whats the best pes

[S-D-P]

Totally agree. You can slag KONAMI off for animations, their outdated retro bullshit, and general weird quirkiness, but on the pitch the attacking and defending AI is quite superb.

This year I think the defending is a revelation, it's that good. I get more enjoyment out of keeping a clean sheet than scoring goals, and when you consider that the amount of goals you see is so varied in terms of the final execution and build up, that is the highest praise I can give it.

Couldn't agree more, still perfecting my standing tackle which I had nailed in pes 2011 but having to relearn at the moment, has to be timed perfectly. Positioning is more crucial than ever, using super cancel to block passing lanes is something else I'm trying to perfect.

 

[bunnywhi7e]

The best footie game of all times Konami ever released was Winning Eleven 9: Liveware Evolution on PS2 and PC. To this day it continues to be the most realistic football simulation to date. Its almost impossible to find thia game on PS2, but PC version is still alive and kicking, being played around the globe with patches and also online play. Nothing in terms of realism can come even close to this game.

 

[oggmeista]

Pes 2012 defo. Pes 2011 was the most unplayable game ever with over ab exclusive 1million bugs.
Don't even know why KONAMI released that crap

you say what???

I defy anyone who says to me shooting was harder on 11 than it is on 12 (range shooting) My results proove it as well 11 was easier for shooting and more natural

Also as well now attackers and dribble at too high a speed compared to defenders and the dribbling trickery and dumb ass defenders mean they can do a Maradona (2nd gl) all the time against hapless defenders which im sorry but it just is not like that in reality

 

[ftgpete]

Anyone that says Pes 2012 isn't the best on next-gen needs to actually watch football

Well I watch plenty of football and I could not disagree with your statement more, mainly because

1. Goalkeeper don't dive over back passes and let a ball rolling at 5m/ph in
2. Defenders don't duck when a guy crosses a ball leaves the striker free.
3. Defenders don't run for no reason away run away with the guy who has the ball and allow him to run through the middle of the park.
4. 90% of free kicks shouldn't always result in goals (imagine ever match in the prem would be, it would be 12-12 everym match)
5. Teams don't camp their defence with 9 men, then hoof the ball which magically always goes to their 5'5 striker who beats a 6'3 defender in the air. The ball goes to the winger and if he has the speed merchant card, no matter how poor he is, he will skin 5 players and barely kick the ball but the goalie will just stand there and watch it go in.
6. Players don't run like chickens and skate on ice as they play on grass.
7. Players don't lock on to running and then stop or glitch for no reason
8. Theo Walcott never gets caught up by Titus Bramble.
9. Heskey and other big lump players don't have unlimited stamina and won't hunt all your player down for the whole match a htey would be screwed.
10. Players can actually kick the ball hard, long strikes are not baloons and if they are then there would be no long goals scored in real life, but in this game they can go in as the goalies are :no:


But it's your oinion and I hold no ill will against you thinking that but I could not disagree more with people more aying this is a real life football sim, that goes for Fifa as well.



Anyway, here is my list of the best PES games on next gen console

1. PES 2011
2. PES 2009
3. PES 2010
4. PES 2008
5. PES 2012


My favourites all up are however.

1. PES 3
2. PES 6
3. PES 5
4. PEs 2011
4. Pes 4

 

[techboy11]

Well I watch plenty of football and I could not disagree with your statement more, mainly because

1. Goalkeeper don't dive over back passes and let a ball rolling at 5m/ph in
2. Defenders don't duck when a guy crosses a ball leaves the striker free.
3. Defenders don't run for no reason away run away with the guy who has the ball and allow him to run through the middle of the park.
4. 90% of free kicks shouldn't always result in goals (imagine ever match in the prem would be, it would be 12-12 everym match)
5. Teams don't camp their defence with 9 men, then hoof the ball which magically always goes to their 5'5 striker who beats a 6'3 defender in the air. The ball goes to the winger and if he has the speed merchant card, no matter how poor he is, he will skin 5 players and barely kick the ball but the goalie will just stand there and watch it go in.
6. Players don't run like chickens and skate on ice as they play on grass.
7. Players don't lock on to running and then stop or glitch for no reason
8. Theo Walcott never gets caught up by Titus Bramble.
9. Heskey and other big lump players don't have unlimited stamina and won't hunt all your player down for the whole match a htey would be screwed.
10. Players can actually kick the ball hard, long strikes are not baloons and if they are then there would be no long goals scored in real life, but in this game they can go in as the goalies are :no:


But it's your oinion and I hold no ill will against you thinking that but I could not disagree more with people more aying this is a real life football sim, that goes for Fifa as well.



