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PES 2012 review (how is see game from neutral aspect and real life foobal)

zeus0407

Registered User
Pro Evolution Soccer 2012 Review


After around 100 games i wanted do a review of new PES 2012. This is mostly gameplay review, i wont comment graphic or sound and commentary effects, i dont find them very important as gameplay and control over team, i would rather play game with average graphic but with good gameplay and good simulation!!!!
I know no one from Konamy will care about this or see this, but all you who play PES are my "brothers in game" and are going trough all things like me.

This review is based on 2 teams (in this case Chelsea and Barcelona) and around 30 games with same formations, same tactics, and from of players on neutral (green), to find out how accurate gameplay is and to find bugs playing with one or other team against PC on professional difficulty. I also have new 1.02 patch. Also all conclusions and grades are on logical and neutral judgement, no team favoring (even i like Chelsea).

Gameplay in general:

Basicly the same as PES 2011, just few tweaks, but mostly everything is made on same platform that they use for 2011. So as we remember how 2011 was full of bugs and bad gameplay solutions this is not some progress.

Passing and and player control: 2/5

When 2011 versions was out Konami said its revolution cause of free passing control 360 degree freedom, and it was nos correct, same thing in 2012. If you make 10 passes in the same way 5 of them will be different (you are passing from one player to another, straight ball, just simple pass, you press straight direction, and ball mostly go straight, but then again in some cases gos diagonal, or to closer player even if you wanted other player and had enough power on ball to make pass to crucial player). Power control is strange and effected by AI cheating. Sometimes you just pres pass or shoot button for a second, and pass or shot is like you have hold button for few seconds, and vice versa, sometimes you hold it long and have full power bar and your player shoots like he was an 80 year old woman.

Player control in this version is said to be also revolutionary cause of ability to control other players in field when you have ball. Also full of bugs and not working correctly. Problem is most of players will have hard time to learn to control 2 sticks in different directions in same time. Also problem is you need to control your teammates in defence also if you wish to have good defence, but more of that soon.



Defence: 1/5
Horrible. Defence is static, they make bad calls, and not just bad calls like real player would but stupid calls like running away from ball, not jumping, bad tackles in penalty area, sometimes even if they are stronger then other player they get knocked down like flys even if player is small and not as strong as your defender.

Goalkeepers. Extra horrible. Like living statues on goals, making horrible calls and going to empty area to often, even with new patch they still make stupid calls and reactions, each time ball is deflected by your player by accident, goalkeeper makes bad call (going to empty area, or deflecting ball for just few feats to oponent).

If you turn on auto offside defence leaves to much space, and if you pull them all the way to goal they dont make good reactions in time.



AI cheating 1/5

Like in 2011, there is alot of AI cheating, and in that way that its not possible in reality. I said i used 2 teams for this review, to see how they will react in games i play one after other with same stats. If AI is loosing, they will pressure you more, but your player will make more mistakes then usual, especially in defence. When i was playing with Chelsea, i score goal and Barcelona starts to pressure more and my players are slower, cant pass right and shoot and pass power is so much effected by AI cheating.

Defence is static and opponent players run trough your defence like knife trough butter. Same thing when i changed teams and played with Barcelona against Chelsea, all same settings they have had when i was Chelsea but this time effected by AI cheating, and Chelsea plays like other team then i had in games before, they are faster, better dribblers, and stronger. Also PC goalkeeper is like Superman in comparison to one you are controlling.

Players that you control are more effected by struggling, they need longer time to resist and recover from struggle, and when you are defending, sometimes your opponent is not effected by your tackles at all even if there are 2 defenders on him. First i though that Barcelona is so much stronger but then i saw how things came around.

Also trough balls on wings are almost unstoppable when made by PC!!!!



There are many more things i could say and explain but it would be too long and i dont want to stres you out more. Again i would like to say this is logical review based on real life simulations and real life movement on field.

Grades are so low cause i am disappointed they didnt made and more improvements then 2011, just big talk about new way of player control and smarter AI (in this case better AI cheating), and new mods, but if you look more better there are no bigger changes then before just some things tweaked different.

This is my opinion now, and im very disappointed by Konami and the way they develop this game and treat customers who buy game and dont get wanted changes.

Sorry for suvh long review, i did my best to say most important things i think are bad or buged.

I wish you all good gameing and good luck for all of us in near future to get some nice realistic football/soccer simulation. :)
 

DIECI

Registered User
"Gameplay in general:

Basicly the same as PES 2011, just few tweaks, but mostly everything is made on same platform that they use for 2011"

FALSE
 

techboy11

Registered User
Pro Evolution Soccer 2012 Review


After around 100 games i wanted do a review of new PES 2012. This is mostly gameplay review, i wont comment graphic or sound and commentary effects, i dont find them very important as gameplay and control over team, i would rather play game with average graphic but with good gameplay and good simulation!!!!
I know no one from Konamy will care about this or see this, but all you who play PES are my "brothers in game" and are going trough all things like me.

