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PES 2012 and that "other game 12." What deserves your money?

Craney91

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PES 2012 to me sounds very positive all be it early, I'm trying to not get to caught up, as of course like many here, I am yet to play it for myself.

The information people have gave who HAVE PLAYED IT, seems to be very very positive at this early stage and from the game play I have seen, it looks very nostalgic and a lot better/improved on 2011. It is obviously getting "that vibe" and anticipation this time around like no other PES of recent. People are talking about PES now in a different shade, giving it the respect and time it deserves. I feel Konami are genuinely onto something this time around, for the first time since the brilliant PS2 years, when of course we had PES 1, 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 and 6....when that "other game" in all honesty, was really IRRELEVANT back then! (I think we should all remember that!)

PES 2011 was definitely onto something, almost like an un-cut diamond, when its nearest "competition" was more like sloppy mash potato turning very stale.

We all know what your gonna get from the "other game" every year.

I for one, cannot stand the "other game" and to be honest with you, never really have. "That developer" insults us, true football fans. They tend to fall back on the old, "Well we have all the licenses, so we are simulation" IMO there is nothing simulation about the "other game" it does nothing for me. It generally works like this for the "other game..." It is now aimed at a certain stereotype player with the game designed to find self-proclaimed and obvious grey areas, to keep everyone and anyone "content". Focusing on "that kiddy card game" while the game itself is ignored all year round. The game itself does not encourage football, it encourages play to exploit and abuse bad aspects of the game first and how many times they are capable of doing it.

Football involved is at a bare minimum, ironically in this "football" game. It plays out more like Ice Hockey than it does Football and with the "new" feature of the gimmicky over the top reactions to "Impact" tackles, it seems like they have designed a game to play like Rugby and NOT FOOTBALL, which they have been blatantly been building on for some years now....just for my theory to basically be totally confirmed. The direction they are taking is the opposite of what they should be, yet the blind brainwashed "casual" gamer sucks up for it every year. Why?

If I load up the "other game 11" after playing PES 2011, I can pick it up effortlessly and easily. Everything is totally automatic and done for. It has zero learning curve and after 2 minutes, you can already find patterns of play or exploits that work and sweet spots to shoot from on the edge of the box using RB. Same goals, same football EVERY GAME......I remember "the other game 99" being like this? or is that just me? Groundhog day football at its finest, no variety.

If you switch back to PES 2011 after playing "the other game 11" it is so hard I have found to totally adjust back to, you end up doing the horrible habits you picked up from the "other game" that clearly do not work. PES 2011 has a massive learning curve, just when you think you have "got it"....it gets you. This is the main reason I think people refuse to look at it enough to get an opinion of it, it is simply to hard for them and the suckers give up after 5 minutes.

To me "the other game" looks the same in every way shape and form every single year, does it really justify £40 annually?

Or does the alternative, that is clearly changing for the better every year, deserve £40 annually?

"the other game" - Aimed at people that want everything done for them.

PES - Aimed at people who have brain cells.

It is a no brainer for me this year, the "other game 12" will remain glued to its fucking shelf in the shop, where it should be.

The only football game that will grace my console is PES 2012.
 

shaun7

Registered User
That was a bit too much favoured to pes ;)
But you mentioned some good points. Not the difficulty, but the same goals same football thing. Fifa suffers tremendously from this. And player individuality is just not there.

But pes has other unacceptable things like animations, flow, catch up bug (which is removed in pes 12), response times and placed shots not curling the way they should.

Based on the 2001 performance of both games, I would rate pes 11 better than fifa 11, even if I got fifa 11 earlier, because I had faith that it would be better than pes. But I was wrong. Pes 11 bettered it overall because football is something non repetitive and pes imitates this, fifa does not.

So THIS IS THE FIRST YEAR IN ALMOST 4 YEARS that I have faith in pes delivering a great gaming experience. So I'll go for pes 12 on pc (easier patches).
 

sydney2008

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I have seen the Gameplay videos and i mean the videos that other friends were playing PES 2012 at E3 , each one is almost 6 minutes , and you know what , i felt unlucky not to play with them that time :)
man , i have to admit , what i saw on the videos wasn`t PES , it was a different football game , i couldn`t belive that it was PES 2012 CODE , the Gameplay was fluid , awesome , active , the AI is acting very well in real time , Goalkeepers were very responsitive in time , referees were right in decisions and let the game continue then they book the player after the game stops , but what most impressed me is the AI ,and how the players takes position while playing in defence and attack areas , i really got crazy because once you see how the players takes place without having the ball and create many spaces and chances to score a goal , that i never seen in a football game before , a good matter also here is controlling the ball , which the fans was there , there were playing very smoothly , and they can pass the defender or make a fake direction then have the ball and pass to the other one , another point here also is the animations , you really gonna feel that you are in a real game on tv , players act like in real life , Goalkeepers move , having the ball , even they go out to defend 18 yard if there is a big pressure and if it needs to , the buttomn line is , as i feel im a good player :) and as what i saw on the video , I really want the demo right away , and i really really can`t wait any longer . This game will be epic not for only PES series , but for all football games in a matter of the upcoming years . Thank you .
 

