"I don't like PES'09" Hate it? Well let us know here and only here.

[tylerdurden0]

I don't hate PES but i just thought i would put a 12 sec video of what it's up against.

I know im playing cheltenham town but what a goal!!!

http://www.easportsworld.com/en_US/video/2813882

 

[MysteryMan]

I seriusly hate the ref , he always gives me yellow cards for some dumb fouls and never gives even a foul without cards even if someone makes that annoying slide tackle that obstructs you even tho it goes on the ball , I seriously hate that tackle , whenever there is a slide tackle and someone falls it should almost all the time be a foul , the player is obstructed , that is so annoying , and you can even get a yellow card or one time I got a red card for a foul with the normal pass key , so not the slide tackle which is completely riidicilous.

The second thing I seriously hate is the cheap way for AI to score

First there is corners and free kicks where someone gives a high ball and the opposing player will almost 90% of the time win the header no matter what you do.

Second there is that annoying player switch when I always attack someone away from my goal when he runs then when he passes to another guy it switches to the other defence player of mine and since I was pushing away from my goal it goes away a bit before I turn it around since it switches instantly to the other guy that someone passes the ball and the player has a immediate advantage since he runs straight in especialy with trough balls.

Did I forgot free kicks? The whole complete free kick system needs some sort of overhaul , out of 10 shots 9 will end up either above the goal , upper post or in the wall , there is almost NO ROOM at all to get it in the goal and above the wall , almost NONE , it has to be PERFECT and some luck to get it there , which is ridicilous since in real games that seldom happens , alot of times the ball actually goes in the goal , id rather have the goalkeeper save 10 than have such a ridicilous system.

KONAMI needs to fix AI issues in the next release ASAP!!! Because there is nothing more frustrating for someone than to outplay a team by a huge margin only to draw or lose by conceding such ridicilous goals from which AI cheated not really displayed any skill.

 

[Mr Darkstar]

I think generally the ai is ok but there are some instances where it completley infuriates you.

As for the fouling, the othe day online i got a straight red for the perfect slide tackle, i couldnt belive it!!

the ref does make silly decisions and the way you can almost kill a player of the bal and not get any punishment is ridiculous!

 

[OptimusPrime]

I seriusly hate the ref , he always gives me yellow cards for some dumb fouls and never gives even a foul without cards even if someone makes that annoying slide tackle that obstructs you even tho it goes on the ball , I seriously hate that tackle , whenever there is a slide tackle and someone falls it should almost all the time be a foul , the player is obstructed , that is so annoying , and you can even get a yellow card or one time I got a red card for a foul with the normal pass key , so not the slide tackle which is completely riidicilous.

The second thing I seriously hate is the cheap way for AI to score

First there is corners and free kicks where someone gives a high ball and the opposing player will almost 90% of the time win the header no matter what you do.

Second there is that annoying player switch when I always attack someone away from my goal when he runs then when he passes to another guy it switches to the other defence player of mine and since I was pushing away from my goal it goes away a bit before I turn it around since it switches instantly to the other guy that someone passes the ball and the player has a immediate advantage since he runs straight in especialy with trough balls.

Did I forgot free kicks? The whole complete free kick system needs some sort of overhaul , out of 10 shots 9 will end up either above the goal , upper post or in the wall , there is almost NO ROOM at all to get it in the goal and above the wall , almost NONE , it has to be PERFECT and some luck to get it there , which is ridicilous since in real games that seldom happens , alot of times the ball actually goes in the goal , id rather have the goalkeeper save 10 than have such a ridicilous system.

KONAMI needs to fix AI issues in the next release ASAP!!! Because there is nothing more frustrating for someone than to outplay a team by a huge margin only to draw or lose by conceding such ridicilous goals from which AI cheated not really displayed any skill.

Quoted for emphasis

 

[WEFORLIFE]

Konami, please take action, or we take action!

