ye i might be missing the point a bit allright, speed is an issue in pro though, iwhen me and my mates play a player like henri camara is amazing, even better then someone who is clearly better then him in real life like ibrahimovic... it also makes payers like berbatov awful to play wit at times, and even worse all young players and lesser players say at stoke or something are all slow for no god reason..
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ye i might be missing the point a bit allright, speed is an issue in pro though, iwhen me and my mates play a player like henri camara is amazing, even better then someone who is clearly better then him in real life like ibrahimovic... it also makes payers like berbatov awful to play wit at times, and even worse all young players and lesser players say at stoke or something are all slow for no god reason..
McCarthy10
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Im sorry but can i say Toure is blumin rapid he'll keep up with ronaldo anyday LOL even samba could when they came down to ewood sorry if i sound a bit rude im not being rude i swear
proevofan88
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Uhmm....FIFA 09 is nothing like PES5 or PES6. Let's just stop it right there so as to not get ahead of ourselves.
And while we are at it. FIFA 09 is NOT A GOOD game. You think it is? Fine, its your opinion but dont tell ME ( as in, the person who is writing this ) that PES 2009 is shit
It may not be what PES once was but to ME it is certainly a mopre enjoyable experience.
In FIFA I score the same goals over and over or at least that is how I feel.
People make it out to be like FIFA 09 is the greatest soccer game ever. Not even close man. It barely beats out PES 2009. You think EA actually made a bettre game than KONAMI? Noman, what happened is that KONAMI beat themselves by making a game that can actually be compared to FIFA ( which was never heard of before because everyone knew the next PES coming would destroy FIFA, no comparison ).
Please, dont make FIFA09 seem more than it is.
Its a decent game ( after 15 years of trying by EA ). Konami has been making great games for well over 10 years now. And we should assume that PES2010 will suck because PES2008 wasnt all that and neither is PES 2009? Get outta here man for real. These forums were actually a lot better without your bullshit. Some people need to open up their minds and see FIFAs flaws:
-NO PLAYER LIKENESSES ( titus bramble and chiellini, whats the difference in FIFA? )
-Chelsea and INTER ( whats the difference )
-You can use NEWCASTLE UNITED and just use lofted through balls for MARTINS and bam you will win. GUARANTEED.
-Ball physics are SHIT
-is it a bird? is it a ball? no, its a BALLOON..
-You press PASS and it registers 27 seconds later ( RESPONSIVENESS, in case you didnt get it TECH )
- 10v10..innovative? Definitely! Functional?....its about as useful as a woodpecker on a metal pole
-Manager Mode. Where is the CL? where is the EL? where is the PLAYER DEVELOPMENT? ( oh thats right you have REAL currency )
-No excitement in the FINAL third
I realize PES 2009 has its flaws ( that is why I dont play either PES 2009 or FIFA 2009 ) but please dont come here with your stupid bulllshit about how FIFa is great.
And you also make it seem like you have played FIFA10...all I hear from you is FIFA 10 WILL HAVE THIS FIFA10 WILL HAVE THAT AND ALSO THIS...
shut the hell up man. Seriously, you are annoying.
Die Hard Pes Fan
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^^ Well said, all the people who think Fifa is better than it is, fuck off to some shitty Fifa forum and leave PES 2010 for people who are optimistic and have a open mind that the game will ever be the best PES ever or shit like 08.
Both games have there flaws, the diffrence is PES fans know and accept the flaws that there game has (that is why we are on this forum) and Fifa fans keep denying the fact that Fifa 09 is shit and wont listen to any flaws that people have to say, because Fifa 09 is unflawable, wake up and accept both games were shit this year!
Well said we know the flaws of pes 2009 and this is why we are optimistic about pes 2010. The reason for such optimism is we know Konami can create the magic from ps2 days. One can admire fifa for is technicality, but has it ever been truly magical.
Die Hard Pes Fan
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Exactally, I wonder how many people would by Fifa if they didnt have the licensing.
People only think Fifas better because the have licensing, if PES had the licensing it would clearly kick Fifas and there fanboys arses.
shankly is god
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well not me I only buy fifa because of the online....so i would ask of that only
Die Hard Pes Fan
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Apparantly PES 2010 has far better online as they have hired people just to work on the online.
