Adriano/Japan/Korea/Fabregas etc

[pes89]

I think all this stuff is alright in the game. Adriano is really good in real life not to dissimilar to his PES carachter. He holds defenders off with ease, turns players with ease has good acceleration and a powerful shot. He hasn't been at his best but is returning to something like it.

Japan and Korea in real life have done well in International tournament where they can be rated beside other Nations, in real life they are all technically gifted players who play good football. Just as good as teams like Croatia and Sweden I would say although a different style.

Fabregas people say is under rated but they can't help if he is inconsistant, lightweight and slow. If he was as good as Xavi, he would be in the game but he is a couple of years off getting to Xavi's level or Pirlo's and its only right he isn't on the game. I agree Fabregas should be a bit better as he is better than Michael Carrick who seems better in the game.

Konami are 95% right with their stats obviously some will be a bit different to real life but when a player is undeniably good enough they are on the game, when they are no they are no etc.

Adriano is still arguambly the best in the world at holding players off, turning and getting a shot at goal usually very accurate. Maybe his top speed should be about 75 with 95 acceleration as he doesn't run fast all the time for distances, but he can be very fast when running. For a while there he was over weight and not at his best but he still bullied defenders and got shots away, maybe never scored as much but he didn't turn into Marlon Harewood still had the quality in his locker.

 

[jenicek68]

pes89: regards to fabregas: Well, one thing i don´t like about pes is physics and passing system.. They basicly not affecting the game so arsenal feel way too much weak.. Fabregas is player on same quality like Rosický, but he is more striking and rosicky is more passing ( His passes are special ).. Where i am going? Simply Fabregas is weak, becouse the game isn´t able to use his stats in engine.. Abedayor isn´t weak either, but in PES he is useless.. That´s why is Arsenal most under rated team in PES.. Pace of passing is always too fast.. CHELSEA, ARSENAL, MAN U, ROME, PSV, PANATHINAIKOS, BENFICA, AZ, SPARTAK MOSKOW and every other team can pass as fast as the others..

 

[pes89]

I agree about the whole of Arsenal's team, they all feel one paced and weak but look at real life and it does quite reflect it. Arsenal are 5th in England, Villarreal are similar in Spain and they are about a similar level of team so it's not like Arsenal should be as good as Man Utd and Chelsea is it?

I think Sagna is under rated, he should be a bit more dynamic and Fabregas should have better short passing in the 90s. I also think Fernando Torres should be a bit quicker as he can accellerate away from defenders in real life the same as Adebayor could be a bit stronger.

 

[jenicek68]

pes89: It should not be.. But it should not be on Portsmouth level either?

 

[Rainey]

fabregas is quite possibly the smartest footballer in the world, he is much better player than pirlo

 

[iamcanadianeh]

Fabregas, unfortunately, is the kind of player who we as the player need to reproduce in brilliance, rather than being stat-based, like Adriano. I would like to see him get the ball more and control the play more when the CPU is using him, though.

Also, I think the main reason we see these problems is that the PES system for player development isn't an accurate portrayal of reality. Some players, such as those young players at Arsenal, are often made much worse in the game because they are so young, and would get to be too good if they were allowed to be as good as they are right now. Think of what a player like Wilshere woudl become if they gave him the stats he deserves for the way he plays at such a young age! He would be off the charts. In general, what I'm saying is that player stats need to be upped, and player growth needs to be curbed in order to make it more realistic. PLayers do get better over their careers, but some also should start out with great abilites which never get all that much better. For example, can Rooney shoot the ball THAT much harder now than he could six years ago? To make it work withing their current system, Konami are forced to make his shooting power 65-70 when he is at age 18, but there are plenty of players who can shoot quite well at that age, including accuracy (but they may have other areas they will develop at more over time).

 

[jenicek68]

Fabregas, unfortunately, is the kind of player who we as the player need to reproduce in brilliance, rather than being stat-based, like Adriano. I would like to see him get the ball more and control the play more when the CPU is using him, though.

Also, I think the main reason we see these problems is that the PES system for player development isn't an accurate portrayal of reality. Some players, such as those young players at Arsenal, are often made much worse in the game because they are so young, and would get to be too good if they were allowed to be as good as they are right now. Think of what a player like Wilshere woudl become if they gave him the stats he deserves for the way he plays at such a young age! He would be off the charts. In general, what I'm saying is that player stats need to be upped, and player growth needs to be curbed in order to make it more realistic. PLayers do get better over their careers, but some also should start out with great abilites which never get all that much better. For example, can Rooney shoot the ball THAT much harder now than he could six years ago? To make it work withing their current system, Konami are forced to make his shooting power 65-70 when he is at age 18, but there are plenty of players who can shoot quite well at that age, including accuracy (but they may have other areas they will develop at more over time).