Craney91

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No by all means I agree, neither game is perfect and never will be.

PES 2012 will have its faults no doubt, just as much as the "other game."

But one game represents football, more than the other and that is the game I will be getting.

FIFA does not play like football to me, Offline or Online. It encourages faulty game play to be exposed and tends to cater for one style.

PES plays nothing like football either (I know, I know ;) ) But it plays more like football than "the other game" does? Do you get what I'm saying?

It comes down to weighing up the negatives and "the other game" is in a league of its own regards negatives.
 

Typho2k

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the biggest reason for playing pes 2011 (and 12 soon) for me is because it gives me almost the exact kind of fun i have when im playing football irl... which for me is the most important factor in a football game.

pes doesnt play exactly like real life football, but it kinda feels like it anyway
 

bApTizE

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i have PES 11 on DVD and download copy of FIFA 11. After playing both, my heart fell for FIFA11 for the following reasons:

1. Better player movements, animations.
2. Manual ball control, no assisted passing/shooting.

These are the only two things that made me double click the FIFA 11 icon on my desktop.

This year, unfortunately i can't afford buying two so i have to make a wise decision on which one to buy.

as you can see, i'm not picky! all i care about is game play. Konami promising improvements and new features EA promising NG FIFA 12 on PC, we will see.
 

sydney2008

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Well , i think we could enjoy both games , for me , i will buy both and have fun , but i like to give a test first so i will try the demo for both games , and i guess i will love them , but if you want to know what i would be buying first of course it`s PES 2012 , Because the Gameplay this year for PES 2012 is epic and deserves my money . Thank you .
 

johno_mk

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i played Fifa 12 yesterday, and even tho i have always been a PES fan, i am surprised at how much better the new Fifa game is compared to the previous instalment. i am looking forward to seeing what improvements the new PES will offer....
 

roblucci

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I just wait for the demo before deciding buying PES or FIFA.FIFA has animation smoothness while PES always champion in gameplay department.well we'll see which better this year.
 

Crowsy

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I'd love to stop buying FIFA and just buy PES.

Have Konami cured the 'heavy ball'? I mean when dribbling the ball feels like it is attached to your foot with elastic and seems heavy. The ball in FIFA 'feels' light.

Will PES 2012 have the full English league structure in this time. I only play offline and what I have always loved about FIFA is that you can take a small club in league two to the dizzy heights of the champions League or Champions cup as it is in FIFA.

Licences mean nothing to me if you can get round it. PES with it's option files is brilliant and the quality is there.

If PES had those two things in above I would be sold.
 

sydney2008

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i played Fifa 12 yesterday, and even tho i have always been a PES fan, i am surprised at how much better the new Fifa game is compared to the previous instalment. i am looking forward to seeing what improvements the new PES will offer....

How did you play FIFA 12 yesterday ? The demo is not out yet , so how ? Thank you .
 

mr.yes

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If FIFA make miracle and impossible , i will like PES more . Because i am a PES fan 4 ever
 

Crowsy

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If FIFA make miracle and impossible , i will like PES more . Because i am a PES fan 4 ever

If I understand you right then you say that if FIFA were to make the better game then you would still buy PES?

Sorry mate that is daft. EA or Konami don't give a damn who you are and you certainly don't owe them anything.

Video games are supposed to be about entertainment and if one or the other brings you more entertainment through being the better game then you should buy that one.

I have never understood this so called 'game loyalty' for bad or inferior games as the only people who get anything out of it is the games makers certainly not the consumer .

But your logic is if you make a weaker game than your competitor then just by you buying it they should still be rewarded? No wonder firms like EA can produce so much 'shovelware'.
 

mr.yes

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If I understand you right then you say that if FIFA were to make the better game then you would still buy PES?

Sorry mate that is daft. EA or Konami don't give a damn who you are and you certainly don't owe them anything.

Video games are supposed to be about entertainment and if one or the other brings you more entertainment through being the better game then you should buy that one.

I have never understood this so called 'game loyalty' for bad or inferior games as the only people who get anything out of it is the games makers certainly not the consumer .

But your logic is if you make a weaker game than your competitor then just by you buying it they should still be rewarded? No wonder firms like EA can produce so much 'shovelware'.
i have a base in my mind . I played PES 'winning eleven' since i bought PS1 . and i played FIFA , too . But i am not satisfied when playing FIFA , that's all;)
Also in PES i created my own game like creating teams and editing hairs , kits and faces . On the other hand , FIFA is hard to edit stuffs
 

Crowsy

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i have a base in my mind . I played PES 'winning eleven' since i bought PS1 . and i played FIFA , too . But i am not satisfied when playing FIFA , that's all;)
Also in PES i created my own game like creating teams and editing hairs , kits and faces . On the other hand , FIFA is hard to edit stuffs

That is fair enough but you did not say that in your original post. I buy games because I hope they will entertain if they don't I part exchange them or hopefully avoid buying them in the first place.
 

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