PES Rage Thread: Rage till your heart's content...

[muscularmatt]

LOLOFFENDINGPEOPLEISFUN

But seriously, FIFA 11 is totally crap. Please don't speak of it again in this place.

 

[Ultimate777]

In doing so, you are talking about something that is rather redundant or inconclusive since it has little to do with the game itself.

So you think the gamers and their abilities have nothing to do with the game and their perception of it? Is that what you seriously believe?

I know that some people are not good at the game and as a result complain about the game, but there are other people who simply do not like the game for other reasons.

Yes but you'll notice most of the individuals who complain of this ''cheating'' which they cling on to being an undisputed fact, are simply not good enough and seek to deflect attention away from that by placing the blame on konami rather than themselves.

You cannot attack everyone who does not like the game because you think he must suck at the game, because that would make it your opinion, and your opinion at the end of the day is not above the opinion of other players.

I never said or made out my opinion was above everyone elses merely highlighted a point that I feel entitled to make.

I fall in the group of people who are good at the game but do not feel the game is an improvement, for reasons that have nothing to do with my ability as a player and everything to do with what the actual video game offers to the player.

I think you fall into the group of neurotic individuals that have an irrational hatred towards the game because it doesn't do everything you expect it to do even though no one said it would.

Which is why I talk, not about the players themselves, but about the game itself, since the ability of the player means fuck all due to obvious reasons.

The ability of the player is crucial to them having a perception of the game. If someone is unable to get to grips and understand the dynamics of the game then they're more prone to say that there is a fault with the game rather than admit that they need to give it more time to adjust to it. Impatience is an issue here as they're not willing to give it the time to get to grips with it, they expect it to still be easy

I have owned PES11 for over three months now, my cousin bought FIFA11 and forgot about PES11, I asked for PES11 and sold my own copy, I still have PES11 but I never play it anymore; when you say that I made up my mind after three days of playing the game, that is also your small minded opinion, far from the truth.

Right so what happened to your cousins copy when I asked you to play me and you said you didn't have a copy? Or did you call up your cousin and say ''hey cous, do me a favour, I got some guy called football777 who's ready to slap me down on pro and prove I'm not very good, so come and get it quick so I can say I ain't got it otherwise I'm going to get owned big time'' Obviously all said in spanish I might add.

As for having it for just 3 days before despatching, that isn't my ''opinion'' that is what you said in your own words kiddo. Do you want me to get the quote? But you change your story every month to something different when it suits you so you don't have to back it up what you say.

As for the improved passing: why is it an improvement when the scripting has gotten worst?

There is scripting in every game this is a fact that you don;t undersand. I don't find it worse in regards to the passing but we can say that is personal opinion but there is no doubt the options of the placement and weight of a pass lies much more with the control of the player rather than the AI

In your opinion it is an improvement, and I obviously disagree with your opinion.

Goood for youuu!!! You get an A star plus son.

I focus on facts because arguing about opinions is not something conclusive: how the fuck can you say that I do not like PES11 because I am not good at PES11? what type of evidence do you have to support your claim?

Then why did you crap your pants when I asked you to play me if you were supposedly good at the game? You bitched out and continue to bitch out of playing me one on one to prove that you're any good. Also your points of frustration explaining that you feel you could no longer breeze past players with messi or just tap triangle to laser through pass it with xavi tells me you're skills are basic and very primitive and one dimensional. While unwilling to find out alternative strategies/game plans of using to adjust and break down a defense without using/abusing the likes of messi and xavi

At the end of the day, you are putting your opinion above my opinion because you think you are the real deal, which is the usual pompous bullshit that you write; on the other hand, I am talking about facts that we can all experience, facts that affect the experience regardless of your opinion about the game and regardless of your opinion about yourself as a player.

Here we go, where did I say to that I was ''the real deal'' in response to any of your points in regards to pro? I said that comment in response to some kid that was trying to make out I was a fraud and a liar. It was nothing to do with my view as a player of the game. But here you go putting yourself on a pedestal doing exactly what you accuse me of ie placing opinions above others by stating your views as facts as if you've personally engineered the game and have the codes and scripts to understand it when in reality what you propose is merely a theory that you've crying about from the last 5+ years attributing it to every pro that's been released.

I think I mostly write objective things when it comes to PES, what I think you want to hear is something positive, which would not necessarily make it objective.

No I don't want to hear just positive things,as I have issues with the game myself. I just like reading paranoid rubbish and exaggeration polished up and presented as undisputable facts.

