Abidal come on, yes those defenders are fast but watch the champions league semi final arsenal man utd, look how quick Ronaldo is compared to Toure.
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Abidal come on, yes those defenders are fast but watch the champions league semi final arsenal man utd, look how quick Ronaldo is compared to Toure.
Perfectstrik
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Nothing special still seems very wooden and robotic,a better example of 360degree movement is konamis perfect striker3,this is probably what konami are aiming for in pes10.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfpOdaX8h6w
although the ball sticks to the player more in these earlier games it does demonstrate the better fluidity of 360 degree movement and the benefits of full motion capturing and the way it makes the game look more real and this could be simulated better today with the way player movement is adjusted every time the ball is touched.This game gave you total freedom of control and everything was manual and assigned to the left thumbstick and relevant buttons not assisted and orchestrated by the cpu plus you had pressure sensitive shooting,passing and penalties with no power bars as there was more weight in the ball and feel in the controller.These are very important factors in the implementation of a greater axis of movement and passing.
What it also shows is although you have 360 movement you can still have very angled movements like pes by pressing the dash button and moving the thumbstick in the relevant direction.The beauty also of these earlier games is that passing and shooting was on a 360 degree plain which is very important,its no good just allowing more freedom in your movement if you still have limited passing and shooting angles wear players move to give the illusion of more freedom in the passing plus you have to have a greater degree of play or curl in the ball that the user can apply himself.Currently both pes and fifa feel to rigid and flat with passing and shooting still limited to 45 and 90 degree angles and no real ability to change the elevation or trajectory of the ball yourself.Its about giving the user another layer to the play not just orchestrated freedom.
Another factor which people seem to forget is pes09 against fifa09 is more responsive,intinctive and instant everyhting is very delayed in fifa and there no sense of weight or kinetic energy in the ball which pes09 has.
Fifa09s not a bad game but when you strip away the graphics and better physics in places your left with a very basic game that is infact less of a simulation then pes09 that uses 16-way movement to give the sense of more realism but infact makes the game clumsy and to heavy.
Pes08-09 where always going to be the stepping stones to something far greater and more revolutionary and small steps to a more simulated realistic game more akin to konamis ISS and perfect striker series on the n64,ps1-2 that although graphically crude by todays standard did offer a level of freedom and control that the genre has lacked for ten years.
What people fail to see in pes09 is a game that was designed to have more axis of movement but due to the limited time in developement and the need for a cut off point for release its very unfinished and had to be speeded up to compensate for the lack of freedom of movement.The greater axis of passing is there but the cpu has to compensate for d-pad control and 8-axis movement which is why its very restrictive and glitchy.
MysteryMan
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Half of those are not even close to being as fast as ronaldo , a few are really fast but are they really as fast as ronaldo without the ball? Well , certainly not 3 from that list.
But didn't you say and I quote
"World class defenders are as fast as Ronaldo and Messi" ?
Sergio Ramos is certainly not , the first 3 might compare but Ronaldo's top speed is still faster.
Who said defending is all about speed , I simply quoted that guy who said world class defenders are as fast as messi and ronaldo which is a farse because there is rarely any defender that can compare to their speed.
Even so look at Barca and Manchester united in CL final , Ronaldo was clearly faster than everyone yet they managed to stop him with offside traps , closing his space so he can't push the ball alot forward and sprint etc.... and thats how it should be in fifa do you understand me? But if ronaldo has a clear space and he is up against Puyol or any other defender of that sort and manages to get the ball 20m into open space HE SHOULD outrun him , unless puyol fouls him or uses his body to stop him like Pique for example again in the CL final etc...
Do you get what I mean now? Fifa shouldn't make defenders as fast as Ronaldo if they really arent in real life , but there are other means to stop fast players , unless the situation is that he has all the space he can get and in that case its fine that he's faster , otherwise speed will be completely unimportant in the game.
Pantilimon
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Great post mate!I couldn't keep myself from saying this.
Pantilimon
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LoL?
You wanna say that Ronaldo is faster than any defender in the world?
You really should watch some matches.The objective of defenders is not to run with the ball and score!!!So you can't say a defender is slower than your beloved Ronaldo.
shankly is god
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yea because torres is quite fast and ive seen a few defenders in the prem keep up with him...
Tech_Spill You still don't have it!
Reading and comprehension are two different things, it is safe to say you can read.
you need to find your dad give him a hug, I am sure he loves ya. it may help with your aggression.
Desijut
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LOL fifa and pro are crap now when you compare it to that
Ok firstly if ronaldo was running alongside theses defenders then they would be as fast, dont forget when he gets buy them it takes a second or two to turn and catch them... and secondly get over ronaldo hes not the god of speed, there hundreds of players faster then him.
MysteryMan
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I didn't say he is faster than anyone in the world , and I have also told you to name me 3 that are clearly faster from which you have provided nothing.
I did however state that Ronaldo is faster WITHOUT THE BALL , as probably 95% of defenders in the world.
And don't you ever say beloved ronaldo to me again because your pissing me off now , I don't even like crynaldo , I was just giving a example of someone fast and how the game should work.
Ronaldo is just an example if he is that quick while dribbling with the ball he is obviously quicker than players like Toure without the ball. I think your missing the point though, Fifa lack player individuality, Ronaldo does not feel any different to another quick winger.
shaun7
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^True. Speed is also overrated in fifa 09. Dribbling technique doesn't count because you can't dribble past defenders. I mean it's so hard that it becomes unrealistic. In reality, defenders are beaten many times in a match, but that depends on the situation. In fifa 09 that situation is so rare that it's not realistic at all.
