The GAMESCOM Thread

[iosonocanadese]

1) Ah, so you're one of THOSE. You're the kind I hate playing against online. On FIFA, I bet you hold down the A and sprint buttons constantly while your opponent has the ball, and when you have it, you either constantly play through balls or just make huge, unstoppable 100-yard runs down the touchline with Cristiano Ronaldo, am I right? Least fun and least realistic way possible to play, but also the most effective by far.

There is always a way to cheat. No AI can be perfect. Running down the wing and cutting back worked in pre-Teamvision PES as well, as was noted earlier in the thread. I remember reading that this year's PES will implement some sort of player fatigue (can't recall the details) making it more difficult to use game-spoiling tactics like sprinting the length of the pitch. Hopefully it works.

2) Dude, FIFA is all scripting. That's the basis of the PES>FIFA argument. When people talk about FIFA not having the same variation in play as ISS/PES, this is what they're talking about. Playing FIFA you quickly develop patters for doing things because that's the way the AI works, and that's why it gets so boring so quickly. I agree when you say there's more scripting since PES '08 than in previous versions of the game, but your argument is a bit strange. Of course player movement is controlled by the computer. As of yet, man has not devised a game controller that provides a way for someone to control more than one player at a time. In FIFA the players stand around, in PES they move. If that's scripting, then it's the kind I like. As for the computer fouling, I agree that that's not kosher. Goalkeepers dropping balls is realistic. Hard shots are difficult to catch, and often you'll see even the best goalkeepers fumble a shot and then dive on it. Defenders running away from attackers? Are you sure you're not talking about FIFA? In FIFA CPU teammates are oblivious to each other. If you get past your man, nobody will come to help that defender out. In '09 they improved it a bit, now you can run un-opposed and once you get into the 18 yard box someone will leave their marker and come after you. I've yet to see an attacker randomly give up on a ball and have yet to see a defender randomly give a striker a clean route to goal. That's just my personal experience, though. I think PES '09 had some crippling issues, but AI wasn't one of them.

 

[RAMAXWY]

1) Ah, so you're one of THOSE. You're the kind I hate playing against online. On FIFA, I bet you hold down the A and sprint buttons constantly while your opponent has the ball, and when you have it, you either constantly play through balls or just make huge, unstoppable 100-yard runs down the touchline with Cristiano Ronaldo, am I right? Least fun and least realistic way possible to play, but also the most effective by far.

There is always a way to cheat. No AI can be perfect. Running down the wing and cutting back worked in pre-Teamvision PES as well, as was noted earlier in the thread. I remember reading that this year's PES will implement some sort of player fatigue (can't recall the details) making it more difficult to use game-spoiling tactics like sprinting the length of the pitch. Hopefully it works.

2) Dude, FIFA is all scripting. That's the basis of the PES>FIFA argument. When people talk about FIFA not having the same variation in play as ISS/PES, this is what they're talking about. Playing FIFA you quickly develop patters for doing things because that's the way the AI works, and that's why it gets so boring so quickly. I agree when you say there's more scripting since PES '08 than in previous versions of the game, but your argument is a bit strange. Of course player movement is controlled by the computer. As of yet, man has not devised a game controller that provides a way for someone to control more than one player at a time. In FIFA the players stand around, in PES they move. If that's scripting, then it's the kind I like. As for the computer fouling, I agree that that's not kosher. Goalkeepers dropping balls is realistic. Hard shots are difficult to catch, and often you'll see even the best goalkeepers fumble a shot and then dive on it. Defenders running away from attackers? Are you sure you're not talking about FIFA? In FIFA CPU teammates are oblivious to each other. If you get past your man, nobody will come to help that defender out. In '09 they improved it a bit, now you can run un-opposed and once you get into the 18 yard box someone will leave their marker and come after you. I've yet to see an attacker randomly give up on a ball and have yet to see a defender randomly give a striker a clean route to goal. That's just my personal experience, though. I think PES '09 had some crippling issues, but AI wasn't one of them.

for real man, WELCOME TO PESGAMING and were have u been all those years seeing you just registered this year ?.

 

[shankly is god]

1) Ah, so you're one of THOSE. You're the kind I hate playing against online. On FIFA, I bet you hold down the A and sprint buttons constantly while your opponent has the ball, and when you have it, you either constantly play through balls or just make huge, unstoppable 100-yard runs down the touchline with Cristiano Ronaldo, am I right? Least fun and least realistic way possible to play, but also the most effective by far.

