News about PES 14

[shaun7]

Now the statement is even more correct.

The gaming industry today is all about selling DLC and day one patches that fixes the stuff they didn't bother to finish in addition to creating numerous new bugs. These unfinished products sells because the player base is (stupid) basically buying any crap they toss at the market if they promote it properly and slap the right person on the cover.

Although I cannot deny this, you cannot really generalize like this

I can mention some games that were finished and had a great gameplay experience

Dark Souls
The Witcher 2
Kingdoms of Amalur
Driver San Francisco
The Forza series (even though they do release alot of downloads)

You get the idea here. There are lots of games that although release downloads, their games are great from the start (if Skyrim had some bugs, Bethesda fixed them with patches and those are free).

 

[menaceuk]

shifting to a new engine and releasing an unfinished product if you want to get semantical

Going by your logic all games are unfinished. There are always things missing from games that really shouldn't be, or things we gamers likely expect.


Any way....check out these sexy tackles. Animations are awesome, almost real looking.hmy:

 

[Lörd TH]

Zoomed it looks practically real.


Apart from Rafael's silver afro :huh:

 

[IronCity]

i always thought 2011 had that real looking quality, and then they scrapped it all in 2012

 

[mahanddeem]

i always thought 2011 had that real looking quality, and then they scrapped it all in 2012

I was always thinking PES 2011 is better than 2013 TILL I installed 2011 again 3 days ago....Clearly 2013 is by far much more weighted game play and player and ball physics.

 

[IronCity]

I was always thinking PES 2011 is better than 2013 TILL I installed 2011 again 3 days ago....Clearly 2013 is by far much more weighted game play and player and ball physics.

i never bought 2013, but the 2011 animations were so good. Almost video quality at times. But I also remember in 2011 that stunned delay after a tackle, you remember how your player sat there dazed for a 2 count until he could move again.

 

[StringerBell]

Zoomed it looks practically real.


Apart from Rafael's silver afro :huh:

Yeah I thought for a second menaceuk had a gigantic sig of a random tackle of Iniesta. Realized it was from the game and felt like an idiot :happy:

 

[Soccerdude]

@ Iron city...Oh god seabass stepped away from his major role post PES11 ...It was Kei Masuda's idea to implement the wide cam and ping-pong passing.

 

[Sabatasso]

Although I cannot deny this, you cannot really generalize like this

Actually, I think I can.

I can mention some games that were finished and had a great gameplay experience

Dark Souls
The Witcher 2
Kingdoms of Amalur
Driver San Francisco
The Forza series (even though they do release alot of downloads)

Dark Souls is full of bugs actually, and the PC version is nothing but a big bug that needs community patches to be playable. Great game once stuff is sorted out and new textures are made because the original ones are godawful.

The Witcher 2 is awfully balanced and over 90% of the equipment in the game is obsolete by the time you find it. There are also several game-breaking bugs in the original release including CTD's and memory leaks. I did like that game once it was properly patched and rebalanced with a proper mod. The boss batlles were a spectacular failure though, it's almost comical as it's sloppy and lazy work incarnated.

Kingdoms of Amalur failed miserably at its main feature, the story telling. There wasn't as many bugs in the game as one would expect, but you can clearly sense that its potential isn't taken advantage of because the game is basically unfinished. Much like Mafia 2, you can find several spots where you know there was supposed to be something but there isn't. Typical sign of being rushed to the market, which is sad because it could've been a decent game. I played through it and liked parts of it but it's a grindfest on par with Asian MMO grinders and in a sense it's a single player MMO which is... strange.

I don't play car games any more, so I can't comment on them at all. But according to a close friend of mine, those car games are really "arcadey" which basically is a typical sign of sloppy development. It takes research and thorough work to create a physics engine that gives a great "natural" or "realistic" result in a car game but nowadays they just slap on any decent physics engine without tuning it properly and add a bunch of driving aids to help you keep the car on the road.