One of the few positive things that I can say about PES11 is that before the patch it was a decent game that showed potential; however, the patched game has gone backwards and has done more harm than good.

Oh right so you thought it was alright before the ''evil'' patch came in and ruined the game for you? Is that right? You're truly unbelievable you know that. I never ever recall you saying that the game was up to your standards and then suddenly taking a u-turn when the patch was released.

The passing system, I do not like it and therefore I do not describe it as something positive, in my opinion it does not fit in with the rest of the game.

That's because you have to place the passes yourself instead of the ai doing it for you. This is something you have to learn to deal with

Passing the ball and playing the game feels like a shore, this does not make the game difficult, this just makes the game feel like a shore: a video game should not feel like a shore, realism should not feel like a shore.

I think you mean chore my friend, but it only feels like a chore because you're having to put the effort and thought into what you're doing. Obviously you don't want to do that as you just expect to be able to drink and eat your soda and fries while you play and win. Well I got news for you - gamers like to have control over what they're doing regardless whether you think it's a chore or not

PES11 and FIFA11 feel too similar, I do not enjoy video games where my ability is overwhelmingly undermined by a computer.

It's strictly undermined by your unwillingness to adapt to changes and enjoy the experience. I can only compare it to a scientist that wants to understand the meaning of life and want's to control and manipulate when it changes and when it doesn't. He can't accept when life changes or messes up his routine, he isn't willing to adjust to it but expects life to adjust to him and his ways and when it inevitably doesn't he whines and complains about forever on end. Then goes on the hill top arguing with passers-by trying to tell them that life is impossible to enjoy and ramming down their throats all the one-sided problems there is with it whille hoping they join him in his protests and exclusion from it.

I never said that PES11 is not sensitive, what I said was that PES11 is not sensitive where it should be sensitive; however, I have always maintained that PES11 is extremely sensitive in its own way.


PES11: the slightest of touches on the left analog stick will have you moving through space towards the given direction, twisting and turning through space.

But try to affect movement without affecting your position on the pitch and without affecting the direction that you are looking at.....

You do not have sensitivity when it comes to the type of movement that does not affect your position on the pitch, because you cannot even affect movement without also affecting your position on the pitch and without also affecting the direction that you are looking at.

So you're basically suggesting that there needs to be an option where there is strictly direct intended movement in one determined position? If that is your point then that is certainly something that could be added, but you make this sound as if it's a dramatic problem that makes it a game breaker when this is simply an improvement that could be added for the enhancement of better user control in helping having more options to exploit space and movement of the player.

When you mix the following elements,
1st -- human beings that move like automobiles: that is, without the ability of moving in multiple directions inside a determined space, whilst simultaneously, running in one direction through an undetermined space

1st -- for this reason you cannot move inside the space, therefore all the space that exists in terms of visuals does not actually exists within the practical confines of the video game, since if it is impossible to move inside the space that you can see, it will also be impossible to pass the ball into a space that does not exists.

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Yes I agree with that point, but any game is going to have it's limits as to the use of space for exploration. Many platform games there are limitations in the environment where it doesn't allow the user free reign of exploration due to coding limits.

2nd -- extremely sensitive passing system, where directing the pass with the left analog stick will also affect your position on the pitch therefore also affecting the angle of the pass; therefore making the game feel like a shore to play, since it is extremely sensitive and yet does not offers extreme accuracy.

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Well I use the d-pad to direct my passes and don't have that problem in it effecting the players movement who just directed the pass.

As a result you get a video game where the computer has too much control over the game, due to obvious reasons. It does not require enough ability, it is a flawed and outdated concept, I'm bored of it now, times have changed and the game has failed to move on.

See you've just pointed out a small problem within the game and used it to define the overall package as a whole to judge it as ''outdated''.
Those points you've highlighted are fair but it does not provide as a factual statement to attribute the game being outdated or as evidence to support the idea of ''cheating'' and konami out to get us when we're asleep.

I am talking about an irrefutable fact, I have made up my opinion about it: my opinion will not change, I'm not talking about taste, I am talking about a fact.

Not all of your points are talking about facts. For example I remember you complained about the strategies tactics on pes11 not affecting the game the same way as the L2-strategies in previous versions. When I know that's not true as this years version is the one most heavily influenced by strategies and tactics, gameplan so much they can decide a game before it's even began.

That's such a pathetic argument. And what's worst, you are lying to my face. The 20 minute concept you never understood and you still don't understand, because you are a dumb fucking cunt with the same attitude problems that all the cunts of this world have.