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I have been supporting Winning Eleven since Winning Eleven 6. I leave FIFA and change to Winning Eleven. Almost all my friends do the same, almost at the same time. We love this game so much. The game is so realistic, and the game play system was a good one. We all love to play Winning Eleven.
BUT, UNFORTUNATELY, We all bought the latest Winning Eleven 2009. To be honest…we are all very disappointed and feel angry. The game just have so many many many stupid flaws.
1) The Passing now is so awful. VERY OFTEN, you can’t even successfully pass to a nearby teammate. WHY? This is very annoying. This is so UNREALISTIC! Sometimes, it give us impressions that all the players in the game are retarded. Can’t even deliver a normal pass. The passing is always not to the direction which you want or it ALWAYS FAIL to deliver the ball EVEN to your nearest teammate. ALWAYS the teammate must run to another direction to pick the lose ball, which is supposed be delivered to his feet!
2) When an opponent player are running down the flank near the line, ALWAYS the AI will automatically send my side back and center back to run towards the opponent player WITHOUT I pressing the square button (team mate pressure)! Why? When we only press X button, and the cursor is on the nearest player to the opponent, Why the other teammate still running to the opponent’s direction like we had pressed the square button?
3) WHY CPU ALWAYS SLIDE TACKLE WITHOUT OUR COMMAND!!!!!??????? WHY?????!!!!!
4) THE Running is so stupid !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!! WHY AMF ALWAYS not in the position to attack??? When we have the chance to launch a counter attack, ALWAYS, the strikers are standing too far always from all the teammates! Usually, in all the previous series, when we successfully halt opponent’s attack and turn it into a counter attack, we will always play a fast passing game in order to create a deadly counter attack, eg. (just only one of the method) Defender gets ball (near to own penalty box) , pass to DMF or CMF (at center midfield), then from DMF or CMF to AMF (further midfield), then from AMF to striker. All the passing need to be done in very fast way. BUT IN 2009!, ALWAYS! Front line attacking midfielders are always not there, and yet, the strikers are either IN OWN HALF(dreaming, thus not ready to counter attack!) or there is no midfielders at front line ready to receive ball and make the final pass to the strikers!!! The gap between the nearest teammate to the strikers are CRAZY!
5) THE game just stop even when you are attacking AND you already reached the opponent’s penalty box!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG!!!!!! I almost THROW my controller!!!! EVEN CRAZY is one time, the opponent’s defender make a stupid pass to my striker, and you know what, the whistle blows! =.=!!!
6) Shoot! Hahaha…… I really can’t believe that even the top striker in the world just always shoot direct to the goalkeeper or ALWAYS SHOOT WIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hahahahaha……Sad that Konami make the game stupid rather than develop AI……..
7) CAN ANYONE TEACH ME HOW TO DELIVER A PROPER FREEKICK????????????? CAN KONAMI PLEASE TEACH US???????????????????????????? ??? PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE?!! ???!!!
8) Others…
We all feel so sad, disappointed, angry. We can’t believe that KONAMI launch a product which have so many flaws.. Believe me, I never complaint about Winning Eleven. We all love Winning Eleven. Thus, we urge KONAMI to really conduct research to your latest WE product, WE 2009. Know the problems and not to repeat in next game! If you would want to know more, if you care, you could just search in this forum to find out more of the problem exists in this game. SERIOUSLY, we are shocked, still unable to believe that KONAMI has launch this game which has so many flaws, which has KILL it’s beautiful and realistic game play. No more fun when we play it.
Please, If you still love us, please don’t repeat same problem. Don’t force your fans to abandon you. We change from Fifa to WE. We can also change from WE to others or back to FIFA, which we really do not want it to happen. Don’t take the fans loyalty as granted.

 

[Tech_Skill]

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Definitely, and i'd like to say Beynd thought has been spot on for most of this long drawn out arguement.

Let me just say, i've been playing International Superstar Soccer since N64, years before Iss pro evolution came out on PSX. I had ISS 2000 on N64 so let me start by saying, Pro NEVER copied become a legend from FIFA, ISS had their idea 9 years ago, way before EA did their version of it.

Quite simply Pro evolution soccer has been on the decline since it tried to go next generation in 2007-2008. This is where the problems began, but I think the simple fact, is that Pro evolution has been sold out, gone commercial, Pop, if you like.