You get the idea here. There are lots of games that although release downloads, their games are great from the start (if Skyrim had some bugs, Bethesda fixed them with patches and those are free).

Skyrim is a shallow shell of a game, there is no depth or substance to it what so ever. For example, after being promoted to Housecarl, the guards and peasants still talk to you as if you were the dirt under their shoes. Skyrim is nothing but a decent platform for modders to go crazy, and the mod community is overgrown by hentai/anime lovers that doesn't fit the setting what so ever. The last TES game worth playing was Morrowind but they all fade in comparison to games like Gothic.

In the end, from what I've seen of PES14 it looks quite good. Bugs are to be expected, re-balance patches will be needed which is typical three to five by Konami standards -the usual bucket of worms in other words. Unless they fuck something up royally, it will be the best PES in history... not that it's any quality marker in any way.

 

[mahanddeem]

Games released in the mid 2000s were much better made, it wasn't very common to even see bug fixing official patches...Nowadays most games need patches just to be barely played .Games industry in general is going down hill.

 

[shaun7]

I know this is highly off topic but I really disagree. You have to keep in kind that back in 1999-2000, the gaming industry was nowhere near as big and much fewer games came out. So the great games were way easier to find. If you look hard enough, there are superb games all around you. You just have to find them Though I agree that most games are becoming easier.

Sabatasso. I never denied bugs. I said at least they were fixed with patches that are free. And that shows a sign of gratitude and care from the devs.

Dark Souls was amazing. Yes it had bugs but none as grave as you made it sound.

The Witcher 2 awfully balanced? Really. The game is hard and the game requires thought. It's not awfully balanced at all. I played the 360 version and it was and still is one of the best games ever made in my eyes. I never denied the bugs though because every game has them.

I agree that Kingdoms of Amalur is unfinished because it had potential for more but it';s main feature was not story telling. It's an arcade rpg so the combat is what sells it not the story and the combat was fun as hell.

And even if some car games are arcade, it doesn't mean lazy. It means that arcade car games are not for you Remember that not everyone has a wheel to play them ad not everyone can drive in real life. So arcade can sometimes be fun aswell.

And finally Skyrim? Again It's an RPG. The main point is to role play and role playing was excellent. The endless options to take were the best I've seen in an RPG. Yes, it had bugs and annoyances, but kep in mind that this huge game is running on 512mb of memory. You couldn't expect more.

Honestly by the looks of things, it's not the game's fault, it's your unreasonable expectations and nostalgia that's making you say these things. Nothing personal. It's just my take.

Though I agree that less games are taking story potential serious.

 

[Sabatasso]

Kingdoms of Amalur hired one of the most reknowned fantasy authors (The creator of Drizz't do Urden and Champions of the hall) to create its story so I regard that as one of their main focuses. Dark Souls PTDE(PC) is actually much worse than I made it out to be, because you can not play it at all unless you download fan made patches because the resolution is utterly fucked up, the aspect ratios are messed up and the game crashes every few minutes because of it. Once those bugs are sorted, no thanks to the developers, the game is probably the best RPG-ish game ever released for many reasons. The game can be both casual and immersive and even though you seemingly have few choices you actually have loads and they affect the surroundings even though if the actual main story remains more or less the same.

The Witcher 2 gives you a day one DLC that makes all armors in the two first chapters utterly pointless, how would you call that balanced? Within 2 minutes you can cheaply craft yourself a silver sword upgrade that will last the next few chapters making all the stuff you find in your travels completely obsolete. The boss battles I mentioned are utterly stupid, some are retardedly easy while others are difficult beyond reason without being fun in any way (first fight vs the apparent antagonist). A simple player made mod called The Witcher 2 Rebalance is probably how the game should be made, it weakens the day 1 DLC so that the game doesn't get piss easy until you're halfway through either. That being said, I think TW2 is comparable to Gothic in many ways and I loved the game once it was sorted out by mods and patches.

