First Impressions on PES5!

[rossjacks]

I got the game today I have to say that the first impression is that its not what I was expecting it to be.
Game play was not better, Im very very disappointed, players falled like drunken alcoholics & where slower than injured turtles, I tryed many teams with different players but it was the same, Gameplay is utterly crap, CPU players are still faster in everything than you, not to mention the defensive issues have not been fixed or improved. Movements are slow as hell.......argggggggg.
Now to the Positive sides, the training is improved, some more positions but hell it doesnt matter when the gameplay is slow & crap......
Damn, I´ll stick to PES4.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Theres loads of threads about like this, mate. I think 75% of us felt like this when they first played it, stick at it. You'll get used to it

 

[rossjacks]

Na sadly I dont think it will grow on me! Too many changes in Gamplay but not for the better. Guess I gotta wait 1 more year for another disappointment.

 

[yajeel]

I really hoped the full game would be okay - I'm devastated, I've not got it yet, but the pure frustration I've felt with the demo is driving me completely insane, I don't know if I want to bother. My dad keeps coming round and patting me on the shoulder saying "play something else son, you'll shorten your life if you carry on!" I like a lot of the new things with PES5, the shooting (most of the time) is awesome, and the way you have to build play is better too, the players being a bit slower and more sluggish demands it, the new passing animations are nice, the new AI is very clever sometimes too, but the thing that I can't accept and WON'T accept is the utterly disgraceful, blatant cheating. I have never been so stressed while playing a game as I have been tonight. The other day with Chelsea against Arsenal, Madrid and Valencia - I hammered them all 3-0, or thereabouts. Today, I know it's not me playing rubbish because I wasn't - but I haven't beaten Arsenal in 5, 5-star, 15min a half games - I've only scored in two of them. (I ALWAYS play five-star) I've had open goals missed from 8 yards, penalties saved, penalties not given, amongst the worst of the gameplay cheats. But throughout, consistently the AI has manipulated MY players into losing positions, I very rarely win ANY headers, simple passes are misplaced, when I am trying to intercept a ball being passed between two CPU players, my player runs toward the ball, then alongside it, until it has passed, and then back in the same direction I was running - basically the CPU makes my player avoid contact with the ball at all costs, even if I try to slide, the CPU pretends I didn't press anything, and decides to change player to someone even further away from the ball. When the CPU plays a through ball, and I've already spotted what it was trying to do, I position my man, goalside of the striker, running towards my goal to cover him, instead the AI decides that my man is going to stop dead in his tracks, turn to face the ball coming towards him, let the striker get ahead of him and then turn back, too late to catch Henry who simply chips my keeper. Absolute bollocks. Utter fucking lies. Every time. The CPU scores on me, only when it cheats to get there, often from corners, and I rarely score on the CPU because when I'm in a great position upfront, for some reason my player miscontrols it, stops, MOVES BACKWARDS without moving his legs sometimes, NEVER moves TO the ball, just runs around the back of the defender and says "There you go son, you have it", and if I'm lucky and get a yard he hoofs it into row H. This is only against Arsenal by the way, I bummed Real Madrid 4-0 earlier - I think sometimes when you start the demo, it just 'decides' that Arsenal is going to be invincible. I've videoed lots of clips of the AI cheating like fook, and I'm going to put them online so all you people who say you'll get used to it can see what I'm talking about. It's un-fucking-acceptable. I'm gutted, I hoped so much that they'd iron out the little cheating shitty bits from PES4 and make PES5 the absolute bomb, with top class AI, that beats you on merit, not by making every player you control a pissed up piece of arse.I'll try the full game out, and hopefully every team won't be untouchable like the Arsenal, but I'll still be losing my mind when I have to face them in the league!! I'm glad I have a shaved head, otherwise my hair would be all over my keyboard and in between my fingers. KONAMI, Please, please read this and stop making my beloved PES cheat me into an early grave - I BEG YOU, make WE9I work!!!! I want to get beat sometimes and say "yeah good goal comp" but I never feel like that anymore, I just scream "you cheating bastard" through clenched teeth, I think I've chipped one too. Rant over.

 

[hawarkarem]

paragraphs are your friends.

 

[elzafir]

reading to much gets you catharac.

 

[waylando]

I respect yajeel's long post. I think the CPU is cheating, and i know that the only people who really gets this feeling are us, the people who still uses to play against the comp. Its completely logical that being someone who plays against his buddies all the time wont notice the obscene cheating the CPU applies on you. Thats ok, maybe with this PES 5 im going to play online more than with PES4. But the observation is done: the game's AI is not that "evolutioned" because it still shows some old logic, like the defense system: "lets get all behind the ball, and if you see it, poor of you if you dont hoof it clear" , and this since PES of playstation 1. So konami, if you are reading this, take notice that not all the football fans have internet connection, so make a decent single player challenge, not something that has to cheat and submodify your player stats to win a match.

 

[RistoL.]

I'm thinking some of you guys would be better off with FIFA.

 

[yajeel]

I agree - paragraphs are your friends - I didn't realise I'd ranted so much until I submitted - It looks untidy, and if people don't read it, then fair enough, it's my fault.

@ RistoL - Fifa is terrible (although this year has improved), the reason most of us are whinging is because we love PES, and we just want the AI to be better. I agree playing against a human opponent is more fun (for me) than playing ANY other game - it's just my only opposition at the moment is my brother who I am light years ahead of, and is not really much competition.