:laugh: I fully understood your little 20 minute concept. In a nutshell it consisted of the theory that more minutes equated to more freedom and use of off the ball movement space that allowed for a more balanced game that was closer to how a game is played out in real life. Now there was some good ideas you proposed within the concept but as a whole the idea was highly flawed, naïve and quite frankly stupid. That didn't stop you believing that your bright idea was the only way forward to revolutionising gaming and only you had the keys and knowledge to this new idea.

I think this was when you were going through your delusions of grandeur stage. It was so funny and ridiculous the demands you were making and believed to be the answer to football games, that I created a parady on the 20 minute concept if you remember. You took no consideration of the impact it would have on the market and consumer and viable options within the game that made it accessable to a younger audience. It was just a narrow minded idea that you wanted and didn't think about how it would tie in with other gamers taste. Lastly you presented this as fact but later after much deliberating over my points you realised it wasn't such a good idea after all.

I will say it one last time; my argument will not change and therefore my opinion will not change, because I am not talking about my taste, I am talking about the fact that moving inside the space is impossible to do.

Big fucking deal. That's the equivalent of some kid playing gta and realising he can't jump or smash through windows then decides he's not playing the game and miss out on enjoying the other features

When it is possible to move inside the space, then I might criticize the feel of it, but seeing as my argument is about the usage and utility of the left analog stick in relation to movement through space and movement inside the space; well I do not think my argument will ever change if the left analog stick continues working the same way.

I think you should give up on the series then because I don't believe konami have a left analogue stick fetish that they're eagerly waiting to satisfy any time soon.

But I tell you what. That last piece of bullshit that I quoted is what you should always think when you see one of my posts, do not even bother reading my posts because what I say now is what I will say then, and you don't understand what I'm saying now, so don't read in order to understand, just think without reading, that's how cunts think, and lets be honest, you are a cunt.

I learned a long time ago that you're posts are more or less the same regurgitated bs of previous one's so you don't have to point that out to me. What I will say is that I read and take into account every passage of text you write and give it enough respect and time to respond to each points while doing my best to hold back the laughter at the sheer ridiculous and stubborn nature of it all. As for me being a ''cunt'' as you would say that is your opinion. However I prefer this not to descend in a slagging match, lest you end up like your little boyfriend tech who came out of it making a complete fool of himself when he chose to go down that route that you're on the boarder of taking. Which I don't want to happen as you remind me of myself in some ways, when I was 10. :laugh:

 

[siimax]

LOLOFFENDINGPEOPLEISFUN

But seriously, FIFA 11 is totally crap. Please don't speak of it again in this place.

I think PES 2010 is on the top of list!

 

[boothy9]

So you think the gamers and their abilities have nothing to do with the game and their perception of it? Is that what you seriously believe?



Yes but you'll notice most of the individuals who complain of this ''cheating'' which they cling on to being an undisputed fact, are simply not good enough and seek to deflect attention away from that by placing the blame on konami rather than themselves.



I never said or made out my opinion was above everyone elses merely highlighted a point that I feel entitled to make.



I think you fall into the group of neurotic individuals that have an irrational hatred towards the game because it doesn't do everything you expect it to do even though no one said it would.



The ability of the player is crucial to them having a perception of the game. If someone is unable to get to grips and understand the dynamics of the game then they're more prone to say that there is a fault with the game rather than admit that they need to give it more time to adjust to it. Impatience is an issue here as they're not willing to give it the time to get to grips with it, they expect it to still be easy




Right so what happened to your cousins copy when I asked you to play me and you said you didn't have a copy? Or did you call up your cousin and say ''hey cous, do me a favour, I got some guy called football777 who's ready to slap me down on pro and prove I'm not very good, so come and get it quick so I can say I ain't got it otherwise I'm going to get owned big time'' Obviously all said in spanish I might add.

As for having it for just 3 days before despatching, that isn't my ''opinion'' that is what you said in your own words kiddo. Do you want me to get the quote? But you change your story every month to something different when it suits you so you don't have to back it up what you say.



There is scripting in every game this is a fact that you don;t undersand. I don't find it worse in regards to the passing but we can say that is personal opinion but there is no doubt the options of the placement and weight of a pass lies much more with the control of the player rather than the AI



Goood for youuu!!! You get an A star plus son.



