Fifa 09 vs Pro Evo 2009
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Kiruk
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I have to pay 25% tax on everything over £20 I'm afraid.
shaun7
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^I never heared of that.
Chinaman. If you wanna pre order it's your choice. But I'm gonna place my order 2 weeks after release because it will be almost 50% sale on Game.uk. So far I've gotten 2 games like that. They made a sale on almost every game 2 weeks after release date. I prefer to wait 2 weeks rather than pay double. 39 is not an expensive price though. Hopefully it will go down to 25.
Chinaman. If you wanna pre order it's your choice. But I'm gonna place my order 2 weeks after release because it will be almost 50% sale on Game.uk. So far I've gotten 2 games like that. They made a sale on almost every game 2 weeks after release date. I prefer to wait 2 weeks rather than pay double. 39 is not an expensive price though. Hopefully it will go down to 25.
PESFan92
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Retail stores are so much dearer than online.
Example:
Flight Simulator 2004 PC retail £29.99
Flight Simulator X PC Retail £49.99
Flight Simulator 2004 PC Online(play.com) £19.99
Flight Simulator X PC Online(play.com) £19.99
I've Pre Ordered FIFA09 & PES2009 from play.com
PES2009: £39.99
FIFA09: £39.99
I don't care if it's a waste of money, because i can afford it because i have quite alot of money in my bank account... Snooker Competitions, Money i have saved from christmas' and brithdays.
ohh and i won over £2000 on the lottery which my mum had to pick up for me.
Example:
Flight Simulator 2004 PC retail £29.99
Flight Simulator X PC Retail £49.99
Flight Simulator 2004 PC Online(play.com) £19.99
Flight Simulator X PC Online(play.com) £19.99
I've Pre Ordered FIFA09 & PES2009 from play.com
PES2009: £39.99
FIFA09: £39.99
I don't care if it's a waste of money, because i can afford it because i have quite alot of money in my bank account... Snooker Competitions, Money i have saved from christmas' and brithdays.
ohh and i won over £2000 on the lottery which my mum had to pick up for me.
Retail stores are so much dearer than online.
Example:
Flight Simulator 2004 PC retail £29.99
Flight Simulator X PC Retail £49.99
Flight Simulator 2004 PC Online(play.com) £19.99
Flight Simulator X PC Online(play.com) £19.99
I've Pre Ordered FIFA09 & PES2009 from play.com
PES2009: £39.99
FIFA09: £39.99
I don't care if it's a waste of money, because i can afford it because i have quite alot of money in my bank account... Snooker Competitions, Money i have saved from christmas' and brithdays.
ohh and i won over £2000 on the lottery which my mum had to pick up for me.
woh.... jealous.........
All i've gotta say is, look at gameplay videos of fifa 08 and fifa 09 or play them yourself, I find it very hard to spot any differences, they look exactly the same, therefore its still rubbish? They've failed to improve anything. Although, pes 2009 might have done nothing new, might have improved far less than fifa, it still has better gameplay. Therefore is the winner.
trigglebeef
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Still can't help but prefer Fifa now. It's improved ridiculous amounts, and i'm really enjoying it as a fresh challenge after so many years of Pro Evo.
trigglebeef
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Never mate. Fifa is the closest game to the real thing, in terms of looks and gameplay. And this is coming from a football and (former) Pro Evo obsessive. Give it a bit of time, learn the advanced controls and then come back to me and say "Trigglebeef, you were knob on mate, Fifa is actually pretty damn special".
I think football fans would definitley prefer FIFA. Most football fans wouldn't like the fake club names, nor the short master league campaign or the fact there are so few teams from the lower divisions (yes, lower divisions do exist for all those commercial fans). Also, I think football fans would appreciate the thought and attention brought into FIFA's stats as opposed to PES's stats (e.g. Torres, Reina).
PES much more appeals to my gaming side than my football fan side. I love the fact that Master League is addictive and I have a tonne of madeup players in my squad. The growth curve and layout is fantastic. I like the fact lots of players feel different... these kinds of things aren't that important to football fans as a whole. I also like the presentation and the fact I can easily compare and see stats of my players without any kind of lag between windows. This is much more appealing to the avid gamer IMO.
Also the simple fact is FIFA represents the modern game much better on the pitch than PES does. PES is very tactical which is brilliant this year but the tactics you see in PES, you won't really see in real life. Also, in PES you have very mechanical cutback mechanisms for lots of goals.. and turns are simply godly. On FIFA and IRL, this isn't the case.