I was talking about the people who just come on this sight just to slabber about PES, when there game isnt the dogs bollocks either.
shankly is god
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^^ yea im probs the first to jump in and defend pes... but saying that i will say
that both games will offer different values the 2010 series will offer the very different that will become something else
that both games will offer different values the 2010 series will offer the very different that will become something else
Die Hard Pes Fan
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Yea I dont mind that if Fifa fans had balanced opinions. I'm sure also 2010 football games will reach new hights and bring it to the next level.
RIP Daniel Jarque, Espanyol Skipper died recently after collapsing after a training session in his hotel room.:crymore:
CryingGallas
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You just raped Techman! It is up to Techman to get revenge!
proevofan88
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FIFA 10 and PES 2010 are obviously taking different routes.
Which one will win out? I can hardly tell now but since I have gotten so USED to the PES formula I really dont think I will adapt to FIFAs...
Someone on here mentioned it perfectly....FIFA is great technically but it lacks soul.
2 Football games that are going in 2 different directions. More chances to satisfy a broader audience.
Which one will win out? I can hardly tell now but since I have gotten so USED to the PES formula I really dont think I will adapt to FIFAs...
Someone on here mentioned it perfectly....FIFA is great technically but it lacks soul.
2 Football games that are going in 2 different directions. More chances to satisfy a broader audience.
proevofan88
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( I get the feeling that most people view the PES2010 section so I will ask this here )
My friend has a 42' HDTV
He was wondering if PES can be played in WIDE SCREEN ( i know, it would be stretched but thats ok ) on his TV on a PS2?
AND which PES is the best on the PS2?
( if this cant be here be free to move it in the appropriate section )
My friend has a 42' HDTV
He was wondering if PES can be played in WIDE SCREEN ( i know, it would be stretched but thats ok ) on his TV on a PS2?
AND which PES is the best on the PS2?
( if this cant be here be free to move it in the appropriate section )
shaun7
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^For ps2, go with pes 6 or 5.
BTW that post about fifa's lack of things is really well said, even though I think that fifa 09 is a better game overall than pes 09.But fifa 09 has it's own MAJOR ISSUES.
Yeah, true.
BTW that post about fifa's lack of things is really well said, even though I think that fifa 09 is a better game overall than pes 09.But fifa 09 has it's own MAJOR ISSUES.
Yeah, true.
every game has issues but fifa 09 > pes 09. pro evo of the past was definitely many times better until fifa 08. Then it went downhill. Fifa is not about licenses, it's about variety and gameplay. Pro Evo just feels like a current gen ps2 game gone bad. It's the truth. I'm hoping for two great football games this year. Fanboys only hope for one.
Tech_Skill
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Right, you started this, so don't go crying to the mods with your bleeding vagina now.
Ermm, how about you stop sniffing your pes dickrag and understand that CPU automated everything, 8 directions, players having about 4/5 different shooting animations, players bouncing off each other like they are made of jello.... are fucking over, done, old, finished.
For its time pes 5 was a great game, newsflash, its time was about 4/5 years ago. But in the face of full manual and weighed passing, the technique is outdated.
You are not in control, the cpu is controlling the game for you, controlling your passing, shooting, penalties, weight of passing, its called assistance.
Now you don't quite understand the meaning of player control, your one of the dimwits that tried to argue manual/semi manual gives you less control than CPU assisted controls.
Heres some analogies.
Think about cars, actually nah,..
think about your wheelchair, the fancy one with a gearstick on it.
Which gives you more control, Automatic gearing or Manual gearing?
Okay you still aint got it.
You know how in the morning the special needs bus picks you up and takes you to school?
That assistance.
Where as I walk to work.
Thats manual.
Now if you wanna talk about how good fifa is in this generation and how good pes5 was in its generation, thats fine, but to compare them directly and seriously say pes 5 has more advanced gameplay is retarded, two different eras.
Its like saying Rod Laver with his wooden racket would beat Andre Agassi in game of tennis right now, ermm no, technology has advanced to the point where the players of today are more advanced.
Your a mark, plain and simple, you started playing pes at pes 5, and think you can start fucking lecturing veterans who have being playing for years and years, i'll you whatever I like mate, you dont like it, pull up your panties and go run into someone else's thread.
Good for you, what do want? A doggie biscuit?