Then why did you crap your pants when I asked you to play me if you were supposedly good at the game? You bitched out and continue to bitch out of playing me one on one to prove that you're any good. Also your points of frustration explaining that you feel you could no longer breeze past players with messi or just tap triangle to laser through pass it with xavi tells me you're skills are basic and very primitive and one dimensional. While unwilling to find out alternative strategies/game plans of using to adjust and break down a defense without using/abusing the likes of messi and xavi



Here we go, where did I say to that I was ''the real deal'' in response to any of your points in regards to pro? I said that comment in response to some kid that was trying to make out I was a fraud and a liar. It was nothing to do with my view as a player of the game. But here you go putting yourself on a pedestal doing exactly what you accuse me of ie placing opinions above others by stating your views as facts as if you've personally engineered the game and have the codes and scripts to understand it when in reality what you propose is merely a theory that you've crying about from the last 5+ years attributing it to every pro that's been released.




No I don't want to hear just positive things,as I have issues with the game myself. I just like reading paranoid rubbish and exaggeration polished up and presented as undisputable facts.



Oh right so you thought it was alright before the ''evil'' patch came in and ruined the game for you? Is that right? You're truly unbelievable you know that. I never ever recall you saying that the game was up to your standards and then suddenly taking a u-turn when the patch was released.



That's because you have to place the passes yourself instead of the ai doing it for you. This is something you have to learn to deal with



I think you mean chore my friend, but it only feels like a chore because you're having to put the effort and thought into what you're doing. Obviously you don't want to do that as you just expect to be able to drink and eat your soda and fries while you play and win. Well I got news for you - gamers like to have control over what they're doing regardless whether you think it's a chore or not




It's strictly undermined by your unwillingness to adapt to changes and enjoy the experience. I can only compare it to a scientist that wants to understand the meaning of life and want's to control and manipulate when it changes and when it doesn't. He can't accept when life changes or messes up his routine, he isn't willing to adjust to it but expects life to adjust to him and his ways and when it inevitably doesn't he whines and complains about forever on end. Then goes on the hill top arguing with passers-by trying to tell them that life is impossible to enjoy and ramming down their throats all the one-sided problems there is with it whille hoping they join him in his protests and exclusion from it.



So you're basically suggesting that there needs to be an option where there is strictly direct intended movement in one determined position? If that is your point then that is certainly something that could be added, but you make this sound as if it's a dramatic problem that makes it a game breaker when this is simply an improvement that could be added for the enhancement of better user control in helping having more options to exploit space and movement of the player.

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Yes I agree with that point, but any game is going to have it's limits as to the use of space for exploration. Many platform games there are limitations in the environment where it doesn't allow the user free reign of exploration due to coding limits.

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Well I use the d-pad to direct my passes and don't have that problem in it effecting the players movement who just directed the pass.



See you've just pointed out a small problem within the game and used it to define the overall package as a whole to judge it as ''outdated''.
Those points you've highlighted are fair but it does not provide as a factual statement to attribute the game being outdated or as evidence to support the idea of ''cheating'' and konami out to get us when we're asleep.



Not all of your points are talking about facts. For example I remember you complained about the strategies tactics on pes11 not affecting the game the same way as the L2-strategies in previous versions. When I know that's not true as this years version is the one most heavily influenced by strategies and tactics, gameplan so much they can decide a game before it's even began.




:laugh: I fully understood your little 20 minute concept. In a nutshell it consisted of the theory that more minutes equated to more freedom and use of off the ball movement space that allowed for a more balanced game that was closer to how a game is played out in real life. Now there was some good ideas you proposed within the concept but as a whole the idea was highly flawed, naïve and quite frankly stupid. That didn't stop you believing that your bright idea was the only way forward to revolutionising gaming and only you had the keys and knowledge to this new idea.

I think this was when you were going through your delusions of grandeur stage. It was so funny and ridiculous the demands you were making and believed to be the answer to football games, that I created a parady on the 20 minute concept if you remember. You took no consideration of the impact it would have on the market and consumer and viable options within the game that made it accessable to a younger audience. It was just a narrow minded idea that you wanted and didn't think about how it would tie in with other gamers taste. Lastly you presented this as fact but later after much deliberating over my points you realised it wasn't such a good idea after all.



Big fucking deal. That's the equivalent of some kid playing gta and realising he can't jump or smash through windows then decides he's not playing the game and miss out on enjoying the other features



I think you should give up on the series then because I don't believe konami have a left analogue stick fetish that they're eagerly waiting to satisfy any time soon.



