Overrated players: Martins!!!

[JohnSound]

seems the Juventus players are generally over rated because they have won the league.

Or maybe you're under rating them. They did win the league undefeated after all, and are still undefeated this season. I don't like Juve either, but credit where credit's due.

I fully agree with the comments about Overall Rating being misleading. It draws your attention and makes you judge too quickly. I think the best way to judge if PES has over or under rated players is to play with and against them and see if they perform as you expect.

I also agree that lower league players can be faster & stronger etc. For example if Usain Bolt did actually get signed up by someone obviously there would be no-one faster, but overall you'd expect him to be a lot worse than many slow players.

 

[Macksam]

I don't think I've ever seen Ribery or Robben perform well on the world stage.

Were you around for World Cup 2006 or are you fairly new to the sport? Outside of Zidane, Ribery was another reason France got to the final.

I played Juventus yesterday for the first time in this version, found that all the players seemed to have really high overall ratings, Reto Ziegler is an 80 a left back and in centre mid, Krasic is an 88 despite rarely playing regular football(i know he;s gone now though) Lucio is a 90 for some bizarre reason, I mean hes better than any premiership defender in the game with a rating like that I think. Felipe Melo is an 87 too, a player once voted the worst player in Serie A, seems the Juventus players are generally over rated because they have won the league.

Lucio is better than most prem defenders outside of Kompany.

 

[soc160]

Or maybe you're under rating them. They did win the league undefeated after all, and are still undefeated this season. I don't like Juve either, but credit where credit's due.

I also agree that lower league players can be faster & stronger etc. For example if Usain Bolt did actually get signed up by someone obviously there would be no-one faster, but overall you'd expect him to be a lot worse than many slow players.

I have no dislike for Juventus, no opinion what so ever, i watch Serie a whenever its on and have seen a bit of them this season in the champions league and I don't think I am under rating them at all. As I said, Ziegler never played in the league for them, and was an average player at Sampdoria for 2 of his years there, an 80 is far too high, same applies to Krasic who played about 10 games last season, in comparison to other players in these positions, I think we would all agree that Arshavin is overrated so the same should be applied to players like that, players like Vidal, Buffon and Chiellini are good and have shown that on a consistent basis. I just think if you go in and pick the team based on the ratings you will see all the starters are above 80, some above 85 even though they have done little to prove this over the last season and these stats have been carried over for years.

Lucio is better than most prem defenders outside of Kompany.

Well Kompany is a quality player, although im not sure what his rating is in the game.
As for your point, I would have to disagree, if I gave you the choice of Vidic, Jagielka, Vermalen, Agger or Lucio would you really choose him, at 34? Not saying all them players are better than him, but Lucio's stats have carried over from 3 years ago to now, at Inter, under Mouriniho, he was a world class centre back, but lets not forget he was part of an inter team who finished outside the top 3 teams. Also at 90 he is equally as good as Chiellini, which is just downright confusing.

 

[Stormrider]

Konami's always been so slow when it comes to nerfing or boosting players. No doubt Lucio was 1 of the finest a few years back but not anymore. He's still a very good defender but not a 90. About Felipe Melo, at 1 point he was 1 of the very best holding midfielders. It's mostly his attitude that gets questioned as he suddenly just stopped trying.

Konami should really have a dedicated team looking into player stats year round. Heck even a 1 person team would do, preferably non Japanese. Nothing against the Japanese but it's just imo in this department I'd prefer someone from Europe. I mean it took them like 5 years to realize that Antonio Valencia doesn't use his left foot. It also shouldn't take them 3 years or more to realize that a player has gone into decline due to various reasons, Adriano being 1 of the best examples.

More love needs to be shown to young players as well. Does anyone remember when Messi was absolute shit?

 

[Ali]

Were you around for World Cup 2006 or are you fairly new to the sport? Outside of Zidane, Ribery was another reason France got to the final.

In fairness, that was 6 years ago. I don't think he has done anything of note since.

More love needs to be shown to young players as well. Does anyone remember when Messi was absolute shit?

Young players are generally rated lower to give them room for development in ML.

 

[NeedHelp]

In fairness, that was 6 years ago. I don't think he has done anything of note

You obviously don't know Ribery at all.

 

[Ali]

I stand by my opinion until I see him do something of note. :folarm:

(Before you try, that doesn't include Youtube compilations.... because those can make anyone look good.... even David Ngog!)

 

[NeedHelp]

I stand by my opinion until I see him do something of note. :folarm:

(Before you try, that doesn't include Youtube compilations.... because those can make anyone look good.... even David Ngog!)

So in the past few years no attacking players except for Messi and Ronaldo have done anything of note I guess? Because otherwise there is no acceptable explanation for your statements regarding Ribery.

 

[Ali]

Look, I've seen Ribery in several tournaments since 2006, and in the Champions League occasionally. At no point did I think "wow.... this guy is one of the best players in the world". Let's leave it at that.

