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FIFA's been reborn, and that's the problem. The fact that lazy fucking EA have actually made a better game than Konami for what looks to be 2 years running, and it's a disgrace! This isn't the end though, unless fanboys keep clinging to the idea that this is going to be some kind of rebirth...

PES 2009 has lost PES's fluidity... Again, clunky robot men playing with a flat ball on a waterlogged pitch.

Eh? Do "real" players play with flat ball as a bunch of clunky moving robots? I think FIFA 09 is just more realistic and more enjoyable this time around, like PES 5/6 were a few years back. You might as well have kick throughs PES is that out of date now. Sort it out Konami you lazy...

FIFA 09 of course, because they have got their shit together and have earned my money!

Because I've loved every PES game up until 2008 and the demo for 2009, and I'm really worried that Konami are just living off of the game's reputation and not inovation or in fact making a good enough game any more! Also, I wished someone would pay me to take on forums, I could quit my day...

I love Metal Gear Solid, and I'm not a FIFA fanboy... I also didn't know that people classified that retarded FIFA street shit as FIFA games... The engine is completely different, I played it with a mate once, before spending the day signing: "EA Stole your hundred buck, doo daa!" I did...

No, not like PES 6... It's flat, PES 6's ball isn't flat!

As much as I hate to say it, EA did produce the Sims... Sadly one of the most successful games of all time... Then there's Spore, which whilst dissapoint in comparison to what they promised, also an amazingly popular game. Konami have made many better games though in the past, but I have...

Well I did last night when I was deciding if my critisism of PES 2009 was justified... ...it was! Okay, I started off with 2 games of PES 2009... Moved on to PES 6, kept playing it for about an hour or so when it was meant to be 2 matches. Then moved onto FIFA 09 and kept going at...

You can't compare gameplay on video! I'm actually stunned by what your saying here. Okay, if you have played the demo and enjoy the flat ball, robotic feel that PES 2009's demo seems to have, then fine enjoy it, but don't watch a video and declare how good it must be!

I've somewhere got 2300 odd words of the flaws, but you didn't read it! I never said anything against the keepers if you checked, the only issue I had was the beyond halfway goal, which does seem to be happening more than the normal once in thousand moment that it should, but hey! My issue is...

Yes, someone get's what I mean!

I bet you didn't read what that was... That was everything I wrote on this forum up until then, just to show someone something... But it does look a tad rediculous presented like that.

You told me you hadn't played it yet and that you only watched videos of it, how the fuck can you tell how good the gameplay is from that?!

It's seemingly quite frequent... Do me a favour, help Konami by actually doing more than defending the games infinite issues and flaws and hoping that they'll go away and actually being critical. This is set to go down as another failure and your praising it!

Nothing is ideal mate, but better than the shit Konami is pushing on us!

Actually, if we want this years best game, you'd want: The Gameplay of FIFA The Licencing of FIFA & PES The Graphics of FIFA The Audio of FIFA The effort on the faces of PES They have honestly dropped the ball big time!

Oh my God, somebody that understands my post... We're exepting shit from the people who made the very best ever football games, they got comfortable, and now they've just reskinned PES 6's engine with new textures and called that next gen graphics, they left the ball physics (and inexplicably...

Oh my God, I knew this game had some issues... but DAMN! The keeper shouldn't have been that far out, and the chances of being that accurate are infinitesimal... DAVID BECKHAM! But still, what the hell!

Well then, respect my opinion and right to voice it matey! Maybe someone hasn't heard it yet, or maybe I don't feel I've expressed it well enough yet...