I learned a long time ago that you're posts are more or less the same regurgitated bs of previous one's so you don't have to point that out to me. What I will say is that I read and take into account every passage of text you write and give it enough respect and time to respond to each points while doing my best to hold back the laughter at the sheer ridiculous and stubborn nature of it all. As for me being a ''cunt'' as you would say that is your opinion. However I prefer this not to descend in a slagging match, lest you end up like your little boyfriend tech who came out of it making a complete fool of himself when he chose to go down that route that you're on the boarder of taking. Which I don't want to happen as you remind me of myself in some ways, when I was 10. :laugh:

Good man! I'm so looking forward to reading Amatuer's response. Not!

Although I too would love the chance to beat him on Pes 11 and put him in his place! :happy:

 

[marcgiu]

Bloody hell, nice "little" 2.57am post by Amateur!

Have you ever tried to get this left analog stick concept over to Konami? So you want the players to be able to move in all directions while still standing on the spot? And move the ball around in the same spot also?

How easy do you think your plans would be to implement?

I wouldn't go around calling people cunts on here, you're just coming across as obnoxious and all high and mighty! You've got some good points about PES, leave it at that!

2.57am!!!!!!!!!!! - good to see that my tax's are going to good use

 

[smudger2008]

LOLOFFENDINGPEOPLEISFUN

But seriously, FIFA 11 is totally crap. Please don't speak of it again in this place.

Offending people is one thing, wishing terminal anal inflictions on them is another

 

[Ali]

2.57am!!!!!!!!!!! - good to see that my tax's are going to good use

I think he's in a different time zone to be fair.

 

[boothy9]

I think he's in a different time zone to be fair.

The guy's on a different planet!

 

[muscularmatt]

Football777, I really do appreciate your ability to create posts like that. Particularly with about 20,000 multiquotes from the same person. If I wanted to rant THAT much, I wouldn't have the patience to see it through.

 

[smudger2008]

Football777, I really do appreciate your ability to create posts like that. Particularly with about 20,000 multiquotes from the same person. If I wanted to rant THAT much, I wouldn't have the patience to see it through.

same here, I would have given up half way through. which must've been about an hour into it

 

[marcgiu]

Looking at Tech, football777 and Amateur - there seems to be some serious co-dependancy stuff going on..........." i don't care what you are going on about and now I am going to spend the next 2 hours explaining why"

 

[Amateur]

So you think the gamers and their abilities have nothing to do with the game and their perception of it? Is that what you seriously believe?

I feel embarrassed for you, you try so hard and yet your arguments are always so very pathetic; it's not even funny, it's just flat out embarrassing.

I think a person has the right of having an opinion and therefore has the right of liking one game over another game or thinking whatever he wants to about a particular video game.

When you place emphasis on the players themselves, though it may be shocking to you, you are commenting from the perspective of a fan and nothing more; and believe it or not, your opinion is not above my opinion nor above the opinion of anyone else.

Whenever I read one of your posts, I cannot help but think about a little vegetarian dog who spends most of his time barking at the top of his voice about the size of his penis, all the time, barking about the size of your dick, as if trying to prove a point to someone who cares.



OBVIOUSLY.........................



The ability of the player is important due to obvious reasons that only a pedantic moron would actually bother writing about; yet, how the fuck does my ability and perspective as a player change the fact that the game has fundamental problems such as the fact that it is impossible to move inside the space?

And therefore, when my argument has fuck all to do with my opinion as a gamer and with my ability as a gamer: why the fuck should the ability of the player be important to my argument?

When you focus on gamers and not on the game: how is this objective?

The vast majority of people are excessively interested in their own opinions and they deviate into inconclusive arguments.

The vast majority of people are so addicted to the habit of reading fan-based articles, that they actually believe that when someone comments something about anything, that the mentioned someone must be commenting from the perspective of a fan and nothing more.

I try my best to avoid fan-based articles when it is within my power, a simple video game is a subject that allows me to avoid fan-based articles because the facts are simple enough, which is why my rationale when criticizing a video game is to identify the facts.

Therefore I do not focus on the ability of the player because it is not relevant to my interests; when you talk about the ability of the player rather than the game itself, you are a player yourself, therefore you are commenting from the perspective of a fan and nothing more.

I am not interested in inconclusive fan-based debates about who has the biggest dick in the house, since it is utterly irrelevant to the actual point of my argument.

I am talking about an irrefutable fact, a fact that exists regardless of my opinion, therefore my argument cannot be described as a fan-based argument.