Years ago on PSX the game didnt have the mass popularity it did now, mainly because it wasnt a pick up and play compared to the other offerings out there, the things which made the game stand out for me back then was the freedom the game gave you. Im talking in terms of player movement, tactics, finishing, the player animations were far superior to anything out there, players were genuinely two footed, players were individual in terms of having unique skill sets which benefited your team in different ways. Most of all, the game made you think about how to break down opposition using passing, accuracy and tactics, and these great things were present in both single and mutiplayer.

The days of konami making a great football game, purely for the sake of making a great game, are over. These days Konami doesnt want to cater for the original audience that bought into the idea of a standalone small team of guys who took on the Corporate EA trash and embarassed them for many years.

Because thats what pro evolution soccer was about, a couple of guys, who took on an empire by simply making a game which catered to true football fans, a game which didnt sell out gameplay for licenses and a game that was so realistic for its time, its didnt need a single license.

PES is not Pro Evolution Soccer in my eyes, PES is a watered down, arcade, pick up and play, corporate evil twin. Back in the day, Pro evolution soccer was numbered, because when it was ready, it was ready. None of this rushing one out every fucking year regardless of how shit it was, (like Fifa 97-2007). So when the named changed to PES 2008, alarm bells started ringing.

The game clearly hasnt moved on anymore, simple as that, years ago, the powerbar meter was actually a big thing, on FIFA, you just pressed a button and the ball goes in the top corner end of. These days, that idea doesnt mean as much, it hasnt added enough touches, to warrant the cash people pay for it.

I had copies of PES 2009 on XBOX 360 snd PS2, game was absolutely shocking, how anyone who has played pro from day 1, can look at themselves and say this is an improvement over ANY pro evolution Soccer game (aka 1-6), I dont know.

Some of the few flaws with this version, none of which have been solved since PES 2008 (one of the worst football games in recent years)

-Horrible passing
-8 directional movement
-Shocking Music and commentary
-Clunky shooting and finishing
-More AI Scripting (the test for AI scripting is Top player, exhibition, Vs Barca at nou camp, see how times you play them without conceding crazy goals)
-Rubbish stadiums, for some reason a few of them still in Portugal (there is a better stadium choice in the ps2 version, which itself is embarrassing)
-Tired Shooting animations.
-Same old master league which has hardly changed a bit since PES 3 (contrary to what others think, this was arguably the best pro evo, i can talk about that another day)
-Awful player movement, players actually running away from goal on the attack etc.
-Shocking Crowd Chanting/Sound of ball

I can explain all these points and much much at length if needed.

Bottom Line is this, after 10 years of making shocking games, EA sports listened to their fans, and the role have clearly been reversed, FIFA 09 plays more like the PS1/PS2 versions of Pro evo and Pro evo is playing more and more like the awful FIFA game, its a sick joke, but its the case. The only way pro evolution soccer can come back is when the people are ready to dissect the problems and demand a change.

Standing by and praising Konami (ok seabass) for ruining 10 years of good work in the space of two video games wont solve any problems, identifying problems, solves problems.

Its not about Loyalty, its about playing the best football game.

 

[TH14-TW14]

at the end of the day ill still pick pes ova fifa cause fifa is shite whats so good about running in a straight line and scoring fuck all good thats what compared to pes which is a challenge

 

[nickpring]

at the end of the day ill still pick pes ova fifa cause fifa is shite whats so good about running in a straight line and scoring fuck all good thats what compared to pes which is a challenge

FIFA isn't that bad, mate.

Infact, FIFA is brilliant, and I've played both PES and FIFA this year. I always used to be a PES Boy, but, this year's FIFA is the best.

 

[Tech_Skill]

at the end of the day ill still pick pes ova fifa cause fifa is shite whats so good about running in a straight line and scoring fuck all good thats what compared to pes which is a challenge

Nah, thats not the case.

This whole "FIFA is easy" thing is a myth imo, the AI is far clever in terms of marking space, making runs, and compacting the midfield.