This review is based on 2 teams (in this case Chelsea and Barcelona) and around 30 games with same formations, same tactics, and from of players on neutral (green), to find out how accurate gameplay is and to find bugs playing with one or other team against PC on professional difficulty. I also have new 1.02 patch. Also all conclusions and grades are on logical and neutral judgement, no team favoring (even i like Chelsea).

Gameplay in general:

Basicly the same as PES 2011, just few tweaks, but mostly everything is made on same platform that they use for 2011. So as we remember how 2011 was full of bugs and bad gameplay solutions this is not some progress.

Passing and and player control: 2/5

When 2011 versions was out Konami said its revolution cause of free passing control 360 degree freedom, and it was nos correct, same thing in 2012. If you make 10 passes in the same way 5 of them will be different (you are passing from one player to another, straight ball, just simple pass, you press straight direction, and ball mostly go straight, but then again in some cases gos diagonal, or to closer player even if you wanted other player and had enough power on ball to make pass to crucial player). Power control is strange and effected by AI cheating. Sometimes you just pres pass or shoot button for a second, and pass or shot is like you have hold button for few seconds, and vice versa, sometimes you hold it long and have full power bar and your player shoots like he was an 80 year old woman.

Player control in this version is said to be also revolutionary cause of ability to control other players in field when you have ball. Also full of bugs and not working correctly. Problem is most of players will have hard time to learn to control 2 sticks in different directions in same time. Also problem is you need to control your teammates in defence also if you wish to have good defence, but more of that soon.



Defence: 1/5
Horrible. Defence is static, they make bad calls, and not just bad calls like real player would but stupid calls like running away from ball, not jumping, bad tackles in penalty area, sometimes even if they are stronger then other player they get knocked down like flys even if player is small and not as strong as your defender.

Goalkeepers. Extra horrible. Like living statues on goals, making horrible calls and going to empty area to often, even with new patch they still make stupid calls and reactions, each time ball is deflected by your player by accident, goalkeeper makes bad call (going to empty area, or deflecting ball for just few feats to oponent).

If you turn on auto offside defence leaves to much space, and if you pull them all the way to goal they dont make good reactions in time.



AI cheating 1/5

Like in 2011, there is alot of AI cheating, and in that way that its not possible in reality. I said i used 2 teams for this review, to see how they will react in games i play one after other with same stats. If AI is loosing, they will pressure you more, but your player will make more mistakes then usual, especially in defence. When i was playing with Chelsea, i score goal and Barcelona starts to pressure more and my players are slower, cant pass right and shoot and pass power is so much effected by AI cheating.

Defence is static and opponent players run trough your defence like knife trough butter. Same thing when i changed teams and played with Barcelona against Chelsea, all same settings they have had when i was Chelsea but this time effected by AI cheating, and Chelsea plays like other team then i had in games before, they are faster, better dribblers, and stronger. Also PC goalkeeper is like Superman in comparison to one you are controlling.

Players that you control are more effected by struggling, they need longer time to resist and recover from struggle, and when you are defending, sometimes your opponent is not effected by your tackles at all even if there are 2 defenders on him. First i though that Barcelona is so much stronger but then i saw how things came around.

Also trough balls on wings are almost unstoppable when made by PC!!!!



There are many more things i could say and explain but it would be too long and i dont want to stres you out more. Again i would like to say this is logical review based on real life simulations and real life movement on field.

Grades are so low cause i am disappointed they didnt made and more improvements then 2011, just big talk about new way of player control and smarter AI (in this case better AI cheating), and new mods, but if you look more better there are no bigger changes then before just some things tweaked different.

This is my opinion now, and im very disappointed by Konami and the way they develop this game and treat customers who buy game and dont get wanted changes.

Sorry for suvh long review, i did my best to say most important things i think are bad or buged.

I wish you all good gameing and good luck for all of us in near future to get some nice realistic football/soccer simulation. :)

I will post a video that will disprove all that lol
 

luik^3

Registered User
this is not a review.. This is just crying because you cant get grips on the game.. Also its not neutral because you compare to pes 2011, also you dont give any arguments for the 'realistic' point of view.. (saying that you think it is not realistic is not an argument)
 

zeus0407

Registered User
this is not a review.. This is just crying because you cant get grips on the game.. Also its not neutral because you compare to pes 2011, also you dont give any arguments for the 'realistic' point of view.. (saying that you think it is not realistic is not an argument)

i play footbal in a club, so i know how football work's on field, and i dont see players who were playing normal 60 minutes all of sudden overrun you, or run from ball when defending, or look at oponent geting trough ball and goalkeepsers who wait too long to react, and so on... sure players make mistakes in real life but not like its in this game
 

