For the first time in 11 years, I WILL be purchasing FIFA

[zeemeister]

I am now officially one of those members who have made the change. I really hope Konami can sort it out, or even some other publisher, but there's just no contest now. Konami should take a few years out. Never thought I'd live to see the day that PES has better graphics and FIFA has better gameplay.

I almost don't want to join this discussion but please tell me what you mean by "better gameplay" because quite frankly IMO PES has the better gameplay, as a result of player and team individuality. Anyway I've got FIFA10 on preorder for the 1st time in 12 years and might be in a position that I can say I am looking forward 2 football games next year each excellent in their own right. For gods sake we don't need clones.

 

[shaun7]

^True. I agree. Both have different interpretations of football.

 

[ferdinand001]

For me anyone (fifa or pes) has a quality simulation of the game for this Gen. I used to be a Fifa player in the 90s but in the 2000-2007 period i prefer PES o WE.

I have played both games from ISS on SNES or FIFA 94 in PC, i have played both in PC and Consoles (NES, SNES, GAMECUBE, PS1, PS2, XBOX, XBOX360, etc...) I will not convince anyone about what is best for me that's a matter of personal taste..but here what I think now:

Fifa is a good game, the quality of the animation are awesome ,are worthy of this generation, the keepers are from another planet. Today, for fifa the main focus is to deliver an experience that be closest to a live TV Transmision, and they did that very well. All the elements in FIFA are created to represent TV and when you see it in youtube ( Fifa 9 and 10) you see what i mean. They make a engine focused in that, and that engine do the job very well.

The gameplay in FIFA is good to, but it is non-realistic to me, because all the players do the same things... I take ronaldo and do every kind of tricks, an after i take Puyol and he do the same tricks, but in slow motion; The tricks havent a effect in the play, are simply aesthetic. Every player feel like the same... The teams have the same issue, every team play in the same way with very small changes, every team felt like 70s Brazil. Accurate passes, perfects throws balls, excellent crosses, every player run forward searching the space beetween the defence. These things are simply NON REAL at all. Even a monkey can play FIFA in a good manner and maybe win some matches in front of the best player.

In the other hand we have PES... oh my good Lord...PES...IMO konami need a new engine and a new producer...someone angry for glory. A youngest "seabass". Simply konami take 3 years to take PES into this Gen... and is too much time for the consumers.

PES 2010 seems to be a good game aswell, but with bad things too. The gameplay, In Pes 2009 we se the individualism, and in the 2010 demo, we see the pass pass pass game, where is the balance?... I dont see it. The keepers are simply a shit, They are like some kind of moving wall in the goal... All animations are as an accelerated, badly done work.

In my summary... PES have the induvidualism in the players and in the teams, and the graphics... and FIFA have the animations, the keepers, the atmosphere, the licenses and the engine.

If we can take the gameplay from PES5-6 and put into the engine of FIFA 09, then we will be talking about what i imagine for the simulation in this gen.

Today for me, Fifa its a visual fantasy, and Pes is like football in ugly, realy ugly clothes.

PD: I preffer football in ugly clothes, but some times i would like a good looking girl, with big silicon breast, too.

sorry for my english...

 

[muzza798]

I think the 360 movment is killing pes. Its really sluggish and slow to turn, you cant go bang, bang past som1 anymore because there isnt 16 ways movement like in pes ps2 and thats taking away from the gameplay.

 

[shaun7]

^Maybe response has something to do with it? Could be.

 

[FIORE_FAN]

I play on Xbox360 - just to get that out of the way.

I just had a couple of games more last night...
I started playing the PES10 demo first. This time I had no expectations at all, so I just wanted to get into the game. It worked out ok. Not great - just decent. I had three matches with random selected teams. And honestly - the matches didn't really feel that different.
A few things bugged me here and there. For one, I didn't feel like my forwards tried to run behind the defense-line so I could make a through pass etc. Also some passes went to players I didn't intend to play. That made me want to dribble more than I would usually do - against my own wish. Shooting however felt great - as always as you would say.
I then switched over to the FIFA10 demo. After only a few seconds i realised what "was wrong". I played a few games and must say, that scoring goals felt better this time around.
I had to test my theory about "what was wrong" as I mentioned above, so I switched back to PES10.
It hit me like a hammer in the head straight away:
In PES the cpu has control of almost everything you do! Everytime I tried to trigger a player to run forward (left bumber on xbox) nothing really happend. I had to hold on to the ball forever, and tried multiple times to trigger a forward run, so I could make a pass. Nothing happend.
Then playing some more, I noticed that quite a lot of my passes went in a much different direction than what I originally intended. Some even went in the entirely opposite direction - however that is possible?!
The through-passes I had no control over what soever. Only if Messi had a highway to himself on the wing, I would feel that my through-pass would end up as I intended. Playing a through-pass through the middle in traffic near the penaltybox was a lottery. You have no control, what so ever, where precisely you want the ball to go. Even with passers like Iniesta or Xavi.
Everytime I had to win a header I simply had to press the pass-button, and -wupti- I won the duel.The more I played I realised that the cpu actually had much more control of what I did than I do myself.