Anyway, here is my list of the best PES games on next gen console

1. PES 2011
2. PES 2009
3. PES 2010
4. PES 2008
5. PES 2012


My favourites all up are however.

1. PES 3
2. PES 6
3. PES 5
4. PEs 2011
4. Pes 4

Oh man, if I had the inclination, I would address each point with video clip footage on my phone to counter you.

1) Don't know what the inference was to back passes, but I have clips of stunning saves (contextual), multiple saves, etc
2) My defenders always jump, it's just that sometimes a guy (like Kevin Davies) will score a header against him, that's life though isn't it
3) I have long 20 minute games were non of this happens, three of them
4) Err, manual control of the keeper?
5) Perhaps your formation and playing style needs to be changed to draw some of their players out, again I have video footage of how to manipulate CPU defences with combinations of one-twos, long balls etc etc
6) Um, kind of with you there, that's an animations thing though, I agree that PES animations aren't great, but I'd rather have good gameplay and shit animations, than the other way around
7) Again I agree with you in part, sometimes, but you can normally super cancel out of that early and then manually get control. But I do agree in part
8) Never see this, the last time I played Chelsea on Superstar they beat me 5-1 and Drogba, Torres and Mata were rampant, nobody caught those that day!
9) I play in Superstar mode, I see and feel stamina drain myself I think I also detect a slowing of the CPU players late on, so jury out on that one
10) I have a compilation of around 20 goals, long rangers high into the corner, long rangers low, short range both, etc etc, so not believing that

 

[ftgpete]

Oh man, if I had the inclination, I would address each point with video clip footage on my phone to counter you.

1) Don't know what the inference was to back passes, but I have clips of stunning saves (contextual), multiple saves, etc
2) My defenders always jump, it's just that sometimes a guy (like Kevin Davies) will score a header against him, that's life though isn't it
3) I have long 20 minute games were non of this happens, three of them
4) Err, manual control of the keeper?
5) Perhaps your formation and playing style needs to be changed to draw some of their players out, again I have video footage of how to manipulate CPU defences with combinations of one-twos, long balls etc etc
6) Um, kind of with you there, that's an animations thing though, I agree that PES animations aren't great, but I'd rather have good gameplay and shit animations, than the other way around
7) Again I agree with you in part, sometimes, but you can normally super cancel out of that early and then manually get control. But I do agree in part
8) Never see this, the last time I played Chelsea on Superstar they beat me 5-1 and Drogba, Torres and Mata were rampant, nobody caught those that day!
9) I play in Superstar mode, I see and feel stamina drain myself I think I also detect a slowing of the CPU players late on, so jury out on that one
10) I have a compilation of around 20 goals, long rangers high into the corner, long rangers low, short range both, etc etc, so not believing that

So what if you hav videos proving your point? So do I, if you want I'll post them as well.

1. My keepers have dived over back passes believe it or not and make too many horrendous mistakes. I know goal keepers make great saves, I've seen it in the game, but they make too many terrible mistakes which should not happen. Even Aam on the WENB forums has si that goal keepers need to be imrpoved for PES 2013

2. I think you've completely have not understood my point. A guy will cross it in, I'll be in a good position with my CB, the cursor for reason will switch to to a player who is not in a good defensive position. The play who I was with will duck for no reason and the cross will go to an unmarked man in the box for an easy header/tap in. The cursor changing ruins defending, it's just terrible programming and needs to be fixed.

3. Yes they do, again I'll be in a good position with my CB and it will switch to my LB or RB, my two CB's will then divide the middle so 10 tanks can drive in let alone someone like Pato and by the time I switch it's already too late.

4. Err, I know but the point it should not happen even with manual goal keeping. The fact someone on the board has to tell me this is ridiculous don't you think? You have to position him cause the AI goalkeeper is too retarded. Speaks volumes does it?

5. I can beat most teams on superstar, I just think every AI attacks like this and in my mind it is boring and repitious , people have helped me with formations and strategies on Evo Web but I still think the AI attacks the way I explained. They hoof the ball, you have to super cancel and your defence is unresponsive and they pratically always land to the AI player. The AI was fantastic and the build up in the demos but now all they do is hoof the ball and counter attack in mass numbers.

6. I agree and I always think gameplay is most important, but animation does need improvement as it's been untouched for years.

7. Again you shouldn't need to super cancel, it shouldn't be there in the first place.

8. Fair enough but I still think the catch up bug is in the game even though they said they got rid of it. Mean I mean speed I don't mean abusing the speed merchant and dribbling and I mean kicking the ball ahead and beating the player for pace. I know people don't want people like in Fifa who abuse players pace but is that not realistic? Theo Walcott wouldn't een be in the prem without his pace and this is coming from an Arsenal fan.

9. Again fair enough but I don't think the AI tire at all, they seem just to run and run and not lose any steam. Really do believe they need to implement a proper stamina system for both AI and player controlled players so substituions become vital.

10. I didn't say you couldn't score range range shots but for me the ball does not feel heavy so I don't get the sense I'm smacking into the net. I've scor goals from outside the box but they didn't feel like scramers to me and were very unsatisfying.


There are just too many bugs in this game for me to like, PES 2011 had many as well but I enjoyed that game immensley and over looked them. Again, I think Konami have taken one step foward with 2011 and now two step backs with this one.

2011 MLO = Great fun 2012 = Unplayable filled with abusing speed merchants
2011 ML = Great fun 2012 = A whinge feast, play a player all the time and drop him one match because he is tired and he'll come into your office and complain about not being played:no:

Th passing, shooting, goalkeepers, the scripting etc. Everything feels worse than it did in 2011. THey improved the unresponsive dribbling in 2011 but too much. Every player know has the touch of Zidane and Bergkamp, Konami never have a middleground, something either has to under done or over done.

 

[Makavelian]

The soullessness of scoring goals in pes 2012 like older fifa games.
You know when you've got a bad game when your on winning streaks online and your getting bored.

 

[kas786]

So what if you hav videos proving your point? So do I, if you want I'll post them as well.

1. My keepers have dived over back passes believe it or not and make too many horrendous mistakes. I know goal keepers make great saves, I've seen it in the game, but they make too many terrible mistakes which should not happen. Even Aam on the WENB forums has si that goal keepers need to be imrpoved for PES 2013

2. I think you've completely have not understood my point. A guy will cross it in, I'll be in a good position with my CB, the cursor for reason will switch to to a player who is not in a good defensive position. The play who I was with will duck for no reason and the cross will go to an unmarked man in the box for an easy header/tap in. The cursor changing ruins defending, it's just terrible programming and needs to be fixed.

3. Yes they do, again I'll be in a good position with my CB and it will switch to my LB or RB, my two CB's will then divide the middle so 10 tanks can drive in let alone someone like Pato and by the time I switch it's already too late.

4. Err, I know but the point it should not happen even with manual goal keeping. The fact someone on the board has to tell me this is ridiculous don't you think? You have to position him cause the AI goalkeeper is too retarded. Speaks volumes does it?

5. I can beat most teams on superstar, I just think every AI attacks like this and in my mind it is boring and repitious , people have helped me with formations and strategies on Evo Web but I still think the AI attacks the way I explained. They hoof the ball, you have to super cancel and your defence is unresponsive and they pratically always land to the AI player. The AI was fantastic and the build up in the demos but now all they do is hoof the ball and counter attack in mass numbers.

6. I agree and I always think gameplay is most important, but animation does need improvement as it's been untouched for years.

7. Again you shouldn't need to super cancel, it shouldn't be there in the first place.

8. Fair enough but I still think the catch up bug is in the game even though they said they got rid of it. Mean I mean speed I don't mean abusing the speed merchant and dribbling and I mean kicking the ball ahead and beating the player for pace. I know people don't want people like in Fifa who abuse players pace but is that not realistic? Theo Walcott wouldn't een be in the prem without his pace and this is coming from an Arsenal fan.

9. Again fair enough but I don't think the AI tire at all, they seem just to run and run and not lose any steam. Really do believe they need to implement a proper stamina system for both AI and player controlled players so substituions become vital.

10. I didn't say you couldn't score range range shots but for me the ball does not feel heavy so I don't get the sense I'm smacking into the net. I've scor goals from outside the box but they didn't feel like scramers to me and were very unsatisfying.


There are just too many bugs in this game for me to like, PES 2011 had many as well but I enjoyed that game immensley and over looked them. Again, I think Konami have taken one step foward with 2011 and now two step backs with this one.

2011 MLO = Great fun 2012 = Unplayable filled with abusing speed merchants
2011 ML = Great fun 2012 = A whinge feast, play a player all the time and drop him one match because he is tired and he'll come into your office and complain about not being played:no:

Th passing, shooting, goalkeepers, the scripting etc. Everything feels worse than it did in 2011. THey improved the unresponsive dribbling in 2011 but too much. Every player know has the touch of Zidane and Bergkamp, Konami never have a middleground, something either has to under done or over done.

I have to agree with more or less all that you have stated. It's so frustrating to see that Konami have failed to build upon the foundation PES 2011 provided. It was by no means a perfect game but PES 2012 should have built on it.

In actual fact it appears it (Pro 2011) has been entirely disregarded. It must be understood that there was no need to create a new PES game entirely or "revolutionize" the gameplay. I personally felt 2011 did that to an extent and rightly so. Now 2012 has refused to take on board any good points from its predecessor bringing with it it's own flaws.

Surely each PES instalment should build upon one another yet this has not been the case for a long time now. It should not feel that we are playing two entirely different games every year (unless the later instalment is awesome of course).

 

[dan80]

I likes pes2012 but finidng it too croweded every team has players in there box and hard to break through especially playing BAL you cant seem to loose a player you run and have to stop and always pass its hard to get past players in that mode i liked it 2010 thre was always a difffrent way of scoring but at the same time the AI was so bad so really if they had a mixture of 2010 and 2012 then it would be better.

 

[Stormrider]

i did buy 10 and 11. all i remember from 10 was that it sumtimes crashed on the entrance scene. did they fix that.

but why no love for pes09. take away the out of date menus the game play was good. it felt like freedom. you could have proper shots ok it was a bit arcady but you could have mad goal mouth scrambles.

games since then sometimes feel like your playin on ice

my problem with 12 is it dont always feel like its you. thats why i never liked fifa because it feels like the cpu doing everything for you like when you go to kick the ball it will do some overhead kick.

the amount of times i go to head it or clear the balll in pes 12 and it goes the wrong way is so frustation

I thought I was the only one that would think 2009 was the best for this generation. It was the most enjoyable for me and even though it didn't have 360 movement at the time, the passing still had more freedom compared to 2010 and 2011. It was a bit dated even at the time but still it felt like a proper Pes game and most importantly it was fun to play.

Well I watch plenty of football and I could not disagree with your statement more, mainly because

1. Goalkeeper don't dive over back passes and let a ball rolling at 5m/ph in
2. Defenders don't duck when a guy crosses a ball leaves the striker free.
3. Defenders don't run for no reason away run away with the guy who has the ball and allow him to run through the middle of the park.
4. 90% of free kicks shouldn't always result in goals (imagine ever match in the prem would be, it would be 12-12 everym match)
5. Teams don't camp their defence with 9 men, then hoof the ball which magically always goes to their 5'5 striker who beats a 6'3 defender in the air. The ball goes to the winger and if he has the speed merchant card, no matter how poor he is, he will skin 5 players and barely kick the ball but the goalie will just stand there and watch it go in.
6. Players don't run like chickens and skate on ice as they play on grass.
7. Players don't lock on to running and then stop or glitch for no reason
8. Theo Walcott never gets caught up by Titus Bramble.
9. Heskey and other big lump players don't have unlimited stamina and won't hunt all your player down for the whole match a htey would be screwed.
10. Players can actually kick the ball hard, long strikes are not baloons and if they are then there would be no long goals scored in real life, but in this game they can go in as the goalies are


But it's your oinion and I hold no ill will against you thinking that but I could not disagree more with people more aying this is a real life football sim, that goes for Fifa as well.