There is always a way to cheat. No AI can be perfect. Running down the wing and cutting back worked in pre-Teamvision PES as well, as was noted earlier in the thread. I remember reading that this year's PES will implement some sort of player fatigue (can't recall the details) making it more difficult to use game-spoiling tactics like sprinting the length of the pitch. Hopefully it works.

2) Dude, FIFA is all scripting. That's the basis of the PES>FIFA argument. When people talk about FIFA not having the same variation in play as ISS/PES, this is what they're talking about. Playing FIFA you quickly develop patters for doing things because that's the way the AI works, and that's why it gets so boring so quickly. I agree when you say there's more scripting since PES '08 than in previous versions of the game, but your argument is a bit strange. Of course player movement is controlled by the computer. As of yet, man has not devised a game controller that provides a way for someone to control more than one player at a time. In FIFA the players stand around, in PES they move. If that's scripting, then it's the kind I like. As for the computer fouling, I agree that that's not kosher. Goalkeepers dropping balls is realistic. Hard shots are difficult to catch, and often you'll see even the best goalkeepers fumble a shot and then dive on it. Defenders running away from attackers? Are you sure you're not talking about FIFA? In FIFA CPU teammates are oblivious to each other. If you get past your man, nobody will come to help that defender out. In '09 they improved it a bit, now you can run un-opposed and once you get into the 18 yard box someone will leave their marker and come after you. I've yet to see an attacker randomly give up on a ball and have yet to see a defender randomly give a striker a clean route to goal. That's just my personal experience, though. I think PES '09 had some crippling issues, but AI wasn't one of them.

could not have said it better myself....

 

[iosonocanadese]

*steps off soapbox*

I really hope there are more licensed teams from the more 'minor' european leagues, that's one thing I really wanted to see. My hopes soared through the roof when I saw the list on wiki but it's fake, again.

 

[shankly is god]

*steps off soapbox*

I really hope there are more licensed teams from the more 'minor' european leagues, that's one thing I really wanted to see. My hopes soared through the roof when I saw the list on wiki but it's fake, again.

http://pes2008editing.blogspot.com/

there is a teams list on there that konami have confirmed

 

[iosonocanadese]

^Yeah, seen that already, but I'm hoping there will be more teams from more of the smaller leagues, like Bosnia & Herzegovina, Romania, Ukraine, Serbia & Montenegro, Austria, Switzerland, Belgium, Norway, Croatia, as well as some of the teams from the really small leagues that are participating in UEFA competitions, like teams from Belarus, Cyprus, Slovakia, Hungary, Slovenia, Northern Ireland, etc. Because for me, particularly a UEFA Cup that only includes teams from the bigger leagues doesn't really feel like the UEFA Cup, if you know what I mean. I'd find it really cool to play as the minnows in the CL and Europa League to be honest; and one of my favourite things about PES is that they make the kits very detailed, which for me makes the teams in PES feel so much more real than the same teams in FIFA.

 

[shaun7]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nUf7otEYTE&feature=player_embedded

IS IT JUST ME OR DOES THIS LOOK GOOD.

Ofcourse. The speed looks slower and the play looks much smoother.

Testify my brother...

@ Tech - your talking about fifa 10 there which does look amazingly improved but if it still has that 1 issue that pisses me off where playing on pro all defenders are faster than worldclass forwards...im going to pass im afraid

Excactly. Another rissue. We all complained about AI CHEATING in pes 09. Guess what. It was there in fifa 09 aswell and that was the most annoying things. A defender can never match an attacker (like messi, torres eto) in speed.

 

[shankly is god]

Ofcourse. The speed looks slower and the play looks much smoother.


Excactly. Another rissue. We all complained about AI CHEATING in pes 09. Guess what. It was there in fifa 09 aswell and that was the most annoying things. A defender can never match an attacker (like messi, torres eto) in speed.

exactly I mean i sold sami hypia to arsenal and i played them the next fixture and in one set of play i made a gerrard style pass with babel and torres got the ball he was clear 1 on 1 with the keeper.. so all i had to do was run with the ball a good 20 yards with torres no problem right? but sami oh sami not only caught up with a full paced torres but overtook and made a silly bump tackle..

pisses me off that does as the game is full of it

 

[Tech_Skill]

1) Ah, so you're one of THOSE. You're the kind I hate playing against online. On FIFA, I bet you hold down the A and sprint buttons constantly while your opponent has the ball, and when you have it, you either constantly play through balls or just make huge, unstoppable 100-yard runs down the touchline with Cristiano Ronaldo, am I right? Least fun and least realistic way possible to play, but also the most effective by far.