Argument: it is impossible to use the left analogue stick in order to affect movement inside the space without affecting movement through space and without affecting the direction that you are looking at.

Objective of the argument: the impossibility of moving inside the space is the most glaring and most fundamental flaw of the game, instead of talking about a net editor and other superficial and subjective matters, we should be talking about this objective simple fact.

Opinion: all the subjective bullshit that accompanies the argument but is redundant as far as the argument goes.



My argument is very simple and conclusive; the difference between the argument and the opinion is clear to anyone who isn't trying so hard to be a cunt.

I respect the opinion of everyone but what I do not respect is arguments that are based solely on opinion: this is not the real world, we are not talking about religion nor about politics nor about music, we are talking about a very simple video game, and therefore gathering the facts is easy….

When I formulate an argument that is centered around a fact, I expect the reader to distinguish the difference between my opinion and my argument.

If you want to attack my opinion, try your best; however, when you try to debate against my argument by using your opinion as the means to do so, you have one very pathetic argument on your hands.

I remember last week. The game was uploading a match. I quickly went to the kitchen but was held up longer. On my return the kick off already took place. Guess what, I was one goal up!!!! So much for engineered for freedom. I went on to win the game 5 - 1. It was as if the game just want me to win as the easy goals keeps on pouring in for me.

These are unprecedented levels of scripting.

What are you gonna say about that? You gonna say that sweetmusicman sucks at the game when he is literally not even playing the fucking game?

Same as my argument: it has fuck all to do with the ability of the player, believe it or not, I actually blame the game for the flaws of the game.

Needless to say, I do not care about your ability as a player, it has fuck all to do with my argument and my opinion.

You are a biased reader who wants to deviate from the actual point of my argument and wants to use my personality/opinion as a pretext to turn my argument into an inconclusive fan-based load of shit.

Go fuck yourself. If you haven't already.

 

[smudger2008]

I feel embarrassed for you, you try so hard and yet your arguments are always so very pathetic; it's not even funny, it's just flat out embarrassing.

I think a person has the right of having an opinion and therefore has the right of liking one game over another game or thinking whatever he wants to about a particular video game.

When you place emphasis on the players themselves, though it may be shocking to you, you are commenting from the perspective of a fan and nothing more; and believe it or not, your opinion is not above my opinion nor above the opinion of anyone else.

Whenever I read one of your posts, I cannot help but think about a little vegetarian dog who spends most of his time barking at the top of his voice about the size of his penis, all the time, barking about the size of your dick, as if trying to prove a point to someone who cares.



OBVIOUSLY.........................



The ability of the player is important due to obvious reasons that only a pedantic moron would actually bother writing about; yet, how the fuck does my ability and perspective as a player change the fact that the game has fundamental problems such as the fact that it is impossible to move inside the space?

And therefore, when my argument has fuck all to do with my opinion as a gamer and with my ability as a gamer: why the fuck should the ability of the player be important to my argument?

When you focus on gamers and not on the game: how is this objective?

The vast majority of people are excessively interested in their own opinions and they deviate into inconclusive arguments.

The vast majority of people are so addicted to the habit of reading fan-based articles, that they actually believe that when someone comments something about anything, that the mentioned someone must be commenting from the perspective of a fan and nothing more.

I try my best to avoid fan-based articles when it is within my power, a simple video game is a subject that allows me to avoid fan-based articles because the facts are simple enough, which is why my rationale when criticizing a video game is to identify the facts.

Therefore I do not focus on the ability of the player because it is not relevant to my interests; when you talk about the ability of the player rather than the game itself, you are a player yourself, therefore you are commenting from the perspective of a fan and nothing more.

I am not interested in inconclusive fan-based debates about who has the biggest dick in the house, since it is utterly irrelevant to the actual point of my argument.

I am talking about an irrefutable fact, a fact that exists regardless of my opinion, therefore my argument cannot be described as a fan-based argument.



Argument: it is impossible to use the left analogue stick in order to affect movement inside the space without affecting movement through space and without affecting the direction that you are looking at.

Objective of the argument: the impossibility of moving inside the space is the most glaring and most fundamental flaw of the game, instead of talking about a net editor and other superficial and subjective matters, we should be talking about this objective simple fact.

Opinion: all the subjective bullshit that accompanies the argument but is redundant as far as the argument goes.



My argument is very simple and conclusive; the difference between the argument and the opinion is clear to anyone who isn't trying so hard to be a cunt.

