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I took one look at those videos, and its obvious something isnt quite right. Now, here's whats really going on at Gamescom, this is from an actual Pes playtester on another forum "I played about 6 games and yes it got better - you get used to the slow pace and reaction times but then I played...

Typical Q and A part 2. I ask a question about pes and specifically say "Forget fifa for a sec". no one actually answers the question that was asked, and guess what......... They start going on about fifa again, the very same thing they are asking me not to talk about. lol...

3rd try and trying to install some logic on here.. Forget Fifa for a sec. Here is the contradictions in what is being said Its very simple. 1)Company promises huge changes to be shown at games convention.... Company instead shows old builds with hardly any of the gameplay changes promised...

Typical Q and A with people who cant get basic concepts. I ask a simple question about pes......(no mention of the other game) This is what comes back, totally missing the point....as usual. Company promises huge changes to be shown at games convention.... Company instead shows old builds...

........................ Your really outdoing yourself for stupidest comment on a gaming forum right now. Shaun7..........once again, doesnt understand basic logic, but he'll be back in a min with another stupidly long paragraph about something completely unrelated to the question. What does...

Coming from a guy who posted that 360 movement might not even be in the videos we are seeing...... So you would backup a company that makes a big announcement at games convention about all this new features....... But then shows a code a month old with the features removed from the game. And...

Honestly its a joke, you got a bunch of guys who dont actually know what they are talking about putting their foot in it time and time again with farcial statements which are clearly not true, even about pes. I mean if im from EA like people believe, I really shouldnt have to be educating people...

Im sure they are....... now...... PES2010......... whats going on with the be a legend?

Again you have trouble understanding basic concepts How is CPU assisted passing, shooting, pk's and even tackles lol... More difficult than Manual controls. The posts on here are getting more retarded by the mintue "Pes Iz wel ard cos da computa dose everfin 4 me, but it weally me...

One simple question What mode was your shooting set to??? lmao.

Here's what im gonna say, rather than posting the same old vids of one man taking on 9 players and scoring and hideous animations in pes 2009. All I say is that. Go online with manual passing and shooting against a fifa player, take your cpu assisted pes skills down there and see if you...

Pes 2009= Get one player, R1, sharp turns with d pad over and over, R1, shoot. Or Hold down R1, shoot, pick up rebound, tap in. Typical pes passing Sequence, X, d pad, X, X, d-pad X= Ball ping pongs about with laser like accuracy if the cpu allows it. Im not prasing that shit game...

PES 4 was good, fifa from 96-2007 was rubbish What's your point. Youve already admitted that right now fifa is better, just calm it down bit, before you start going round in circles.

Yeah I think your right, cos when I went 4 master league domestic seasons without losing a single game (pes4), the computer must have been destroying me. Yeah, only noobs play a game which gives you more control of passing and shooting. CPU assisted games where the computer wipes your ass for...

You actually think your controlling your own passes right? Its not the cpu weighting them for you???? LMAO. Let me guess, since i actually control the direction and weight of the pass when i play football games, and you press one direction and x or triangle once..........your more...

Nope. Quite simply without getting into a war. Manual and semi is way harder to master than the CPU assisting nearly everything do. In pes you cant even deliberatley miss a pk, think about that.....pk's are a lottery, no skills, cpu says you miss or you dont. Cpu says the pass goes...

Me saying "You dont know what you are talking about is flaming"???? .......................... When you can understand that being to score the same 2/3 goals every time, completley goes against premise of teamvision........ You wont need me to tell you how and why it doesnt work. Give it...

You cant even understand your own definition of teamvison completley contradicted your own question on why its rubbish and doesnt work. Then to top it off, you dont even think there is an AI problem on pes 2009, despite that being one of the main gripes fans have with the series and the...

Obviously sarcasm is completely lost on you......... Anyone sensible want to talk?

Stopped reading here. Nothing to do with the main point of coversation. Perfect strik, your next............