I don't have unreasonable expectations at all, in fact I expect every game to be a pile of heap so in that regard it should take very little to surprise me positively. I recently bought a few old games on GOG.com and among them was Gothic. I used to love the game back in the days and I realized that the game is still great even though very dated visually. Those little things that makes your actions have actual consequences on the world around you and how people react to you is what makes or breaks an RPG. If nothing really changes then it's no fucking point in doing anything, which is the case with Skyrim for example.

 

[Ali]

I've been watching a few demo vids. Shooting animation still looks poor, especially placed shots. I'm also noticing that not many goals are being scored, a lot of games seem to end up 0-0.

 

[shaun7]

Kingdoms of Amalur hired one of the most reknowned fantasy authors (The creator of Drizz't do Urden and Champions of the hall) to create its story so I regard that as one of their main focuses. Dark Souls PTDE(PC) is actually much worse than I made it out to be, because you can not play it at all unless you download fan made patches because the resolution is utterly fucked up, the aspect ratios are messed up and the game crashes every few minutes because of it.

Yes, the PC version of Dark Souls wasn't really that good of a port. But the console version was superb.

I don't have unreasonable expectations at all, in fact I expect every game to be a pile of heap so in that regard it should take very little to surprise me positively. I recently bought a few old games on GOG.com and among them was Gothic. I used to love the game back in the days and I realized that the game is still great even though very dated visually. Those little things that makes your actions have actual consequences on the world around you and how people react to you is what makes or breaks an RPG. If nothing really changes then it's no fucking point in doing anything, which is the case with Skyrim for example.

True, Skyrim wasn't a choice heavy game. But then again, the amount of freedom that skyrim offers is on a different level. You have to understand that to make every action have a reaction, you need much more memory to work with and with the amount of freedom that skyrim offered, that was simply impossible. Not to mention that the game's focus point is not that. It's freedom to develop your character. Every game has to have a focus point, otherwise they'll all be the same.

They could have done better. Ofcourse, this is true for ever game out there.

BTW, The withcer 2 is a very choice heavy game and every action does have a reaction.

But moving on to pes 14 now.

 

[Sabatasso]

The reason I doom Skyrim is because Daggerfall was a bigger game with more freedom and your actions had consequences. Other games of similar size and freedom as Skyrim has consequences as well. Skyrim is the galleon figure of the gaming industry today, neat and pretty without depth in any way. I do think Konami is actually trying to add depth to PES though, which is quite obvious that FIFA gives a rats ass about and that's mainly why I'm appearing pro PES and anti FIFA on a general level. I've always admitted that I don't really give a fuck whether we play FIFA or PES when a bunch of friends play league or cup though because the AI doesn't really matter then.

 

[Ali]

But moving on to pes 14 now.

Yes please. There is a whole section on the site for discussing other games.

 

[Sabatasso]

Sometimes it's natural to digress.

 

[Ali]

True, but it's my job to make sure things get back on topic.

 

[Sabatasso]

The noun 'job' means a paid position of regular employment So it's your work or business to keep things on topic.

 

[paul2478]

The noun 'job' means a paid position of regular employment So it's your work or business to keep things on topic.

Although normally it paid it doesn't have to be

noun
1a paid position of regular employment:
the scheme could create 200 jobs
a part-time job
2a task or piece of work, especially one that is paid:
she wants to be left alone to get on with the job
a responsibility or duty:
it’s our job to find things out
[in singular] informal a difficult task:
we thought you’d have a job getting there
[with modifier] informal a procedure to improve the appearance of something:
someone had done a skilful paint job
informal a crime, especially a robbery:
a series of daring bank jobs
Computing an operation or group of operations treated as a single and distinct unit:
this feature allows your computer to queue print jobs
3 [with modifier] informal a thing of a specified nature:
the car was a blue malevolent-looking job

Now get back on topic