Swanee

Registered User
This is more of a rant rather than a review! Im actually disappointed as i was looking forward to reading a review or a comparison to real life football or another football game not just pes 11!
 

luik^3

Registered User
i play footbal in a club, so i know how football work's on field, and i dont see players who were playing normal 60 minutes all of sudden overrun you, or run from ball when defending, or look at oponent geting trough ball and goalkeepsers who wait too long to react, and so on... sure players make mistakes in real life but not like its in this game

i play football in a club too, come and have a look, you will see everything you just described! :) :) :)..
 

riverplatelv

Registered User
Dude, just because u cannot defend right doesnt mean the defense is 1 out of 5... ur defenders are making dumb judgements because u tell them to! u obviously just hold x and hope defenders will win tackles... this often leads to penalties! use jockey please, and i do not select any of ur 4 defenders unless u have to! Because once u select say ur DC and pressure up field, his spot will be left open for exploiting
 

abu97

Registered User
Why the heck do you have to jockey just to defend - if you don't jockey you let in a goal which is stupid. Players in real life can just slide tackle if it's a player like Heskey but in the game he can do Ronaldo Chop's
 

Luisao82

Registered User
Jockey is not the only way to defend in PES 2012. Of course if you play SUPERSTAR with the 1.02 patch it's very difficult to disarm a AI controlled player, but it really just requires concentration and timing to decide whether to jockey or to tackle the adversary.

It was very hard for me at the beginning, but now I'm starting to get a grip on defending in PES 2012.
 

hawkeye76

Registered User
Some games can have you pulling your hair out, staring down at the controller wondering why its not doing what you tell it to, swearing at the computer for cheating/taking control of your player/not giving you the right player/bad AI etc, but there will be others that are a joy to play. Play will unfold organically, players on both sides act realistically and intelligently, the controls work as they should, being responsive with the passing pretty much going where you tell it to etc

You are only focussing on the particularly annoying games for your review, not all 100.

There are 2 ways of thinking. Logically and emotionally. Bias falls within the realm of emotional thinking. You aren't reviewing this game solely from a logical point of view.
 

markcross

Banned
this is not a review.. This is just crying because you cant get grips on the game.. Also its not neutral because you compare to pes 2011, also you dont give any arguments for the 'realistic' point of view.. (saying that you think it is not realistic is not an argument)

Well said m8, the op has posted a typical whinging speech moaning about the game bein shit and bugged but the truth is they dont like it cos they really cant master it and keep getting owned either online or by the AI
 

MozzyEng

Registered User
FFS, just learn how to play the damn game and stop bitching.
Gosh, so many cry babies in here it's disgusting.


Lol I agree. At the end of the day its a game. Some people react like someone has raped there grandmas

If you don't like it go play something else, Then you can spend hours over analyzing that to
 

riverplatelv

Registered User
Why the heck do you have to jockey just to defend - if you don't jockey you let in a goal which is stupid. Players in real life can just slide tackle if it's a player like Heskey but in the game he can do Ronaldo Chop's

Because jockey actually makes tackling much easier! learn the game please, try it urself. It tackles automatically once someone is close therefore if u do it inside the box, its a perfect tackle, no penalties. And what kind of defender just slides randomly all the time... watch a game, defenders back off and back off until their positioning is right! that is jockey!!!!!
 

ArvD*

Registered User
Although not a review...
Its another user picking up on the fact PES12 is a broken mess!

And the people saying
"learn to defend"
"Learn to play the game"

I would say to them
"learn how to look at a game objectively"

PES12 is a very broken game in its current state!
No matter what Version you are running! 1.0,1.1,1.2
One patch fixes something, then ruins something else completely!
I say broken in its current state!
AS these issue CAN BE FIXED to make PES12 the game it SHOULD be!

For example!
PC - Jerky Patch...
Seems to turn PES12 into a game that resembles a PES title!
Why is it a 1 man can make the game better, with his OWN ONE patch download...
And the people at KOMANI can't!?
The PEOPLE that actually DESIGNED and built the game!
Kinda of makes you wonder WTF KONAMI are doing!

As for PS3...its started off promising with 1.0...
Even the Demo2 got me excited!
Hence the reason for me making an SPL option File Download!
MANY hours spent on it cause i thought PES12 had finally turned the tide!

Few hours later...a couple of "patches"
I am left feeling very disappointed!
 

