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You suck, Gin. Why don't you get a job?

Does Ximelez still exist? I liked him.

Welcome back to the fray, lovely boy. How was racism rehab??

'Brilliant from the moment I start it up'? Typical impatient youngster. Go and play FIFA, kid.

It's still bent.

Totall onboard with this. I used to like doing custom tourneys and stuff. Especially seems as though the European Championship is now a 24 team affair and they haven't updated it. Or what about the Home Nations or Confederations Cup? Or just a cup of your own design!

2012 does have the potential to be brilliant. Hopefully they'll just have tinkered, rather that trying to make wholesale changes.

Mine will be newschool, because I only converted from FIFA in about 2004... 1 - PES 6 - This year's effort came close, but this still rules the roost for me. It just felt right. A perfect combination of the simplicity of the old games, with more modern refinements. 2 - PES 2011 - That's...

Dynamic is a great idea, but it needs tweaking a little. I've always thought up/down development was needed, not just the whole up, peak, down model.

Wash your mouth out young man!

They say the pessimist says it's half empty and the optimist says it's half full. I don't do either I'm proactive, I piss in it to fill it up.

I'm with you, SDP. I can't see what everyone is getting so pissed off about. PES 2011 is vastly different from any other in the series, and really brings the franchise forward to the world of modern computer games. I mean, how much do you actually want out of the bloody game???

Wow. Talk about miserable pessimism. With an outlook like that you probably aren't going to enjoy it.

What about MLS? Jamacia can come in, but those other three are gash.

Yeah, I know what you mean, 15s have always produced a better game, particularly on 2011.

What's all this bullshit recently? All I can say is, as a stalwart of the PES Gaming community is, BRING IT THE FUCK ON.

Well maybe you shouldn't have invented that gay version of rugby with helmets then there'd be no confusion.

Oh right yeah, I only ever played PES 6 on PS2 so treated it as previous gen, if you know what I mean. 6 on the Ecksbox didn't have an edit mode, did it? Stupid Microsoft marks.

I think 5 was very flawed, but 6 was awesome. I've just started playing it again on PC because my PS3 has cancer :( I switched from FIFA in late 2004 and rate them as follows - PES 4 - Awesome at the time, starting to show it's age now PES 5 - Good, but flawed. Poor AI and players had the...