In PES the CPU does most of the stuff for you, you dont have to properly weight passes and through balls and all the AI does is rush at you full speed, whether its attack or defense.

How can that be harder than FIFA 09 in which you weight each pass according to player difference, plus add direction.

Put Shooting, passing and crossing on manual, then come back and tell me fifa is easy. lol.

Pick which every one you like, but i would say dont be ignorant, i was.

I walked into my local game store and told the manager fifa 09 was shit and i was embarrassed for getting it (fanboy mentality), he rightly looked at me like an idiot and told me to give the game a good go, then judge.

A few points about FIFA 09 in comparision to PES 2009

Real passing, game wants to you to learn to weight a pass as well as direct it, this makes possession an actual skill, especially in an away game where the midfield is compact. During a game of fifa to link a move to together you will have a weight each ball differently according to player distance, as well as direct it.
-Superior AI, computer plays off shoulder off last defender and times off side trap, they will mark space to strangle you out of possession rather than simply running full speed at whoever has the ball.
-Shooting, fifa's finishing is far more advanced, far more shooting animations and ways to finish with both feet.
-360 degree movement (nearly) "What's this, i can move a player, pass and move in more than 8 directions?"
-Heading, Do i even need to go here, its well knowing fifa heading system is far superior.
-Defending, more ways to defend including jossling players off the ball and calling other defenders for help, plus tacking actually works against players like Messi and Ibra, they dont just go though you as if your not there
-Better collision dectection, 50/50's are won properly, they dont automatically go back to the CPU, and the CPU players dont fall over then miraculously get up in a nano-second to retrive the ball like on pes.
-Better graphics, though pes 2009 has better faces than fifa hands down
-Manager Mode, "Whats this, i can change teams mid-career and talk to the press, plus use REAL money"
-PK's, you have full control of placement, its has a power bar, you can even chip the keeper from PK's
-Far more comprehensive Stats on player improvement, goals, and track record in the manager mode.

Thats what I found, and thats my opinion.

 

[TH14-TW14]

btw i had fifa 09 mate it is too easy i play all of you and beat you with arsenal yes they have improved the gameplay BUT ITS STILL NOT A FUCKIN CHALLENGE EVEN WORLD CLASS YOU CAN THRASH TEAMS 6-0

 

[nickpring]

btw i had fifa 09 mate it is too easy i play all of you and beat you with arsenal yes they have improved the gameplay BUT ITS STILL NOT A FUCKIN CHALLENGE EVEN WORLD CLASS YOU CAN THRASH TEAMS 6-0

Arsenal are over-rated on FIFA 09 though. Anyone would tell you that. It's not too easy to play, at all. Legendary difficulty level is hard to play on.

 

[Tech_Skill]

Arsenal are over-rated on FIFA 09 though. Anyone would tell you that. It's not too easy to play, at all. Legendary difficulty level is hard to play on.

Of course it isnt and the idea that its far easier than pes 2009, when PES2009 gives you little control over players beats me. PES 2009 is very automated, you dont control as much.

Example, you dont have to think as about weighting crosses and passes, its a one button press, cpu does the rest.

It makes no sense, i played PES for nearly 10 years, went about 4/5 seasons highest diffuiculty ML without losing a league game.

When i jumped to FIFA and actually had to WEIGHT a pass, rather than just pressing X and Triangle the whole time, that was a challenge in itself in terms of linking full flowing moves together.

 

[nickpring]

I also think FIFA flows a lot better this year, some of the passing moves you can put together is great, it really gives you a lot of control over the game. PES for me, still feels a bit heavy and doesn't flow that much.