 

[oziz14]

Look, I've seen Ribery in several tournaments since 2006, and in the Champions League occasionally. At no point did I think "wow.... this guy is one of the best players in the world". Let's leave it at that.

In the Champions League 'occasionally'...that's the point mate...you need to watch him consistently...and in the BUNDESLIGA AS WELL...he is a master for Bayern

 

[gaurav]

Ribery is a classy player. i have seen him in GERMAN LEAGUE,both Ribery & Robben combining to form ROBBERY for Bayren. and shiquri as well.

 

[Ali]

Would you honestly say he's better than the likes of Aguero, Van Persie, and Ozil? Because if you can't, by that logic he IS overrated on PES.

 

[NeedHelp]

Would you honestly say he's better than the likes of Aguero, Van Persie, and Ozil? Because if you can't, by that logic he IS overrated on PES.

Yes, he's better.

 

[JohnSound]

There's a lot of people who disagree with you Ali! I think this whole thread is highlighting how much personal opinion can vary, so no matter what Konami did some of us would complain.

However, stormrider & soc160 highlight a big flaw that Konami really need to address, in that they don't update their stats anywhere near quickly enough. 3 year old stats is inexcusable. By the way soc160, point taken about Juve, you clearly know your stuff

 

[Sminky]

Look, I've seen Ribery in several tournaments since 2006, and in the Champions League occasionally. At no point did I think "wow.... this guy is one of the best players in the world". Let's leave it at that.

To be fair Ali, that generalisation could be levelled at the majority of star names. Neither Ronaldo or Messi tore up trees at 2010 World Cup but because our awareness of these players is greater than that of Ribery its easy to confuse being subjective with an appraisal of the facts.

Also Ali, its worth noting you have a propensity for making some daft sweeping statements, only earlier in this thread you made this rather amusing faux pas:

Amero (though, I can't really say I know anything about him, but a rating of 93 seems a bit high from someone who isn't that well known)

Now this comment raises an interesting thought, you're not going to be the only person to think this, do we not trust Konami at all with scoring statistics for players? This very same conversation could be taking place on a German speaking PES forum arguing whether [Insert English based player] was overrated simply because they weren't well known or had a bad tournament.

As far as Ribery is concerned, he's not overrated as viewers of the Bundesliga will testify.

 

[Ali]

FFS.

Right.....

Dear viewers of the Bundesliga (excluding biased Bayern fans),

Is Ribery the best player in your league? More importantly, is he one of the best 5 players in world and does he completely justify his ludicrously high overall rating?

Sincerely,

Ali
Sminky's former PSN friend

 

[Sminky]

Who is Sminky?

 

[oziz14]

Would you honestly say he's better than the likes of Aguero, Van Persie, and Ozil? Because if you can't, by that logic he IS overrated on PES.

I think this is an irrelevant comparison because non of the mentioned above (all whom I admire as much as Ribery) are not pure wingers like him.

If you wanna make a comparison, compare Ribery to a winger like him...and If you wanna judge him correctly, review his contribution in numbers.

You will find that...RIBERY REACHES DOUBLE FIGURES IN GOALS AND ASSISTS EVERY SEASON...now this is not something common for a midfielder.

 

[Bite.Me]

I just cannot believe that Obafemi Martins in PES 2013 is the same he used to be about 10 years ago!

How on earth does Martins have a top speed higher than Messi and CR7...and a shot power higher than Bale and many others.

UNBELIEVABLE KONAMI...and also Wright-Philips has a shot power of 85 and he is one of the poorest shooters from distance.

Let's bring some facts in:

Yes, some players are ridicously overrated, while others (mostly small leagues players') are tremendously underrated.


You did choose a poor example in Martins.

His shot power has been one of top ones recorded ever in the PL, (I think of current PL, van Persie is the one who recorded the fastest shot).

Top speed and Messi also don't go along way... he clearly doesn't have top level speed.

Concerning Ribery, I do believe most of his stats are realistic....

And the top 5 part is ridiculous, because midfield players are very underrated in PES (because creativity is all in the players hands).

I stand by my opinion until I see him do something of note. :folarm:

(Before you try, that doesn't include Youtube compilations.... because those can make anyone look good.... even David Ngog!)

Do you watch CL games?

He's been one of the most consistent performers at european level, in years...

 

[Ali]

Do you watch CL games?

He's been one of the most consistent performers at european level, in years...

I don't watch CL games consistently.

I willing to step down with my arguments anyway, due to the fact that pretty much everyone disagrees with me :laugh:.

Let's move on to Robben. What would you say about him? He was hit and miss at Chelsea, and although he has progressed since then, from what I've seen of him, he is very much the same. Every now and then he'll do something amazing..... but a lot of the time he seems to look very average to me.

Oh, btw Bite.Me - you can use the edit button instead of posting more than once in succession. Or us the multiquote button - ", if you want to quote more than 1 post.