TBH, PES reminds me of Japanese gaming as opposed to a football simulation nowadays.
PES much more appeals to my gaming side than my football fan side. I love the fact that Master League is addictive and I have a tonne of madeup players in my squad. The growth curve and layout is fantastic. I like the fact lots of players feel different... these kinds of things aren't that important to football fans as a whole. I also like the presentation and the fact I can easily compare and see stats of my players without any kind of lag between windows. This is much more appealing to the avid gamer IMO.
Also the simple fact is FIFA represents the modern game much better on the pitch than PES does. PES is very tactical which is brilliant this year but the tactics you see in PES, you won't really see in real life. Also, in PES you have very mechanical cutback mechanisms for lots of goals.. and turns are simply godly. On FIFA and IRL, this isn't the case.
TBH, PES reminds me of Japanese gaming as opposed to a football simulation nowadays.
trigglebeef
Registered User
I'd go along with that.
Brilliant post.
I experienced this last week when I took my PS3 to a friend's house, and after playing a match or two with both Fifa 09 and PES 2009, people chose Fifa. Now, it's easy, as many would here, to dismiss them as suckers that are falling for eye candy, or something like that. But the truth is that as an overall experience, Fifa has easily surpassed PES. And yes, as you mentioned, going outside of the big leagues is, actually, a big deal.
I root for Sao Paulo, from Brazil, and it is represented with amazing accuracy in Fifa, even down to the teams chants from the supporters. The same is true for nearly all brazilian teams in the game. Sao Paulo was once in PES and it was really a joke. Uniforms, players, everything was completly wrong.
So Fifa has this going for it, but obviously still has its share of problems. The AI of the players can be infuariating at times and, as last year, teams still tend to play a lot like each other. The CPU team always puts an insane amount of pressure on you, regardless of the teams that are involved, rely too much on crosses or through balls, etc. We could go on and on, yes, it is far from perfect. But one can't help but get the feeling that EA/Fifa are really close to finding something special in their next versions, as PES once had. If they are able to solve some of their current problems, it will be no contest.
And I say this because, sadly, Konami/Seabass found a niche, a particular representation of football that is fun, and works well, and decided to simply sit on it. Taking absolutely no chances in the last five years, sometimes even coming up with "features" that nearly everybody doubted that they were actually in the game, as the "teamvision AI", or whatever it was called in PES 2008. It's intresting to see how the argument for PES, some years ago, was about how real it was, how closely it represented the game of football, while Fifa was a stupid pinball-like arcade game (which, actually, it was). When Fifa surpassed PES in the realism department, for PES fans suddenly, it was all about playability, responsiveness, etc.. Realism was no longer that important.
The worst of all this story is that, as is evident by some recent interviews, Seabass is quite happy with PES 2009, thinking that there is nothing wrong with it. Granted, there will always be a camp that will never switch to Fifa, simply because they are used to the PES way and somehow think that this is the "right" way.
I think this is, in a way, terrible. People who really like PES should be even more critical about it, not say... "it's allright that the ML plays the same for five years or that the online is still crap or the lack of licenses, the absolutely pathetic crowd chants, etc, etc". Going this way, appealing for a very small niche of fanatics, dismissing the necessary polish that attracts new and casual gamers, will only make this problems worse.
I own both games, and still play PES way more than Fifa, but I can see this changing in the near future. As much as I try, I can't say that I'm satisfied or that I would recommend the latest PES for a friend of mine. And this, in itself, should be a great cause of concern to Konami - a long time and loyal customer that is about to abandon the ship. But, apparently they don't seem to care. Oh well, good luck then Konami, I'm sure you will need it.
trigglebeef
Registered User
Wise words. Although i have converted to playing Fifa full time now. Pro Evo sadly now has no use to me.
After finishing my Master League in under three seasons, finding the tournaments and champions league modes dreadfully easy and struggling to find any incentive to continute BAL when I can only play the AI online... I'm finding myself falling back to FIFA.
FIFA just has so much to offer. I could go on about the countless skills you can learn then try to apply in a match, the different shooting options, the different games modes, the more expansive and challenging manager mode (due to multiple leagues), the amazing 10v10 BAP, the online interactive leagues, the adidas live seasons which makes every week's online games different.. the list goes on.
FIFA just has so much to offer. I could go on about the countless skills you can learn then try to apply in a match, the different shooting options, the different games modes, the more expansive and challenging manager mode (due to multiple leagues), the amazing 10v10 BAP, the online interactive leagues, the adidas live seasons which makes every week's online games different.. the list goes on.