I respect the opinion of everyone but what I do not respect is arguments that are based solely on opinion: this is not the real world, we are not talking about religion nor about politics nor about music, we are talking about a very simple video game, and therefore gathering the facts is easy….

When I formulate an argument that is centered around a fact, I expect the reader to distinguish the difference between my opinion and my argument.

If you want to attack my opinion, try your best; however, when you try to debate against my argument by using your opinion as the means to do so, you have one very pathetic argument on your hands.



These are unprecedented levels of scripting.

What are you gonna say about that? You gonna say that sweetmusicman sucks at the game when he is literally not even playing the fucking game?

Same as my argument: it has fuck all to do with the ability of the player, believe it or not, I actually blame the game for the flaws of the game.

Needless to say, I do not care about your ability as a player, it has fuck all to do with my argument and my opinion.

You are a biased reader who wants to deviate from the actual point of my argument and wants to use my personality/opinion as a pretext to turn my argument into an inconclusive fan-based load of shit.

Go fuck yourself. If you haven't already.

Looks like you've both said all there is to say on this matter, seems like you are just repeating yourself now, with these very longwinded arguements.

 

[boothy9]

Looks like you've both said all there is to say on this matter, seems like you are just repeating yourself now, with these very longwinded arguements.

Too bloody right they are, especially Amateur! They should just arrange to get together! It would be love at first sight!

 

[Athlon_]

Yes. If you think FIFA 11 is better than PES 11, then I hope you get anal cancer. It's simply not true.

You are getting the game you deserve, have fun playing PES2011 all year and writing in this thread. You have some life.

By the way, there are ten year old PS1 pro evos that are better than PES2011. Have a think about that before you fanboy yourself into an early grave. Moron.

 

[Ultimate777]

I feel embarrassed for you, you try so hard and yet your arguments are always so very pathetic; it's not even funny, it's just flat out embarrassing.

I think a person has the right of having an opinion and therefore has the right of liking one game over another game or thinking whatever he wants to about a particular video game.

When you place emphasis on the players themselves, though it may be shocking to you, you are commenting from the perspective of a fan and nothing more; and believe it or not, your opinion is not above my opinion nor above the opinion of anyone else.

Whenever I read one of your posts, I cannot help but think about a little vegetarian dog who spends most of his time barking at the top of his voice about the size of his penis, all the time, barking about the size of your dick, as if trying to prove a point to someone who cares.



OBVIOUSLY.........................



The ability of the player is important due to obvious reasons that only a pedantic moron would actually bother writing about; yet, how the fuck does my ability and perspective as a player change the fact that the game has fundamental problems such as the fact that it is impossible to move inside the space?

And therefore, when my argument has fuck all to do with my opinion as a gamer and with my ability as a gamer: why the fuck should the ability of the player be important to my argument?

When you focus on gamers and not on the game: how is this objective?

The vast majority of people are excessively interested in their own opinions and they deviate into inconclusive arguments.

The vast majority of people are so addicted to the habit of reading fan-based articles, that they actually believe that when someone comments something about anything, that the mentioned someone must be commenting from the perspective of a fan and nothing more.

I try my best to avoid fan-based articles when it is within my power, a simple video game is a subject that allows me to avoid fan-based articles because the facts are simple enough, which is why my rationale when criticizing a video game is to identify the facts.

Therefore I do not focus on the ability of the player because it is not relevant to my interests; when you talk about the ability of the player rather than the game itself, you are a player yourself, therefore you are commenting from the perspective of a fan and nothing more.

I am not interested in inconclusive fan-based debates about who has the biggest dick in the house, since it is utterly irrelevant to the actual point of my argument.

I am talking about an irrefutable fact, a fact that exists regardless of my opinion, therefore my argument cannot be described as a fan-based argument.



Argument: it is impossible to use the left analogue stick in order to affect movement inside the space without affecting movement through space and without affecting the direction that you are looking at.

Objective of the argument: the impossibility of moving inside the space is the most glaring and most fundamental flaw of the game, instead of talking about a net editor and other superficial and subjective matters, we should be talking about this objective simple fact.

Opinion: all the subjective bullshit that accompanies the argument but is redundant as far as the argument goes.



My argument is very simple and conclusive; the difference between the argument and the opinion is clear to anyone who isn't trying so hard to be a cunt.

I respect the opinion of everyone but what I do not respect is arguments that are based solely on opinion: this is not the real world, we are not talking about religion nor about politics nor about music, we are talking about a very simple video game, and therefore gathering the facts is easy….