But still.. I feel that arsenals power is speed, passing game, covering of the ball and pace of the game.. PES is reproducing that system for all teams.. There is not intelligence of the players and so.. If one is smarter, then he should get better orieantion on the field.. If some team got good team players, then team play should be better.. But it is not in PES anymore. Where is advantage of the player like drogba, berbatov, toni? It is all gone.. It was back in the games, but it is not anymore there.. One thing is that develop stats are not there and the other thing is, that it is no matter, becouse you can not feel that big difference in them or they have been just deleted and are there to just look they are there..

 

[iamcanadianeh]

I would disagree, in general, with the suggestion that you don't feel the difference of certain players. I think that PES still has that going for it, especially when compared to a lot of other sports games in this and other genres. A lot of sports games nowadays could be said to show almost zero difference between one player an the next. Also, remember that you can edit the players all you want.

Don't get me wrong though, I agree in principle, but the point I'm trying to make is that the dev system needs to be fixed first, as big of a job as that is, and that if/when that happens you will see more accurate stats. Otherwise, we would be here complaining about certain players getting ridiculously too good, if we aren't already.

Bottom line, however, is that year in, year out, Arsenal's players are way under rated in the game (i'm a Gooner for life, so I should know). Moreover, their ratings pale in comparison to the ratings given to Asian players, and the licenced clubs, so there is undoubtedly a bias there. Moreover, Arsenal's players are often not only lacking in starting skills, but a lot of their development curves themselves are crap - so again, the argument I'm making doesn't account for the whole problem, I just mean to point out that it isn't helping that the game is built on a flawed development system which Konami are taking into account when they generate the player ratings.

 

[2GunsUp]

pes underate too much players in the game they underated sagna and glen jonhson micah richard i don't know why they doing but sagna and glen jonshon are the best right back in england right now and look how underated maicon is in pro evo, maicon he is the best attacking right back in the world i knw alves is gd but maicon he is having a better season than him,they also underated the guy who plays for napoli hamski he is as gd as any gd midfielder,the all arsenal team is weak and underated its an embarrasment look how weak he is adebayor in real life he has a gd leap and can hold off defenders but he doesn't have those attributes in the game people who make pro evo should actually try and watch football because its a joke when pepe has more attributes than vidic ,the thing is they only prepare to give attributes to teams who have lot of individual players and thats a shame

 

[Stormrider]

Agree with poster and disagree with everyone else. Arsenal is a treat to use for me and their movement in the game is so similar to reality because all their starting midfielders have Playmaker. Cesc is really good already, easily top 5 CMF in EPL, which has some of the best CMF in game and he's still so young. Can't make him better than Xavi and Iniesta yet, he's not even 1st choice for Spain. Adebayor doesn't have a good leap? Didn't know 90 for a tall guy was crap. Hamsik underrated wow. He has excellent stats for a 21 year old.

Some people just want every recognized player to have godly stats when the stats are just fine, maybe just a couple points here and there but Konami got them pretty much spot on this year. I was unstoppable when I played a league season with Arsenal, only 2 losses on top player. Cesc made everything happen and Adebayor finished top scorer with 26 goals. RVP was also lethal but he was injured half the time. Defense only leaked 22 goals cuz Toure and Gallas are so strong and fast, pretty much only set plays cause problems, just like real life.

I seriously don't get some people. Btw, Arsenal was far from underrated in Pes 3. Absolute scary team in that game and rightly so cuz those were the invincibles.

 

[iamcanadianeh]

"Stormrider"

...What about compared to the other sides in the game? When playing against friends who use Chelsea, Man U, etc, I am choosing a lower class of team when I use Arsenal (I don't use the obvious example of the teams needing to be even fo online, because online rarely works for me). Sure, the current crop of Gunners are young and they need to develop more in real life as well, but there is clearly a bias there if you compare them to other sides. If you choose to look at them in isolation you may see that they are "good enough," sure, but it's not fair to do that, is it?

 

[2GunsUp]

nah see things from a neutral point of view
example
palacios: so underated a machine in midfield capable of completing all his passes in a football game again underated
arshavin:underated
lassana diarra: underated
mcgeady: underated
flamini: underated
valencia: underated
carzola:underated
mascherano: underated they gave him rubbish balance for a tenacious midfielder


whats wrong with konami ????????????