I switched back to FIFA10 once more - and the difference in control was incredible. I play with passing and shooting set to "semi" and everything else set to "manual".
How much I have control of in the game is staggering! Everytime I triggered a players forward run (left trigger in FIFA - with my setup) the player closest to me immediately started his (deep) run - even pointing - so I didn't have to consentrate on when he was ready for the pass - but could consentrate solely on my player, and see the pointing animation "from the corner of my eye", and then make the pass.
Since I have set my passing assistance to "semi", passes went in that direction I pointed everytime. If a teammate is near my line of pass, the ball would "glue" to a direct line to him - as intended.
Through passes (set on manual) means that every through pass i make, will go in the direction I WANT. The downpoint in that is obviously, that good players stats are neutralized - but IMO I find it better this way, since many of my through passes in PES was a total lottery.
Generally the total amount of control I HAVE when playing is really amasing, compared to how much the cpu really controls you in PES!?
Here (FIFA) I have 4 different ways to dribble. 1: normal pace only with the controller, 2: sprint (right bumper - on my setup), 3: slow close control dribble (the one where you can pull off tricks, if you fancy that - I don't, much... - left trigger - on my setup) and finally the new implemented 4: slow/close control dribble button (left trigger) and sprint button (right bumper) held together and you get a very effective close control - medium speed dribble, where you can kickstart quickly into a sprint! Genious.
I have to time my headers (when I press the button) to win duels. I have 100% percent control of my crosses concerning speed, hight and curl - so I can curl my crosses away from the keeper!

I guess that is the biggest gribe I have with PES this year. Almost everything is in some way controlled by the cpu in PES. It did things against what I wanted! Even shooting was in some way controlled by the cpu... If we at least had the option to switch off some of the cpu assistance it would be great. And honestly - I really don't feel like the player individuallity in PES is that noticeable this year. Point taken - I might not have played it enough to take notice - but halfway through a match, I start to get so annoyed that the cpu does so many things against my demand.

I'll still wait for the final build to make the final judgement, but right now from the demo alone, it looks like Konami and PES are standing at the plate ready to bat - two strikes down already - and dangerously close to their third strike, which would normally mean - their out...

 

[Kevthedrummer]

I play on Xbox360 - just to get that out of the way.

I just had a couple of games more last night...
I started playing the PES10 demo first. This time I had no expectations at all, so I just wanted to get into the game. It worked out ok. Not great - just decent. I had three matches with random selected teams. And honestly - the matches didn't really feel that different.
A few things bugged me here and there. For one, I didn't feel like my forwards tried to run behind the defense-line so I could make a through pass etc. Also some passes went to players I didn't intend to play. That made me want to dribble more than I would usually do - against my own wish. Shooting however felt great - as always as you would say.
I then switched over to the FIFA10 demo. After only a few seconds i realised what "was wrong". I played a few games and must say, that scoring goals felt better this time around.
I had to test my theory about "what was wrong" as I mentioned above, so I switched back to PES10.
It hit me like a hammer in the head straight away:
In PES the cpu has control of almost everything you do! Everytime I tried to trigger a player to run forward (left bumber on xbox) nothing really happend. I had to hold on to the ball forever, and tried multiple times to trigger a forward run, so I could make a pass. Nothing happend.
Then playing some more, I noticed that quite a lot of my passes went in a much different direction than what I originally intended. Some even went in the entirely opposite direction - however that is possible?!
The through-passes I had no control over what soever. Only if Messi had a highway to himself on the wing, I would feel that my through-pass would end up as I intended. Playing a through-pass through the middle in traffic near the penaltybox was a lottery. You have no control, what so ever, where precisely you want the ball to go. Even with passers like Iniesta or Xavi.
Everytime I had to win a header I simply had to press the pass-button, and -wupti- I won the duel.The more I played I realised that the cpu actually had much more control of what I did than I do myself.

