot these high tech planes without anywhere assistance from insiders with the U.S?



The only way to get enough flight hours to be able to properly fly one of those u.s airflight planes, requires either military training or a lifetime worth of collecting flight time. Descending in a plane is hard work. pitch, yaw, roll, etc. all need to be managed precisely. A rookie can't do it. Most planes crash during take off and landing. So many pros can't either. We are to believe these men in caves woke up one day, decided to attack the u.s through hijacking of planes and then do so incredibly without any intervention from one of the worlds powerful nations and do so at high speeds? Right and you want to call me dumb. Hey, I got a bridge to sell you.

Lastly, when you analyse this from a criminal perspective, who had the motive? Is calling down the wrath of the world’s largest military upon your nation a "benefit" in the long run,or running a false flag on your own country to peddle war for more oil profit and more rights taken away from the citizens. Who has benefited from all these? Where have the most casualties been? In the west or the Middle East? You won’t answer these questions because they place scrutiny on your government who you cherish so much and prefer to remain ignorant. So really considering that you have no general interest to investigate what I say and try and reach the truth I think you should get the fuck out of this thread.

Anyway I suggest you stick to watching your sky sports news and concern yourself with things like when harry will take England the job and rest your hopes on Cameron leading us out of the recession which they got us into in the first place and of course help keep the bad men away so we can sleep easy at night. Like Laughin man said, go back to sleep in your little bubble of irrelevance because I’m bored of trying to help brainwashed sheep wake up. And I think jonno is calling you, he wants to thank you for being his mouthpiece.

I come back to my main point - what does it matter if I agreed with everything you say? How can I change things? According to you, it's all set in stone, and the only thing we can do is flee to some far-flung corner of the world before it all kicks off. How very cowardly.

So let's try another train of thought - how do you know Jamaica will be safe? If a nuclear bomb hits Texas, how bad do you think the fallout will be? Oh I forgot you're immune to cancer aren't you?

Kingston is already quite a lawless place. If the world descends into anarchy, it wouldn't be long before criminal elements took advantage of it. The place could turn into a warzone.

Or worst still, an invasion of the island takes place. You stand up and shout 'I have millions in the bank; let's build coastal defences'. I imagine you'd be robbed and killed.

[Viperized]

Clearly it was entirely plausible that a bunch of religious zealots with 14 boxcutters managed to evade airport security and US Homeland Security.

Originally Posted by Amateur

To be fair, if Iran was the superpower and US was just another country, what would be the great difference? The only real difference is that people would barely have any liberties, but essentially we'd still have a religious government going after the infidels, starting wars under false pretenses, funding opposing organizations out of convenience, etc, etc.

I think you pay too much attention to nationalities. To say that these groups only exist because of the actions of the United States is a very shallow argument, and describing it as shallow really is an understatement. I do agree that doing nothing and being indifferent, although a choice, is wrong. But to argue that the existence of such groups, is something that exists purely because of the actions of the United States, is just completely off the mark, as far as I'm concerned.

This has nothing to do with nationalities but rather the hard facts. Al-CIA-duh and the Taliban are nothing but a product of CIA. However, I'm not going to repeat myself - go back and read the last page or two. All the relevent information is all there. And it's great to assume things. Iran has not launched an offensive campaign for over three centuries. The United States has a long dark history of murdering and torturing innocent people. It draws parallels with the work of Hitler, Pol Pot and Stalin. Difference is, you don't really hear about it in the mainstream media. Has there even been a single year where the United States has not had any involvement in a conflict? I personally do not care about nationality, colour or religion. Whether an innocent American, Israeli, or an Iraqi dies, it's all one and the same. You truly have to love the fact that a Pakistani Neuroscientist was sentanced 86 years to federal prison for 'attempted murder' of US soldiers. On the same account, a U.S. marine killed 24 Iraqis including women and children and hasn't even been sentanced to a day in prison. Where is the justice in that?



Some food for thought. It's all about the money. Obama 'apparently' withdrew all troops from Iraq. It's bollocks. They've instead contracted operatives for defending 'strategic assets'.

[Viperized]

I also wonder how many of you are aware that the United States intentionally sabotaged Iraq's water supply. They knew the cost that civilian Iraqis, mostly children, would pay, and it went ahead anyway. You can actually find the relevent information in a declassified document in Department of Defense.