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Seems there is much more rant than last year even. Back then the game at least had some positive feedback :D I hated it with all my heart last year so let's see what my reactions are this year. Do we still have the option to import our own photos in the edit mode?

Star players don't usually need many efforts before they score in real life either, so I don't really see it simplistic as long as you have to struggle to get a scoring opprtunity. Manual passing sounds really good, though.

Why do you say that? I'm discussing why I like how PES was a couple of years ago, and other people are telling why they prefer FIFA. The thread IS about why we don't play PES 09, duh. You're just an ignorant piece of crap yourself. Back up your opinions properly before you cry about us...

2.) Is a good point, and admittedly I haven't thought about it much. The solution could be passing a year, but that might just make FIFA stronger. 3.) What about if people didn't complain at all? We wouldn't see much advance in the gaming industry.

It's because I don't want to concentrate on all the processes you go through when passing or shooting etc. Pro footballers, as I said, act on instinct and they wouldn't have time to go through the processes in the middle of action, so in a video game you shouldn't be either. Now the AI is so bad...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3KCS1lryf4&feature=related lol. this video's tags matched my search keywords.

Surely it's not about the money. If the game has gone worse instead of better, it's about lack of vision, not caring or being stupid. Konami can't be THAT poor.

In my opinion creating the shooting opportunity should be the thing to concentrate on, and leave the shooting depend on the shooter's numeric skill values.

I often like to use the game "Mount&Blade" as an example. It's a medieval combat game and can hardly be compared to a football game. Nonetheless, the developing team consists of less than 20 people, and they've managed to create a groundbreaking combat system. It's about vision and ambition more...

Well you always NEED someone to complain. Anyhow, unbelieveably good games have been made with unbelieveably small budgets, so I really don't believe in this argument anymore. Cutting features from the edit mode can't be explained with low budget.

Manual shooting? You mean aiming your shot manually with the stick? I wouldn't really call that simulating a shot, because a pro football player for sure acts on instinct without having to search with his eyes a spot to shoot at. An arcade shooting system simulates this well, in my opinion ;)

I'm playing with PC(keyboard), so I've no experience from manual passing. I think it doesn't work in Pes 09 because the players are too dumb to react to anything unprogrammed. PES5 is the right choice for me. I tried PES6 but it was maybe even worse than 09. Dribbling seemed hard so I took a...

No logical explanation to this. Either they have accidentally wiped out the code while working on it, or they're idiots :D

A good game should allow all styles of play. But what gets me confused now, is what do you mean by arcade and simulation? How I understand it, is that in simulation the situations in the field resemble real football. Arcade in turn doesn't care that much about how football plays, but how you can...

EDIT: forget it...

There's still lots and lots of things to develop in terms of gameplay, so if Konami just put some effort, they could challenge FIFA easily. All they would need to do is ditch the lousy PES 08-09 systems and start developing PES5 onwards :P

This happens because there has to be competition in the top scorer ranking, I assume.

Heh... well. That's not the case. I'm not a coder at all. But I've seen it done 1000 times better, and I bet Konami isn't doing the best they can. Because they have a permanent fanbase, they develop games with minimal costs(not counting graphics cause they're a must in order to have people buy...

Dude, if that's the case, Konami's coders are the most amateur idiots the game industry has ever seen. The game has taken steps backwards ffs. They do not listen to the fans. At all. They listen to the crowd.

Fine, as long as it'd only affect the CPU. Your own confidence is what should affect your own team. What should only have effect is the player's mentality(or whatever it was) value. Some players might play a bit better in the end of the game IRL, too, but eventhough they do, it doesn't mean...