Also defending is about being smarter than attacker and anticipating him + good tackles not speed. In fifa 09 you can never use dribbling techniques and player individuality does not exist. Ronaldo, messi and kaka are great examples. They should be faster with the ball and the response should be much faster and there's no difference in player's dribble skill. Also beating defenders shouldn't be as hard with players that have high dribbling technique. i was talking about dribbling speed in my other post not top speed. Ronaldo is not a top speed god or something. I know. But dribbling speed is a different story. Kaka and messi are faster on the ball though.
Do not cover up fifa. It is better than pes 09, but it isn't realistic as you may say.
Also defending is about being smarter than attacker and anticipating him + good tackles not speed. In fifa 09 you can never use dribbling techniques and player individuality does not exist. Ronaldo, messi and kaka are great examples. They should be faster with the ball and the response should be much faster and there's no difference in player's dribble skill. Also beating defenders shouldn't be as hard with players that have high dribbling technique. i was talking about dribbling speed in my other post not top speed. Ronaldo is not a top speed god or something. I know. But dribbling speed is a different story. Kaka and messi are faster on the ball though.
EXCACTLY. You can only beat defenders with speed on fifa 09 not technique. Dribbling on fifa 09 is a major minus even though it has great moves. Response sucks too.
i first saw Fifa Console gameplay video and this is what u guys so proud of ? 
Look at this ball .. ball physics and players "transition animation" is aweful compared to PES2009.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-RSPAnnD3A
Look at this ball .. ball physics and players "transition animation" is aweful compared to PES2009.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-RSPAnnD3A
Amateur
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The Brazilian Ronaldo did scored those goals you are talking about, Romario scored that type of goal, Thierry Henry also... however, Cristiano Ronaldo does NOT usually scores those goals.
Perhaps you think too much of CR7's speed, because as far as I'm concerned I have seen more explosive players than him.
Then again you need to look at the space available on the pitch, you don't have enough space in the Goal Area... therefore "explosiveness" is more important than "top speed" in small spaces. Something that imo Cristiano Ronaldo does lacks, he isn't comfortable in small spaces.
He is very good through either flank, having loads of space to gain speed... but look at him play, he rarely ever scores the goals you're mentioning.
I would agree if you were talking about Romario or Ronaldo, or Thierry Henry 3 years back, etc.
As for running at defenders, or dribbling past them, etc. I still think FIFA09 (despite the "trick stick") is very one-dimensional in this respect... there's no 'real' skill involved, it lacks a lot of responsiveness amongst other things.
So all things considered, I do understand your dissapointment with this, but I don't agree that having a faster Cristiano Ronaldo is going to "fix" this problem.
proevofan88
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The problem now with PES is that it is TOO easy to beat defenders ( but that was addressed by most of the play testers in the 50% build )
The problem with FIFA is that the differences between MESSI and ETOO or RONALDO and OBAFEMI MARTINS are nonexistent.
The difference between teams for example like CHELSEA and JUVENTUS is, again, nonexistent.
The problem with FIFA is that the differences between MESSI and ETOO or RONALDO and OBAFEMI MARTINS are nonexistent.
The difference between teams for example like CHELSEA and JUVENTUS is, again, nonexistent.
shaun7
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True. But overall gameplay in fifa 09 is still better than in pes 09, but still it's not quality enough especially for a ps3.
Fifa has it's own major problems that weren't mentioned in online reviews or forums.
byrnie05
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FIFA 09's biggest problem I thought is that it was completely soulless. I enjoyed 08, it still seemed like FIFA, but the new one was just too earnest, making football like a really technical effort, but if you want that, you play for real.
Pro Evo bottles the excitement of football; it may not be as realistic, but it only really gives you those hero moments, the main reason why you play a game.
Pro Evo bottles the excitement of football; it may not be as realistic, but it only really gives you those hero moments, the main reason why you play a game.
Tech_Skill
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Fifa 09 is technical, thats why i like it, i play for realism, in the past that meant playing pes, but now, fifa has what it takes for me.
The set peice editior is another thing im very much looking forward too, also little things like players getting out of the way of passes they know are not meant for them, little things.
PES is arcade compared to FIFA at the moment imo.
zeemeister
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FIFA ''looks'' more real as a result of the movement and animation.
But it lacks realism in player ability when it comes to dribbling and and other individual traits.
In FIFA 09 for example Mascherano is no different from Deco while PES2009 captures the realism in the two players ability.
Another argument is that FIFA is more real because you can pass manually to any position on the pitch, fact is, in reality Dossena doesn't pass as well as Scholes and Fifas manual option makes this reality null and void. PES still manages to capture the individuality in this respect but falls short in the game engine that doesn't accomodate for wayward passing IMO.
All in all ladies and gentleman both these games fell short. Maybe 2010 will be the year that we have 2 epic football games
But it lacks realism in player ability when it comes to dribbling and and other individual traits.
In FIFA 09 for example Mascherano is no different from Deco while PES2009 captures the realism in the two players ability.
Another argument is that FIFA is more real because you can pass manually to any position on the pitch, fact is, in reality Dossena doesn't pass as well as Scholes and Fifas manual option makes this reality null and void. PES still manages to capture the individuality in this respect but falls short in the game engine that doesn't accomodate for wayward passing IMO.
All in all ladies and gentleman both these games fell short. Maybe 2010 will be the year that we have 2 epic football games
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