When I formulate an argument that is centered around a fact, I expect the reader to distinguish the difference between my opinion and my argument.

If you want to attack my opinion, try your best; however, when you try to debate against my argument by using your opinion as the means to do so, you have one very pathetic argument on your hands.



These are unprecedented levels of scripting.

What are you gonna say about that? You gonna say that sweetmusicman sucks at the game when he is literally not even playing the fucking game?

Same as my argument: it has fuck all to do with the ability of the player, believe it or not, I actually blame the game for the flaws of the game.

Needless to say, I do not care about your ability as a player, it has fuck all to do with my argument and my opinion.

You are a biased reader who wants to deviate from the actual point of my argument and wants to use my personality/opinion as a pretext to turn my argument into an inconclusive fan-based load of shit.

Go fuck yourself. If you haven't already.

You've already lost the argument as you've now decided to ignore all my points and questions in regards to each point you've made and deviant this into a slagging match. Talking about dogs with voices and trying to make out this is about ''who has the biggest dick in the house'' :laugh:

You're absolutely crazy as proven with you're previous behaviour in this forum. While it's clear that's it's impossible to have a consistent coherent debate with you because you then go off your head into this long rants about absolutely nothing when you can't answer direct questions that are rational.

You write a few essays detailing your views as to what you believe is the problem with the game and try to present it as fact. Then if someone like me disagrees and highlights errors in your thinking you then insult them and now revert to bs about fanboyism. You will never learn so it's a waste of my time continuing this discussion as like your boyfriend tech you cherry pick quotes that you feel able to respond to while ignoring the rest.

Until you can challenge my points I made on the previous pages you don't have a leg to stand on as clearly your just a failed student that's lost his mind.

Also that poster that said he came back and found the game had scored for him is obviously talking absolutely shit as we know that's not possible. He has no evidence to support his claim so I wouldn't be so willing to lap up bullshit. Anyone can write and make up shit for attention without providing any evidence. If he posted that to konami, they wouldn't take it seriously as there is no evidence or previous cases to support this sad little kid's claim. So they would see it for what it is - which is begging for attention to give fellow paranoid stupid fucks like you ammo to talk about ''cheating''

As for the other little morons in this thread adding their commentary in their belief that it is unneccesary for me to put this boy amateur in his place, you can fuck the hell right off too if you don't like what I have to say.

 

[S-D-P]

The only time the game can score for you is due to silly cursor change problems and the game occasionally taking over commands, Ive had the instance when I have a player selected yet an AI team mate has powered the ball in for me, infuriating and very unrewarding but doesn't happen often. Hopefully some of the other balancing acts are removed next year as they are my main source of pes rage but what I mentioned above is a bug or something more fundamental, onto my third copy of pes now.

 

[muscularmatt]

You are getting the game you deserve, have fun playing PES2011 all year and writing in this thread. You have some life.

By the way, there are ten year old PS1 pro evos that are better than PES2011. Have a think about that before you fanboy yourself into an early grave. Moron.

I hate this. Just because I like something that a lot of people for some reason don't, I'm a fanboy? Piss off. If you're arsey and offended by my horrid attempts at humour then fine, but don't give me shit for liking something you don't like.

Also, I don't see how liking a relatively unpopular game will make me die earlier. Moron.

 

[smudger2008]

I hate this. Just because I like something that a lot of people for some reason don't, I'm a fanboy? Piss off. If you're arsey and offended by my horrid attempts at humour then fine, but don't give me shit for liking something you don't like.

Also, I don't see how liking a relatively unpopular game will make me die earlier. Moron.

Matt are you seriously saying its wrong to give someone shit for liking something you don't, what about hoping they get a termanl desease for liking something you dont, WTF?

Yes. If you think FIFA 11 is better than PES 11, then I hope you get anal cancer. It's simply not true.

 

[marcgiu]

"Also that poster that said he came back and found the game had scored for him is obviously talking absolutely shit as we know that's not possible. He has no evidence to support his claim so I wouldn't be so willing to lap up bullshit. Anyone can write and make up shit for attention without providing any evidence. If he posted that to konami, they wouldn't take it seriously as there is no evidence or previous cases to support this sad little kid's claim. So they would see it for what it is - which is begging for attention to give fellow paranoid stupid fucks like you ammo to talk about ''cheating''"


I loaded the game up and left it for a week - I finished runner up in the champions league........

Thats some fkin scripting:realmad: