Ronaldo (Brazilian)
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wheresmark
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Noooooo thats not what he's been sayin! don't give him a ticket out of this! lol. Read all the thread and posts before you stick up for someone...
He has stated that CR is a better player than the Luiz Ronaldo in his prime when he was 19-23. He has said that even then, Ronaldo had no stamina, he was fat, he wasn't a team player (For a centre forward he got a remarkable amount of assists, ask Vieri
) He has stated stupid things like CR been better than Pele and countless more stupid arguments. - Apparently because ronaldo has bad speed in PES it shows he has always been slow?
R9NALD9
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Even if that was what he was saying...how can you say Ronaldo doesn't have stamina because he wasn't in his prime for more than 3 years....he was robbed of a longer prime span because he had a serious knee injury that took him out for more than a season.
After he healed he came onto the pitch only to suffer the exact same injury to the other knee after 15min or so. It robbed him of his 23-26 age span, which is normally the best years in a sportsman. It wasn't his choice, he was unlucky as shit. It robbed him of probably being the greatest of all time and in the end it again ended his career basically.
Even though his prime was much shorter than cr7's is at the moment, he achieved 5 times more than cr7 did.
Uncomparable,if these videos posted, especially the one "physics of ronaldo", doesn't convince you, then you must be seriously biased or stupid.
After he healed he came onto the pitch only to suffer the exact same injury to the other knee after 15min or so. It robbed him of his 23-26 age span, which is normally the best years in a sportsman. It wasn't his choice, he was unlucky as shit. It robbed him of probably being the greatest of all time and in the end it again ended his career basically.
Even though his prime was much shorter than cr7's is at the moment, he achieved 5 times more than cr7 did.
Uncomparable,if these videos posted, especially the one "physics of ronaldo", doesn't convince you, then you must be seriously biased or stupid.
Quality!!
Surely you can only completely judge a player's career once that career is over? That is why these arguments about past vs modern day players are ridiculous. Not to mention the huge part nostalgia plays when we think back to players of the past which clouds our judgement slightly in these pointless arguments.
Who knows what CR7 might go on to achieve? He has YEARS of football left in him! He's also only fairly recently been converted into a striker at Real Madrid having been a winger for most of his career before that so comparing him to a phenomenal striker like Ronaldo at this stage is pretty unfair. On another point, those who are saying CR7 wont be remembered in 30 years time: you are talking utter shit. He is one of the most famous footballers on the planet and has been immortalised in various ways already. Of course he will be remembered as an all time great, even if his career ends tomorrow!
Obviously Ronaldo is a true legend of the game and CR7 has some way to go yet to emulate his achievements but he has a good few years left to fulfill his ambitions so completely writing him off at this stage is stupid.
Put simply, Abu AND most of the rest of you are talking out of your collective arses. Abu, Ronaldo was a sensational striker, one of the best ever END OF. The rest of you, CR7 is in the top two players ON THE PLANET in the modern day game AND has years left to get even better as a striker. His record could, however unlikely, eclipse Ronaldo's one day.
These are the facts. Deal with them.
PS I am aware that using "CR7" is incredibly wanky but it's easier to type and less confusing when discussing two Ronaldos!
Who knows what CR7 might go on to achieve? He has YEARS of football left in him! He's also only fairly recently been converted into a striker at Real Madrid having been a winger for most of his career before that so comparing him to a phenomenal striker like Ronaldo at this stage is pretty unfair. On another point, those who are saying CR7 wont be remembered in 30 years time: you are talking utter shit. He is one of the most famous footballers on the planet and has been immortalised in various ways already. Of course he will be remembered as an all time great, even if his career ends tomorrow!
Obviously Ronaldo is a true legend of the game and CR7 has some way to go yet to emulate his achievements but he has a good few years left to fulfill his ambitions so completely writing him off at this stage is stupid.
Put simply, Abu AND most of the rest of you are talking out of your collective arses. Abu, Ronaldo was a sensational striker, one of the best ever END OF. The rest of you, CR7 is in the top two players ON THE PLANET in the modern day game AND has years left to get even better as a striker. His record could, however unlikely, eclipse Ronaldo's one day.
These are the facts. Deal with them.
PS I am aware that using "CR7" is incredibly wanky but it's easier to type and less confusing when discussing two Ronaldos!
wheresmark
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I've never stated that CR7 isnt one of the best. He's one of my favourite players and is strong in just about every department needed for a footballer. Behind Messi, he is untouchable. But to say he is better than Ronaldo and that Ronaldo is fat and never had stamina etc, even in his prime; is stupid. End of.
Stormrider
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CR7 is indeed a beast of a player. One of the most complete in the history of the sport but Ronaldo was called El Fenomeno for a reason. CR7's goals record is incredible but don't forget he scores a whole lot of tap ins and penalties. A big chunk of his goals also come from his wicked free kicks but against the top tier teams, the opportunities for tap ins, penalties, and free kicks don't come about nearly as often. Not saying he always needs to rely on these opportunities because he still has a remarkable shot from distance and some really good pace for those solo runs from time to time. He's also getting much better at setting up others when things aren't working for himself, but as of now you'll never get the sense that he'll completely dominate a good team.
Ronaldo was just simply amazing before his injuries. Incredible pace and strength coupled with remarkable control of the ball allowed those of us fortunate to watch him witness breathtaking solo runs after solo runs. It was as if you'd witness magic from him practically every time he played. He was simply unplayable, even against really good defenses. The defenses CR7 is up against these days just simply doesn't compare to what Ronaldo had to go through, especially with some refs allowing defenders to chop his legs to pieces from time to time. He was also a big game player which CR7 is not. If Ronaldo never got those serious injuries and he stayed in La Liga there's a really good chance he would've shattered that 40 goal mark at least once. I mean he did get pretty close. Can you imagine how many goals he'd get if his free kick was as lethal as CR7's or if he took as many penalties? Scary I know.
Ronaldo was just simply amazing before his injuries. Incredible pace and strength coupled with remarkable control of the ball allowed those of us fortunate to watch him witness breathtaking solo runs after solo runs. It was as if you'd witness magic from him practically every time he played. He was simply unplayable, even against really good defenses. The defenses CR7 is up against these days just simply doesn't compare to what Ronaldo had to go through, especially with some refs allowing defenders to chop his legs to pieces from time to time. He was also a big game player which CR7 is not. If Ronaldo never got those serious injuries and he stayed in La Liga there's a really good chance he would've shattered that 40 goal mark at least once. I mean he did get pretty close. Can you imagine how many goals he'd get if his free kick was as lethal as CR7's or if he took as many penalties? Scary I know.
luik^3
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hi guys! Thanks for the joyful morning reading your discussion! How nice that people who dont know each other at all keep trying to convince each other who is the best player .. However you are all wrong! Kluivert is the best striker ever! And I am sure no one can argue with that!
.. However you are all wrong! Kluivert is the best striker ever! And I am sure no one can argue with that! hi guys! Thanks for the joyful morning reading your discussion! How nice that people who dont know each other at all keep trying to convince each other who is the best player
:laugh: :no:
He's not even in the top 10 mate.
Superbeard
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Ronaldo (not the fake one) is the best player since Maradona - better than both Messi and Cronaldo in my opinion. I have never seen defenders struggle as much with a player as they did with Ronaldo in his prime (95-99). He won matches alone.
Messi relies too much on his stellar team mates to be compared with Ronaldo (or the greatest, Maradona). He also hasn't dominated international tournaments in the same fashion.
Cronaldo is technically not as great as either, but is probably more of a natural athlete. I can't really think of many players who have been more driven to become the best either, so mentally he is very strong too.
Put simply, give me the option of having any of these players at age 17 in my team, and I'd pick Ronaldo (not the fake one!) every single time. He could play in any team and be incredible. A phenomenon for sure, and I think he would have been regarded as the best player ever had it not been for the 3 or 4 serious (and they were very serious) injuries he had in his peak.
Messi relies too much on his stellar team mates to be compared with Ronaldo (or the greatest, Maradona). He also hasn't dominated international tournaments in the same fashion.
Cronaldo is technically not as great as either, but is probably more of a natural athlete. I can't really think of many players who have been more driven to become the best either, so mentally he is very strong too.
Put simply, give me the option of having any of these players at age 17 in my team, and I'd pick Ronaldo (not the fake one!) every single time. He could play in any team and be incredible. A phenomenon for sure, and I think he would have been regarded as the best player ever had it not been for the 3 or 4 serious (and they were very serious) injuries he had in his peak.
Superbeard
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MVB was an incredible player. Alas he was also struck down in his prime - a prime that was later than Ronaldo IMO, as MVB relied on intelligence and technique more than power and pace.
He played the last 3 seasons of his career with a right ankle that was locked into place - as in he couldn't rotate his right ankle on the horizontal plain. It is a massive shame he quit when he did. An all time great.