Haha, such hypocrisy coming from the player of game where you can score the same old run down the wing and cutback goal every time, score the same goal blasting the ball at the keeper and watching him spill it into the net goal, take one player and go through entire teams.
The pes online is notorious for players scoring goals with the same tactics over and over, so stop with the delusional fantasy that this only ever happens in fifa.
Who in here has said that? ermmm no one. You need to get of the pill and try a coil. seriously.
Do we even need to go through pes 2009's flaws for the 50th time, no, you cant even understand the difference between being in control of how you play and the CPU helping you do nearly everything.
1) Konami have been making football games for about 15 years, and you played about 4 of them you clown lol, pes 5 noob, stop lying.
2) Don't make me have to get the quote of you on my dick like some 2 dollar whore yapping on about 'these forums are more exciting when i'm about'
now your changing your tune (yet again), fucking 'rent a gob', stop lying.
3) No here said fifa didnt have flaws, infact they were being discussed by grown men, before you came in flapping your fanny lips and bleeding over this topic. You need a maxi pad, stop lying.
4) You degraded 360 movement on fifa, till you heard it might be in pes 2010, then you came in here with your pes hard-on and told everyone you the news was 100% being announced this Friday, and guess what??? Nothing happened, who's your reliable source again? fucking tomato sauce that's who, stop lying.
Ermm, how about you stop sniffing your pes dickrag and understand that CPU automated everything, 8 directions, players having about 4/5 different shooting animations, players bouncing off each other like they are made of jello.... are fucking over, done, old, finished.
For its time pes 5 was a great game, newsflash, its time was about 4/5 years ago. But in the face of full manual and weighed passing, the technique is outdated.
You are not in control, the cpu is controlling the game for you, controlling your passing, shooting, penalties, weight of passing, its called assistance.
Now you don't quite understand the meaning of player control, your one of the dimwits that tried to argue manual/semi manual gives you less control than CPU assisted controls.
Heres some analogies.
Think about cars, actually nah,..
think about your wheelchair, the fancy one with a gearstick on it.
Which gives you more control, Automatic gearing or Manual gearing?
Okay you still aint got it.
You know how in the morning the special needs bus picks you up and takes you to school?
That assistance.
Where as I walk to work.
Thats manual.
Now if you wanna talk about how good fifa is in this generation and how good pes5 was in its generation, thats fine, but to compare them directly and seriously say pes 5 has more advanced gameplay is retarded, two different eras.
Its like saying Rod Laver with his wooden racket would beat Andre Agassi in game of tennis right now, ermm no, technology has advanced to the point where the players of today are more advanced.
Your a mark, plain and simple, you started playing pes at pes 5, and think you can start fucking lecturing veterans who have being playing for years and years, i'll you whatever I like mate, you dont like it, pull up your panties and go run into someone else's thread.
Good for you, what do want? A doggie biscuit?
Haha, such hypocrisy coming from the player of game where you can score the same old run down the wing and cutback goal every time, score the same goal blasting the ball at the keeper and watching him spill it into the net goal, take one player and go through entire teams.
The pes online is notorious for players scoring goals with the same tactics over and over, so stop with the delusional fantasy that this only ever happens in fifa.
Who in here has said that? ermmm no one. You need to get of the pill and try a coil. seriously.
Do we even need to go through pes 2009's flaws for the 50th time, no, you cant even understand the difference between being in control of how you play and the CPU helping you do nearly everything.
1) Konami have been making football games for about 15 years, and you played about 4 of them you clown lol, pes 5 noob, stop lying.
2) Don't make me have to get the quote of you on my dick like some 2 dollar whore yapping on about 'these forums are more exciting when i'm about'
now your changing your tune (yet again), fucking 'rent a gob', stop lying.
3) No here said fifa didnt have flaws, infact they were being discussed by grown men, before you came in flapping your fanny lips and bleeding over this topic. You need a maxi pad, stop lying.
4) You degraded 360 movement on fifa, till you heard it might be in pes 2010, then you came in here with your pes hard-on and told everyone you the news was 100% being announced this Friday, and guess what??? Nothing happened, who's your reliable source again? fucking tomato sauce that's who, stop lying.
shaun7
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^Not to sound like I am defending someone but:
For example. In pes 5, I can play Pirlo and I would know I am playing with him because his through balls were much better than let's say sissoko. But sissoko's tackling was superior.