Online last year provided some better competition, but the lag as a client made playing pointless, and the frustration of losing 3-0 to someone who you KNOW isn't better than you was mildly irritating to say the least. You win your hosts, and lose your cliented games almost every time - I hope this is improved for PES5, and most of my complaints will go away...

The thing is though, I can't live without a masterleague and will continue to play despite the pain it causes...

 

[Sweey]

I really don't understand what people want.

I've only played the demo so far but it makes me happy. It is more like real football - slow and you can't just run through defences at will. You have to use a lot more skill and patience, and if you do that you're certainly rewarded. I've never played any demo as much as the PES5 demo. I enjoy it.

On top of that, I usually only play PES at 4* because I don't play as much as everyone else here, but I love playing the demo on 5*. It makes for a great match which I thoroughly enjoy on all accounts. I don't feel that the computer cheats at all.

Obviously I am limited to just the demo so far, and I'll know more tomorrow, hopefully, if the game turns up. I'm expecting to love it though.

 

[omzbadboy]

Just play the game a few more times then you will realise how beautiful it is i have to agree the stars are harder than before but what the hell the games great anyway

 

[yajeel]

Believe me! I know how beautiful it is! I've never played a demo so intensely before either (apart from PES4, and PES3!) I'm a massive fan, and love the series (especially when it's all patched up and looking lovely - WOLF - please release one patch at least, don't spend all your time with FIFA!!!)

I like that it's difficult (I still win most matches on 5-star though) I like that the defense is hard to break down. What I don't like is the way the CPU does superhuman things, like if it's a goal down, Michael Owen jumps up for a header with Sol Campbell and wins it, Ivan Helgura catches up to Henry who is 5 yards ahead of him and bearing on goal etc, etc, etc, I can't be bothered going on - it's plain and simple cheating.

Those are the ones you can forgive though, it's the ones when the CPU manipulates YOUR player into making an error, so it can capitalise on it, which makes me mad. When you are clearly in a better position to intercept the ball and all of a sudden your man changes direction, as if you've got some spasmodic reaction in your hand, that changes the d-pad direction every time you're about to win the ball. It's irritating as fook.

And it dismays me, because the rest of the game is absolutely awesome, I like the new dribbling (even though it can be tough), the new strike animations are breathtaking, the goalies are better, the shots harder, the slide tackles excellent, even the refereeing decisions don't bother me (although he can be sometimes VERY harsh if you are winning) - The reason I seem like a moaner is because THIS IS ALL I PLAY!! No other game is worth my time, so I would just love it to be perfect! One day it will be, it really will...

 

[NippleH]

sound delay

Does anyone have sound delay??? I hate it, I shoot the ball 10 sec later you here the sound. My COM speed is 1,5 ghz, isn't that fast enough? plz help

 

[yajeel]

My mate has got a pc that's about that speed, and it happens to him too. That's what lag does as well! Try it on the lowest settings pal, and see if that makes a difference - it looks a pit poo, but it should be more playable then...you should upgrade really, but I suppose you're sick of people telling you that, eh?

Pro ev definitely looks and plays better on a high spec PC, I think it tends to be more friendly to ATI cards than Nvidia too...might be wrong, but it used to anyway...

 

[yajeel]

I've just been playing my bro, and noticed a lot of the things that annoy me happen in a two player game too, mainly that stupid 'running around the back of the player' when you are favorite to win the ball, or at least in a good position for a 50-50, your players just surrender possession too easily.

So I did a test and played a 30 minute game (only a half) against a human opponent and just left the controller of player2 on my lap. Do you know how hard it is to get past defenders who no-one is in control of!? Or even to get the ball off them? They turn their backs and shield the ball (that's good) but once you touch them, you can't move away, you often just keep pushing them in the back which produces a foul! The CPU controls FAR too much of this game, giving away fouls, and making challenges without your consent. When I play through balls the CPU controls the defenders and makes them fast to win the ball before the striker - no-one is even touching the pad!

Maybe I've been moaning about the cheating a bit too much (it does still cheat, and I will never relent) but this is obviously a part of this new game I'm just gonna have to get used to. Intercepting passes is a thing of the past, I just have to accept that my defenders have to take up a natural goal-side position, and my strikers will do the same, and never COME to accept a pass, just stand behind a defender and let him have it...

It would be nice if this isn't so prevalent in the full game, especially the fouls you have NO control of. Oh well fingers crossed for tomorrow! I'm looking forward to it despite my whinging...

 

[Joe-Juve]

NippleH, just go to Options menu and open sounds settings, fiddle around with the levels of volume and stereo/mono but put everything back to the way you want it then click ok and the sound will fix itself again and you won't have sound lag! =)

 

[mjones5221]

What u expect.

when a new pro evo is out it always will be different ,then u get use to it again.Humans dont like change and humans get use to change, when u get to use something,you will love it more then pro evo 4

 

[sg-gk]

when a new pro evo is out it always will be different ,then u get use to it again.Humans dont like change and humans get use to change, when u get to use something,you will love it more then pro evo 4

hi
i agree 100% ..it is the same thing with me when i got the pes4 demo ..i found it different than pes3 ...now pes5 is different..we will get use to it ..

time is what we need

thanks

 

[pinsnpies]

Does anyone have a crowd in the stadium when playing? For goodness sake I have a GTX.

 

[gazza79]

Hi ppl,

Hmmm, I guess it's for the better... I feel it's more real, the more of the demo I play the more hooked I become. Just waiting for the game to arrive. I think it's awesome It just keeps getting more realistic though, yes some "weird" incidents. Play more love more! (Say no to Fifa :S)