 

[Rainey]

arshavin is fair id say, the man is only getting recognised at the age of 27

 

[Stormrider]

"Stormrider"

...What about compared to the other sides in the game? When playing against friends who use Chelsea, Man U, etc, I am choosing a lower class of team when I use Arsenal (I don't use the obvious example of the teams needing to be even fo online, because online rarely works for me). Sure, the current crop of Gunners are young and they need to develop more in real life as well, but there is clearly a bias there if you compare them to other sides. If you choose to look at them in isolation you may see that they are "good enough," sure, but it's not fair to do that, is it?

Because it's the truth, you are using a slightly lower class team. It's been a while since Arsenal has won the league and they're now only 5th. Sure you can blame injuries all you want for this season and last but Arsenal are just not in the same class as United, Barca, etc. anymore, sorry to burst your bubble.

Having said that you can still use them to your advantage. Their movement is one of the best in game thanks to so many players with Playmaker and they're all good passers. Adebayor is great in the air and he and RVP are pretty quick. They also have the fastest back 4 I think. Arsenal is my fav team to use in the game simply cuz you have to work towards you goals, not just rely on Ronaldo and Messi to do all the work. When my friend used AC Milan they couldn't cope with my Arsenal's movement and passing and my back 4 kept pace with the likes of Kaka, Dinho, and Pato. I won 2-1. I can't wait til they pick Barca and United so I can show them a thing or 2 with the Gunners.

 

[jenicek68]

Because it's the truth, you are using a slightly lower class team. It's been a while since Arsenal has won the league and they're now only 5th. Sure you can blame injuries all you want for this season and last but Arsenal are just not in the same class as United, Barca, etc. anymore, sorry to burst your bubble.

Having said that you can still use them to your advantage. Their movement is one of the best in game thanks to so many players with Playmaker and they're all good passers. Adebayor is great in the air and he and RVP are pretty quick. They also have the fastest back 4 I think. Arsenal is my fav team to use in the game simply cuz you have to work towards you goals, not just rely on Ronaldo and Messi to do all the work. When my friend used AC Milan they couldn't cope with my Arsenal's movement and passing and my back 4 kept pace with the likes of Kaka, Dinho, and Pato. I won 2-1. I can't wait til they pick Barca and United so I can show them a thing or 2 with the Gunners.

RE: Well, i don´t wanna say, that ARSENAL is on same level with MAN U, but there is some staff missing.. Let´s say example of Berbatov, if you watching PREM LEAGUE and then play PES, it is just so different.. Same with Abedayor.. Cesc fabregas is on the other hand faster then in the game, but weaker in body and etc.. And your passing game? It is the way, which you will have to play with every weaker team, couse for some reason TEAMPLAY was affecting game last time in PES 6 and that was the last time, where Arsenal had accurate stats.. Since that it is not in PES anymore (In the way of the effect in the match)..

 

[iamcanadianeh]

Because it's the truth, you are using a slightly lower class team. It's been a while since Arsenal has won the league and they're now only 5th. Sure you can blame injuries all you want for this season and last but Arsenal are just not in the same class as United, Barca, etc. anymore, sorry to burst your bubble.

Having said that you can still use them to your advantage. Their movement is one of the best in game thanks to so many players with Playmaker and they're all good passers. Adebayor is great in the air and he and RVP are pretty quick. They also have the fastest back 4 I think. Arsenal is my fav team to use in the game simply cuz you have to work towards you goals, not just rely on Ronaldo and Messi to do all the work. When my friend used AC Milan they couldn't cope with my Arsenal's movement and passing and my back 4 kept pace with the likes of Kaka, Dinho, and Pato. I won 2-1. I can't wait til they pick Barca and United so I can show them a thing or 2 with the Gunners.

Don't forget that PES 09 stats would have been based on last years performance, not this year. Last year, for 75% of the campaign we were the talk of Europe, being called the next invincibles. We may have lost it in the end, but the stats should have clearly been better for this year's game based on the way we were playing (skill and technique). Yes, inconsistent in the end - but you could say similar things about a lot of players that are over rated in PES, and the skill stats should be based on the skill the players display on the pitch, so that when we use the team's players we feel like we have their abilities.

Although I can see that they are fun to use because of their lower stats and playmaking, that's really not the point. Just look at Walcott. Hat-trick for England and a shot accuracy of 68? hmmmm...


That's the only point I'm making, and again I think this is in part due to the player development system in the game and the fact that Arsenal have a lot of young players.