 

[TH14-TW14]

arsenal are not overated on fifa mate have you got the fuckin live season u twit all the stats are nowshite if anything liverpool are fuckin overated in real life and any one who uses man u or liverpool are proven noobs cause they arselick ronaldo and torres thats what i played at and it was easy fifa 09 the fact that i can beat chelsea online with blackpool is a joke lol is the exact same as 08 except for a few tweaks like y didnt they keep the moves thing which was awesome on 08 and plus 09 loses it charm afta about a 2months anyway rant over

 

[nickpring]

arsenal are not overated on fifa mate have you got the fuckin live season u twit all the stats are nowshite if anything liverpool are fuckin overated in real life and any one who uses man u or liverpool are proven noobs cause they arselick ronaldo and torres thats what i played at and it was easy fifa 09 the fact that i can beat chelsea online with blackpool is a joke lol is the exact same as 08 except for a few tweaks like y didnt they keep the moves thing which was awesome on 08 and plus 09 loses it charm afta about a 2months anyway rant over

They are over-rated. Adebayor and van Persie rip anyone to pieces. To me, that's the same as the 'arse lickers' with Ronaldo and Torres. Yes, I do have the Live Season form updates, and at the moment, Arsenal's stats are all over the place, but, their still virtually impossible to beat. I don't use either Liverpool or Man Utd. And, if you beat Chelsea with Blackpool online, then that player who used Chelsea must not have been very good, or you might be very good.

What moves thing?

I've had FIFA 09 since release date, and tbh, I haven't put it down or looked back, it's simply the best football game out at the moment.

 

[Tech_Skill]

I also think FIFA flows a lot better this year, some of the passing moves you can put together is great, it really gives you a lot of control over the game. PES for me, still feels a bit heavy and doesn't flow that much.

For me, its the way it plays in midfield, it shocked me. AI doesnt rush you down the whole time mindlessly chasing the ball. It will contain, watch, hold, when you move into an area, it goes for the ball, as a result midfield can be very compact and you have no chance of running through it with one guy.

The game forces you to exploit a gap with timing and weighting of passes, then you make space and shoot or playmake.

Its one of the few games ive played where keeping possession is a SKILL, rather than an exercise in just pressing X and not worrying about the rest.

 

[nickpring]

For me, its the way it plays in midfield, it shocked me. AI doesnt rush you down the whole time mindlessly chasing the ball. It will contain, watch, hold, when you move into an area, it goes for the ball, as a result midfield can be very compact and you have no chance of running through it with one guy.

The game forces you to exploit a gap with timing and weighting of passes, then you make space and shoot or playmake.

Its one of the few games ive played where keeping possession is a SKILL, rather than an exercise in just pressing X and not worrying about the rest.

I definitely agree with that. I guess some people prefer to just run with the ball for 90 minutes, that frustrates me. You can do it on PES, just get the ball and run. That's not football...

 

[TH14-TW14]

nick i dont even use rvp i use vela and the guy i played when i was blackpool was 450 in the world and i know numbers mean fuck all just thought it was good but i found fifa just 2 easy mate thats y i went back 2 pes so dont start having a go its just what i think

 

[Tech_Skill]

I definitely agree with that. I guess some people prefer to just run with the ball for 90 minutes, that frustrates me. You can do it on PES, just get the ball and run. That's not football...

Of course, but thats how bad PES has got over the last 2 years. U get these fucking knobs who pass it to Ronaldinho and its RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN, shoot.

RUN RUN RUN RUN Cutback, shoot.

RUN RUN RUN RUN shoot, follow up rebound and shoot.

Followed by.....

"Greatest game ever" "Get into it and you will love it"

Apparently im told this is realistic and how modern football is actually played.

 

[nickpring]

nick i dont even use rvp i use vela and the guy i played when i was blackpool was 450 in the world and i know numbers mean fuck all just thought it was good but i found fifa just 2 easy mate thats y i went back 2 pes so dont start having a go its just what i think

I'm not having a go. If that's what you prefer, then fair enough. We all have our preferences, mate.

Of course, but thats how bad PES has got over the last 2 years. U get these fucking knobs who pass it to Ronaldinho and its RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN, shoot.

RUN RUN RUN RUN Cutback, shoot.

RUN RUN RUN RUN shoot, follow up rebound and shoot.

Followed by.....

"Greatest game ever" "Get into it and you will love it"

Apparently im told this is realistic and how modern football is actually played.

:lol: yeah, I agree. That is the way PES has gone, it's a shame really, as it used to be my favourite game. Round about PES 5 I think.

I'll still continue to buy their releases though, in hope that they do produce a better game.