Kefir

Registered User
Pro Evolution Soccer 2012 Review


After around 100 games i wanted do a review of new PES 2012. This is mostly gameplay review, i wont comment graphic or sound and commentary effects, i dont find them very important as gameplay and control over team, i would rather play game with average graphic but with good gameplay and good simulation!!!!
I know no one from Konamy will care about this or see this, but all you who play PES are my "brothers in game" and are going trough all things like me.

This review is based on 2 teams (in this case Chelsea and Barcelona) and around 30 games with same formations, same tactics, and from of players on neutral (green), to find out how accurate gameplay is and to find bugs playing with one or other team against PC on professional difficulty. I also have new 1.02 patch. Also all conclusions and grades are on logical and neutral judgement, no team favoring (even i like Chelsea).

Gameplay in general:

Basicly the same as PES 2011, just few tweaks, but mostly everything is made on same platform that they use for 2011. So as we remember how 2011 was full of bugs and bad gameplay solutions this is not some progress.

Passing and and player control: 2/5

When 2011 versions was out Konami said its revolution cause of free passing control 360 degree freedom, and it was nos correct, same thing in 2012. If you make 10 passes in the same way 5 of them will be different (you are passing from one player to another, straight ball, just simple pass, you press straight direction, and ball mostly go straight, but then again in some cases gos diagonal, or to closer player even if you wanted other player and had enough power on ball to make pass to crucial player). Power control is strange and effected by AI cheating. Sometimes you just pres pass or shoot button for a second, and pass or shot is like you have hold button for few seconds, and vice versa, sometimes you hold it long and have full power bar and your player shoots like he was an 80 year old woman.

Player control in this version is said to be also revolutionary cause of ability to control other players in field when you have ball. Also full of bugs and not working correctly. Problem is most of players will have hard time to learn to control 2 sticks in different directions in same time. Also problem is you need to control your teammates in defence also if you wish to have good defence, but more of that soon.



Defence: 1/5
Horrible. Defence is static, they make bad calls, and not just bad calls like real player would but stupid calls like running away from ball, not jumping, bad tackles in penalty area, sometimes even if they are stronger then other player they get knocked down like flys even if player is small and not as strong as your defender.

Goalkeepers. Extra horrible. Like living statues on goals, making horrible calls and going to empty area to often, even with new patch they still make stupid calls and reactions, each time ball is deflected by your player by accident, goalkeeper makes bad call (going to empty area, or deflecting ball for just few feats to oponent).

If you turn on auto offside defence leaves to much space, and if you pull them all the way to goal they dont make good reactions in time.



AI cheating 1/5

Like in 2011, there is alot of AI cheating, and in that way that its not possible in reality. I said i used 2 teams for this review, to see how they will react in games i play one after other with same stats. If AI is loosing, they will pressure you more, but your player will make more mistakes then usual, especially in defence. When i was playing with Chelsea, i score goal and Barcelona starts to pressure more and my players are slower, cant pass right and shoot and pass power is so much effected by AI cheating.

Defence is static and opponent players run trough your defence like knife trough butter. Same thing when i changed teams and played with Barcelona against Chelsea, all same settings they have had when i was Chelsea but this time effected by AI cheating, and Chelsea plays like other team then i had in games before, they are faster, better dribblers, and stronger. Also PC goalkeeper is like Superman in comparison to one you are controlling.

Players that you control are more effected by struggling, they need longer time to resist and recover from struggle, and when you are defending, sometimes your opponent is not effected by your tackles at all even if there are 2 defenders on him. First i though that Barcelona is so much stronger but then i saw how things came around.

Also trough balls on wings are almost unstoppable when made by PC!!!!



There are many more things i could say and explain but it would be too long and i dont want to stres you out more. Again i would like to say this is logical review based on real life simulations and real life movement on field.

Grades are so low cause i am disappointed they didnt made and more improvements then 2011, just big talk about new way of player control and smarter AI (in this case better AI cheating), and new mods, but if you look more better there are no bigger changes then before just some things tweaked different.

This is my opinion now, and im very disappointed by Konami and the way they develop this game and treat customers who buy game and dont get wanted changes.

Sorry for suvh long review, i did my best to say most important things i think are bad or buged.

I wish you all good gameing and good luck for all of us in near future to get some nice realistic football/soccer simulation. :)

Yes just so neutral....but compared to what??:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 

abu97

Registered User
Because jockey actually makes tackling much easier! learn the game please, try it urself. It tackles automatically once someone is close therefore if u do it inside the box, its a perfect tackle, no penalties. And what kind of defender just slides randomly all the time... watch a game, defenders back off and back off until their positioning is right! that is jockey!!!!!
Read before you post please.
I keep a lot of clean sheets and I use jockey all the time and I am saying it is stupid to jockey in real life all the time even in the oppositions half of the pitch.
You are one of those fanboys that say, 'You only slag the game off because you suck at it'
Originally by Markcross (to prevent copyright)
 

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