I switched back to FIFA10 once more - and the difference in control was incredible. I play with passing and shooting set to "semi" and everything else set to "manual".
How much I have control of in the game is staggering! Everytime I triggered a players forward run (left trigger in FIFA - with my setup) the player closest to me immediately started his (deep) run - even pointing - so I didn't have to consentrate on when he was ready for the pass - but could consentrate solely on my player, and see the pointing animation "from the corner of my eye", and then make the pass.
Since I have set my passing assistance to "semi", passes went in that direction I pointed everytime. If a teammate is near my line of pass, the ball would "glue" to a direct line to him - as intended.
Through passes (set on manual) means that every through pass i make, will go in the direction I WANT. The downpoint in that is obviously, that good players stats are neutralized - but IMO I find it better this way, since many of my through passes in PES was a total lottery.
Generally the total amount of control I HAVE when playing is really amasing, compared to how much the cpu really controls you in PES!?
Here (FIFA) I have 4 different ways to dribble. 1: normal pace only with the controller, 2: sprint (right bumper - on my setup), 3: slow close control dribble (the one where you can pull off tricks, if you fancy that - I don't, much... - left trigger - on my setup) and finally the new implemented 4: slow/close control dribble button (left trigger) and sprint button (right bumper) held together and you get a very effective close control - medium speed dribble, where you can kickstart quickly into a sprint! Genious.
I have to time my headers (when I press the button) to win duels. I have 100% percent control of my crosses concerning speed, hight and curl - so I can curl my crosses away from the keeper!

I guess that is the biggest gribe I have with PES this year. Almost everything is in some way controlled by the cpu in PES. It did things against what I wanted! Even shooting was in some way controlled by the cpu... If we at least had the option to switch off some of the cpu assistance it would be great. And honestly - I really don't feel like the player individuallity in PES is that noticeable this year. Point taken - I might not have played it enough to take notice - but halfway through a match, I start to get so annoyed that the cpu does so many things against my demand.

I'll still wait for the final build to make the final judgement, but right now from the demo alone, it looks like Konami and PES are standing at the plate ready to bat - two strikes down already - and dangerously close to their third strike, which would normally mean - their out...

Whoever asked me what I meant, this sums it up nicely. I haven't found a lot of fun in PES, whereas FIFA for me has that magic and that "one more game" requirement that the PES of old had. I honestly can't notice player individuality, certainly can't notice 360 movement and messing with the sliders never works out for me - and also the sliders are too fiddley.

But the graphics truly are something else.

 

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Whoever asked me what I meant, this sums it up nicely. I haven't found a lot of fun in PES, whereas FIFA for me has that magic and that "one more game" requirement that the PES of old had. I honestly can't notice player individuality, certainly can't notice 360 movement and messing with the sliders never works out for me - and also the sliders are too fiddley.

But the graphics truly are something else.

It certainly does, I managed to squeeze in two demo games this morning pre-work and I drew them both 0-0, I was gutted to be leaving having not scored.

Luckily the missus is off to Sainsburys after she finishes work tonight so I'll have a bit of time to try and make up for the lack of goals this morning

 

[DM86]

I am gonna download the FIFA10 demo me thinks... too frustrated with PES10 at the minute to appreciate it.

If FIFA10 is an improvement on last years effort then happy days, as I didn't see much wrong with last years.

 

[Kevthedrummer]

I am gonna download the FIFA10 demo me thinks... too frustrated with PES10 at the minute to appreciate it.

If FIFA10 is an improvement on last years effort then happy days, as I didn't see much wrong with last years.

I would go as far as saying, it's immense. Complete freedom. The passing system is amazing, and once you master the shooting, the coffin lid is nailed on PES, until they sort themselves out.

 

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Honourary mention for crossing too Kev, the crossing is brilliant and heading too.

It's an improvement on last years excellent game, which can only be a good thing.

 

[Kevthedrummer]

Honourary mention for crossing too Kev, the crossing is brilliant and heading too.

It's an improvement on last years excellent game, which can only be a good thing.

lets not forget the fluidity. And the mentally stable goal keepers!

5:30pm never seemed so far away.

 

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lets not forget the fluidity. And the mentally stable goal keepers!

5:30pm never seemed so far away.

Ooh, is that your finish Kev? 5:30pm? I'm off at 4:30pm.

Looking forward to getting a few games in myself.

Before the demo, I would regularly round up a couple of my brothers round my place or theirs for full Saturdays of FIFA 09, six minute matches with random teams (using a 5 goes, stick or twist method) and we worried that having all played the demo we wouldn't be able to return to FIFA 09 and would be hard pressed to spend the same amount of time playing the demo. We were wrong, we played it to death and it was brilliant, and of course only 3 minute games with a miniscule selection of teams, except you'd always be buggered when you drew Chicago Fire :laugh:

If you can do that with a demo, I think you know the full game will be a blast.