Also, his shooting was incredible - bicycle kicks, one of the best at volleys, he was extraordinary. He had pace which he didn't use much because he had great technique which he could use alone. I used to watch past euro matches because i was born when he played unfortunately but he is a great player and one of the bst till this day
Superbeard
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Messi has "dominated" everyone in the world, playing for arguably the best club side to ever play the game. In my opinion Barcelona FC are a massive reason that Messi is seen as so good. He's a great great player, don't get me wrong, but I don't think he'd be as effective at, say, Chelsea.
Zidane played well from the 2nd round match against Spain in that world cup. He was a superb player - but history is very kind to him. Didn't score loads, didn't assist loads, and often had indifferent games against teams that he should have murdered. Euro 2000 was his peak, and he never quite reached those heights again IMO.
Superbeard
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That's arguable. France had an incredible defence, and Ribery, Malouda (don't laugh!) and Henry were just as influential in getting them there (won 2 pens, scored against Brazil). Don't forget Henry had just come out of his best ever season for Arsenal - he should have been Ballon D'or winner that year.
People crack that French side to be all about Zidane, it really wasn't. Vieira, Makelele, Henry, Thuram, Ribery, Gallas, Sagnol, Abidal. All top class players. Zidane made it tick, but he was supported by some great players, a lot of them in their peak too.
Superbeard:
Did Ronaldo never have a great team behind him then? Of course he did!
No player, I repeat NO PLAYER wins games on their own.
Ronaldo was one of the best players ever but to say Messi isn't as good because he plays for Barcelona is nonsense in my opinion. Ronaldo played for some top class teams where he most definitely wasn't the only star turn.
Every player needs a team behind them. Messi may be lucky to be playing in one of the best teams ever assembled but that takes nothing away from his individual brilliance.
Did Ronaldo never have a great team behind him then? Of course he did!
No player, I repeat NO PLAYER wins games on their own.
Ronaldo was one of the best players ever but to say Messi isn't as good because he plays for Barcelona is nonsense in my opinion. Ronaldo played for some top class teams where he most definitely wasn't the only star turn.
Every player needs a team behind them. Messi may be lucky to be playing in one of the best teams ever assembled but that takes nothing away from his individual brilliance.
Superbeard
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Ronaldo had some great players behind him, but not the calibre of the current Barcelona side - I don't see how you can argue otherwise.
Messi is a great player, I think I said that, but his brilliance is overshadowed by the fact that I'm not sure he'd be as effective in a poorer side. Results and performances with Argentina (and there are plenty of examples of this!) would validate that argument.
Contrast that with Ronaldo, who won the World Cup with a pretty average Brazil team when compared to previous WC winners (check the starting team in the final in 2002) and Maradona.
The nearest that anyone has ever got to being a one man team was Argentina 86-90. Maradona would regularly bail them out of games that they NEVER deserved to win.
Messi has YEARS left to play, Ronaldo's career is over.
Who knows what Messi will go on to achieve throughout his career?
I dont think his brilliance is overshadowed by his team mates at all and if you seriously think Messi wouldn't rip up the English Premier League you have underestimated the man's talent enormously. Look at what Silva is doing to every team he faces in the EPL right now and he's half the player Messi is. Misty eyed nostalgia can make us forget that players like Ronaldo had their faults and bad periods of form just like every other player.
Any player can have a poor World Cup, it's only a handful of games played alongside team mates you rarely ever see never mind train with. I think judging players on World Cups alone is extremely harsh, some very average players have had outstanding World Cups yet gone on to do nothing in club football.
Just to be clear, I agree that Ronaldo is a legend and one of the top strikers ever to grace the game. I just think these constant comparisons of legends to players today are unfair and pointless.
Only when Messi's career is over will we truly be able to compare his career to Ronaldo's and if Messi stays injury free he has every chance of overtaking all of Ronaldo's achievements in the game.
Who knows what Messi will go on to achieve throughout his career?
I dont think his brilliance is overshadowed by his team mates at all and if you seriously think Messi wouldn't rip up the English Premier League you have underestimated the man's talent enormously. Look at what Silva is doing to every team he faces in the EPL right now and he's half the player Messi is. Misty eyed nostalgia can make us forget that players like Ronaldo had their faults and bad periods of form just like every other player.
Any player can have a poor World Cup, it's only a handful of games played alongside team mates you rarely ever see never mind train with. I think judging players on World Cups alone is extremely harsh, some very average players have had outstanding World Cups yet gone on to do nothing in club football.
Just to be clear, I agree that Ronaldo is a legend and one of the top strikers ever to grace the game. I just think these constant comparisons of legends to players today are unfair and pointless.
Only when Messi's career is over will we truly be able to compare his career to Ronaldo's and if Messi stays injury free he has every chance of overtaking all of Ronaldo's achievements in the game.