There is always a way to cheat. No AI can be perfect. Running down the wing and cutting back worked in pre-Teamvision PES as well, as was noted earlier in the thread. I remember reading that this year's PES will implement some sort of player fatigue (can't recall the details) making it more difficult to use game-spoiling tactics like sprinting the length of the pitch. Hopefully it works.

2) Dude, FIFA is all scripting. That's the basis of the PES>FIFA argument. When people talk about FIFA not having the same variation in play as ISS/PES, this is what they're talking about. Playing FIFA you quickly develop patters for doing things because that's the way the AI works, and that's why it gets so boring so quickly. I agree when you say there's more scripting since PES '08 than in previous versions of the game, but your argument is a bit strange. Of course player movement is controlled by the computer. As of yet, man has not devised a game controller that provides a way for someone to control more than one player at a time. In FIFA the players stand around, in PES they move. If that's scripting, then it's the kind I like. As for the computer fouling, I agree that that's not kosher. Goalkeepers dropping balls is realistic. Hard shots are difficult to catch, and often you'll see even the best goalkeepers fumble a shot and then dive on it. Defenders running away from attackers? Are you sure you're not talking about FIFA? In FIFA CPU teammates are oblivious to each other. If you get past your man, nobody will come to help that defender out. In '09 they improved it a bit, now you can run un-opposed and once you get into the 18 yard box someone will leave their marker and come after you. I've yet to see an attacker randomly give up on a ball and have yet to see a defender randomly give a striker a clean route to goal. That's just my personal experience, though. I think PES '09 had some crippling issues, but AI wasn't one of them.

A whole paragraph of stuff which means little.

Look at your own interpretation of team vision

Then look at what I wrote.

Please do not tell me the AI in pes can stop exploits and actually stops you doing the same tactics over and over again......it doesnt.

Hence youve answered you own question on the validity of teamvision.

This is basic level pes talk now. Teamvision is trash, it clearly doesnt do what it is supposed to do, and for you to suggest AI isnt a problem in pes 09......well,......

Go to the pes 09 forum and see the threads about it.

If anyone who has actually played pes before pes 4, who actually knows about the game they are talking about, wants to speak.

Speak now, or hold your peace.

 

[RAMAXWY]

too bad i have to go because it just got interesting but duty calls so later.
btw ELVIS(TECH) HAS LEFT THE BUILDING. LOL.
he's back now i'm really pissed i gotta go.

 

[Perfectstrik]

Don't be cranky. The game will be better than in many years. The people who remember PES at its haydays have forgot that there was problems then too. Cutbacks and bad physical values that made the game easy to predict and the "best" players all played the same style. (for example the people who played in the ECs all played the same) Not so much fun if I say so myself.

finally some one who talks sense!!!!!

your right pes has never been a perfect game and the ps2 versions where a joke,compare any ps2 pes against konamis perfect striker 3 on the ps2 and pes plays like a automated one dimensional short pass sim.

Its only the last two years that the crossing and long pass has improved as well as team mate ai off the ball and dont start me off on the pressing button and the non existent defending in the ps2 versions of pes.The reason half of you struggle with pes08-09 is because all you ever use is the short pass or l1+circle to cross.

everybody makes out and people like adam on wenb are the worst that pes5-6 are these perfect simulations of football when they where far from it.

The truth is konami where making better games before pes and finally in this console generation we are seeing the fruits of a much better more measured realistic game of football.

As for peopple stating that i said pes2010 at gamescom is only 10%,i actually meant that it only has 10% of the new animation set and the other 90% of animations are pes09s.

Are you people totally stupid pes2010 is not a new game built from scratch its a evolution of last years game built on top of pes09 and is in the process of having its full newer animation set added and what we are seeing at gamescom is a older build that demonstrates the newer graphics and the tweaks to the gameplay but its not finished.

your all completely over reacting like this is the finished product when that is 2 months away.

Its the same on every site people reading to much into a month old demo at gamescom.

 

[shankly is god]

ifa 09 is full of noobs who always hold A to tackle and pass the ball in the box across the keeper for a certian tap in goal....

 

[iosonocanadese]

Aaaah, so now the threshold has been pushed back even further. It's not just prior to Teamvision, now it's before PES 4? I would have been, umm... 13 when that was released. My, they've been shit for quite a long time. My gap is from ISS 64 to PES 5, so I suppose I'm unworthy. I'd better go out and buy PES 3, then, and see what a real football sim feels like, huh?

 

[Tech_Skill]

ifa 09 is full of noobs who always hold A to tackle and pass the ball in the box across the keeper for a certian tap in goal....