While the cpu does assist, it assists basing on the player's skill. That is a good thing. And no, passes were direction controlled not cpu controlled in pes 5.
As for goal variation. It's missing in fifa and you know that. Now this comes from super goalkeeping (way too fast for such slow and low powered shooting) and bad shot power. In reality, the shot is much more powerful than in fifa 09.
That's wrong. Totally wrong. THE CPU DECIDED BASING ON PLAYER'S SKILL in pes 5. That brings player individuality. Something totally missing in fifa.
For example. In pes 5, I can play Pirlo and I would know I am playing with him because his through balls were much better than let's say sissoko. But sissoko's tackling was superior.
While the cpu does assist, it assists basing on the player's skill. That is a good thing. And no, passes were direction controlled not cpu controlled in pes 5.
As for goal variation. It's missing in fifa and you know that. Now this comes from super goalkeeping (way too fast for such slow and low powered shooting) and bad shot power. In reality, the shot is much more powerful than in fifa 09.
Tech_Skill
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Your having diffculty understanding what im saying.
At its simplest.
It doesnt matter who where what and why pes has CPU assisted passing, the fact is..
IT DOES.
and the gameplay in fifa offers your significantly more freedom and control than pes and is more technical than pes.
Yes there is an issue with player individuality fifa, to say 'every player plays the same' is garbage, im actually playing it right now and let me assure you, sissoko is not playing exactly the same as Giovinco. lol
Thats a whole different issue.
Same with goal variation its an issue in BOTH games, not just one lol, seriously read what im saying.
In terms of realism and control, its not realistic to press x and for the ball to go where you want it to go without weighting, keeping possession in pes 5 is dead easy as a result, especially after playing fifa 09, because you just pick one of 8 directions and press a button. Its not realistic not being able to control penalties and it being a lottery as to where the ball goes.
For all the talk about player individuality in pes, the AI totally ruins alot of it.
Do we even need to talk about cpu peter crouch being able to chase down martins? Where's the realism in that?
Do we need to talk about Lille being able to play Barcelona style football?
Both games have flaws, but in terms of realistic gameplay and control and skill, fifa 09 is more advanced than pes imo, if people disagree, thats down to them.
Remember, if fifa have got it so wrong with realism and control, why is it setting the trends in this era of gaming? 360 movement, powerbar passing, custom tactics, full manual controls, create your own set pieces are the kind of ideas the other games are aspiring to put in their own version. The other games are playing catch up, thats why they are copying fifa ideas, the same way when pes was the innovator and trend setter, fifa copied its ideas.
Luis_Garcia
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Shut up.
Whens this news expected then?
Whens this news expected then?
shaun7
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NO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND MY ARGUMENT. I understood what you said, but you failed to understand what I said.
I never denied that pes has assisted passing. I said that in pes 5 (not others, well maybe pes 6 too), the cpu decided the pass BASING ON PLAYER'S PASSING SKILL. That is a great thing even though you won't feel as free. However, it brings player individuality so you will still feel free with every player and you will feel the difference between them.
Also the direction of the pass is decided by the player. So overall I prefer the pes one because every player will feel different and player's skill is tested. In fifa I can make great passes with anyone. That's the main difference and that's why pes 5's passing was great. If fifa everything on manual, took much more notice of player's skill in passing, it would be great but with the powerbar, it can never reach pes 5's player individuality.
As for goal variation. Pes 09 lacks it aswell especially compared to pes 6 and 5. But on fifa 09, although better than any fifa to date, the variation is still lacking. You almost never beat the keeper with dribbling.:shocking: In football today, the keeper is beaten many times. I mean even pippo inzaghi beat chech in the world cup and he is not a dribbler.:laugh:
As for penalties. Fifa is the best surley. It brings control.
Also, I really like fifa's finesse shot. That's another plus for fifa. But do not ignore the bad things I listed because if fifa fixes those, it would be the best game ever. However the issues I listed, prevent that from happening because those aren't small issues.
Also what you said about pes is called AI CHEATING and I said it countless times that I hate it. This happens on pes 09 many times, but pes 5 and 6 were much better as they had much less AI cheating so they were more enjoyable.
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