 

[heatuk10]

What I have noticed about the FIFA demo is when you play against a AI opponent, there defence plays quite a high line and I find it easy to get between the 2 centre halfs and out pace them for a free one on one with the goalkeeper!

 

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What I have noticed about the FIFA demo is when you play against a AI opponent, there defence plays quite a high line and I find it easy to get between the 2 centre halfs and out pace them for a free one on one with the goalkeeper!

Try playing your centre backs up front, it's not as easy to finish those chances.

 

[heatuk10]

depends who your centre backs are! lol

 

[Kevthedrummer]

depends who your centre backs are! lol

Roberto Larcos

 

[slider1]

I am gonna download the FIFA10 demo me thinks... too frustrated with PES10 at the minute to appreciate it.

If FIFA10 is an improvement on last years effort then happy days, as I didn't see much wrong with last years.

You should download it, it's fantastic, Fifa 09 was good, and if they've managed to iron out the couple of bugs in that game, then i think they've pretty much nailed the gameplay, and next year they can concentrate on improving the graphics, as at the moment IMO thats the only thing that is lacking compared to PES.

Fifa used to suck big time on the PS2 but since they've moved to next gen they've come up trumps, and finally started to listen to their fans and are delivering the goods. If there are any PES players that haven't played Fifa on the next gen and are basing their opinions on what Fifa used to be like a few years ago on the PS2, let me tell you it's a completly different game. PES really needs to have a complete overhaul IMO, when i play the demo it feels laboured, when i play Fifa 10 it feels sexy, Fifa 09 feels sexy compared to the PES 2010 demo. I'll rent the new PES 2010 when it's released it deserves a chance after all the years i'd spent playing the game, and i'll give it that but i'm not expecting much to be honest.

Let me finish by posting a video of Fifa 09 gameplay, this isn't my video sadly i'm not that good, but i think it sums up the sheer beauty of the game and the animations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9FYC9cSg4Y

 

[FIORE_FAN]

You should download it, it's fantastic, Fifa 09 was good, and if they've managed to iron out the couple of bugs in that game, then i think they've pretty much nailed the gameplay, and next year they can concentrate on improving the graphics, as at the moment IMO thats the only thing that is lacking compared to PES.

Fifa used to suck big time on the PS2 but since they've moved to next gen they've come up trumps, and finally started to listen to their fans and are delivering the goods. If there are any PES players that haven't played Fifa on the next gen and are basing their opinions on what Fifa used to be like a few years ago on the PS2, let me tell you it's a completly different game. PES really needs to have a complete overhaul IMO, when i play the demo it feels laboured, when i play Fifa 10 it feels sexy, Fifa 09 feels sexy compared to the PES 2010 demo. I'll rent the new PES 2010 when it's released it deserves a chance after all the years i'd spent playing the game, and i'll give it that but i'm not expecting much to be honest.

Let me finish by posting a video of Fifa 09 gameplay, this isn't my video sadly i'm not that good, but i think it sums up the sheer beauty of the game and the animations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9FYC9cSg4Y

There's only one problem with the video to wich you link: He makes it look too easy and arcady!!!! I played FIFA09 most of this year, and I can't even those shots/passes with the heel behind your back!!! Hell I've only scored on one scissorkick - and that was absolutely because of pure luck.
The die-hard, hardcore PES fan won't even realise how hard those things he pull off in that video really is..! Personally I have never seen anything like that before! He is amasing (even IF he were be playing on easy setup in these clips - 'cause the things he pulls off are out of this world - IMO). Great vid. - but for gamers who hasn't really tried FIFA he makes it look way too arcady and easy. He's just that good in those clips...:w00t

 

[slider1]

There's only one problem with the video to wich you link: He makes it look too easy and arcady!!!! I played FIFA09 most of this year, and I can't even those shots/passes with the heel behind your back!!! Hell I've only scored on one scissorkick - and that was absolutely because of pure luck.
The die-hard, hardcore PES fan won't even realise how hard those things he pull off in that video really is..! Personally I have never seen anything like that before! He is amasing (even IF he were be playing on easy setup in these clips - 'cause the things he pulls off are out of this world - IMO). Great vid. - but for gamers who hasn't really tried FIFA he makes it look way too arcady and easy. He's just that good in those clips...:w00t

He was playing online in all those clips, he only plays online, i don't know of the standard of the opposition mind as i'm pretty sure in many of those clips that anyone who was half decent at defending wouldn't allow the majority of those goals.

The main reason for the posting was just to show the sheer amount of different animations and what you can pull of in the game if you have the skills to do it.