Wev'e been here before, and we know which game offers more control than the other.

Some of the statements on this forum............

Shocking level of knowledge

Ive just had one poster tell me the AI in pes 2009 isnt a big problem and that defenders dont run away from attackers or attackers dont run away from goal.

Didnt know stevie wonder was a member on pesgaming.

 

[iosonocanadese]

Nice, carrying on with the ad hominem arguments without offering a shred of reasoning to back yourself up. I can't believe I'm in a friggin flame war over a video game. This is how boring my job is. And still three hours to go til I get to go home. Such fun.

Anyway.

One of the things I like about FIFA for the last 6 editions is that you can send your players on runs. PES should implement that. Other than that, the level of control you get on PES is much better and always has been. On ISS 64 you could even bend your shots and passes by jamming the analog stick in a direction after kicking the ball. In FIFA the passes have always been more scripted, as has dribbling. Your argument holds little water. Gasp.

 

[shankly is god]

Wev'e been here before, and we know which game offers more control than the other.

Some of the statements on this forum............

Shocking level of knowledge

Ive just had one poster tell me the AI in pes 2009 isnt a big problem and that defenders dont run away from attackers or attackers dont run away from goal.

Didnt know stevie wonder was a member on pesgaming.

no point in you posting that kid..didnt answer my post at all you know that 99% of all fifa online games are full of people who win 6,7 - 0 just scoring tap in goals...oh yea and scoring from halfway line...

your right about the AI in pes however but on a higher difficulty level sorts it out enough

 

[Tech_Skill]

no point in you posting that kid..didnt answer my post at all you know that 99% of all fifa online games are full of people who win 6,7 - 0 just scoring tap in goals...oh yea and scoring from halfway line...

your right about the AI in pes however but on a higher difficulty level sorts it out enough

I dont follow fifa online games, but yup there was an issue with half way line exploit, but thats been looked at for fifa 10.

You boys still waiting for that 70% build of pes to come out right?

I mean the fact it got killed at gamescom (and e3) by a game for noobs cant be easy to take.

Never mind though, its all a big plan by seabass, to make you think the game is shit, thats why he's showing 50% builds of the game at gamescom right, cant wait to see these 300 extra animations they have added.

...........................

Delusional.

 

[iosonocanadese]

Tech Skill... you remind me of Radiohead fans. These kids worship whatever's written on pitchfork media and snobby indie mags and whatever they say is the law. They refuse to open their ears and actually try listening to music instead of just listening to what's supposed to be good and hip and in. It's not so much that you defend FIFA to death but that you refuse to believe there could be anything about PES that's not absolutely awful. You're a fanboy. you're inventing a consensus out of thin air that PES is terrible; maybe that's what they're saying on the FIFA fanboy forums, but not anywhere else that I've seen.

 

[Tech_Skill]

Tech Skill... you remind me of Radiohead fans. These kids worship whatever's written on pitchfork media and snobby indie mags and whatever they say is the law. They refuse to open their ears and actually try listening to music instead of just listening to what's supposed to be good and hip and in. It's not so much that you defend FIFA to death but that you refuse to believe there could be anything about PES that's not absolutely awful. You're a fanboy. you're inventing a consensus out of thin air that PES is terrible; maybe that's what they're saying on the FIFA fanboy forums, but not anywhere else.

Again, you dont have a clue,

There are numerous AI cheating threads for you to educate yourself on, because you obviously didnt know it existed, you can also go on to evo web, and see the reaction on their as the videos were announced for further confirmation.

I mean you cant even understand the basic concept that being able to score the same 2/3 goals every time against the computer completely defeats the idea of teamvision (which you yourself defined) and started some long ass rubbish about fifa and "pes's ai isnt perfect" which had fuck all do with what was asked.

Check evo web forums, for the discontent on whats been shown, infact dont, just buy pes 2010, then pop back into the feedback forum a week later with a list of shit to change.

lol.

 

[shankly is god]

I dont follow fifa online games, but yup there was an issue with half way line exploit, but thats been looked at for fifa 10.

You boys still waiting for that 70% build of pes to come out right?

I mean the fact it got killed at gamescom (and e3) by a game for noobs cant be easy to take.

Never mind though, its all a big plan by seabass, to make you think the game is shit, thats why he's showing 50% builds of the game at gamescom right, cant wait to see these 300 extra animations they have added.

...........................

Delusional.

please search through this forum and display once where i have mentioned % builds and how serious it can be praying that it will get better when they finish of some % of pes...

ill say this one last time I look at pics/vids/ what konami actually says and i make my decision based on current affairs not "what could be"