Anyway, here is my list of the best PES games on next gen console

1. PES 2011
2. PES 2009
3. PES 2010
4. PES 2008
5. PES 2012


My favourites all up are however.

1. PES 3
2. PES 6
3. PES 5
4. PEs 2011
4. Pes 4

Spot on you couldn't have described the flaws of Pes any better.

 

[abu97]

Pes 2009 had so much problems including no freedom in passing with no power bar, no responsiveness, gay collisions and the same for PES 2010. To this day and onwards the worst PES are

-PES 2008
-PES 2009
-PES 2011
-PES 2010
-PES 2012

This is for next-gen

 

[kas786]

So why PES 2011 and 2012, Abu? I actually feel 2011 is the best thus far in terms of this gen consoles and I mentioned why earlier.

By the way I agree about your points on pes 2009

 

[abu97]

So why PES 2011 and 2012, Abu? I actually feel 2011 is the best thus far in terms of this gen consoles and I mentioned why earlier.

By the way I agree about your points on pes 2009

In Pes 2011 dribbling was loose and there was no close control
2. Turning was like turning a double-decker bus regardless of technqiue
3. No responsiveness
4. Defenders ran away from every through ball and there was no zonal defending or marking
5. Every defender was retarded
6. Half the team were offside
7. There was no responsiveness so the game lagged and was rough
8. Players don't sweat or give expressions
9. AI is dumb, espically in become a legend
10. Player faces are cardboard and 2d
11. Cursor changing is bugged

PES 2012 fixes most of these game-breaking bugs

 

[superpav]

yay somone else loved pes09
def feels freedom in passing and shooting.
i sold pes12 on ebay and got £26 back

 

[kas786]

In Pes 2011 dribbling was loose and there was no close control
2. Turning was like turning a double-decker bus regardless of technqiue
3. No responsiveness
4. Defenders ran away from every through ball and there was no zonal defending or marking
5. Every defender was retarded
6. Half the team were offside
7. There was no responsiveness so the game lagged and was rough
8. Players don't sweat or give expressions
9. AI is dumb, espically in become a legend
10. Player faces are cardboard and 2d
11. Cursor changing is bugged

PES 2012 fixes most of these game-breaking bugs

Good points. Cursor changing was awful when the bug did occur (which was certainly frequently enough). Also the defending system was an issue. The other points are valid but were hardly game breakers for me. I don't really play BAL so I cant really comment on that.

However I still feel 2011 was a good foundation on which to build. PES 2012 doesn't necessarily bring the same problems - it brings new ones. Scroll up the page to see FTGPETE's comments on it.

Basically I feel 2012 should've expanded on 2011 but it really doesn't. Every PES game now seems like an entirely different game from the last by which I basically mean - new game hence new problems.

In days of old it felt as if each new installment of ISS/PES built upon it's predecessor thus producing a better game each year.

We're meant to be playing Pro EVOLUTION Soccer. Yet there is never any evolution but instead a metamorphosis. Every new PES tries to build some kind of new identity but in reality does not know what it is trying to accomplish. The result is some confused, soulless, transgender she-male of a game.

So I felt 2011 gave some kind of identity. I thought PES 2012 would provide some personality.
I was wrong.

Interested to hear your views.

 

[abu97]

Good points. Cursor changing was awful when the bug did occur (which was certainly frequently enough). Also the defending system was an issue. The other points are valid but were hardly game breakers for me. I don't really play BAL so I cant really comment on that.

However I still feel 2011 was a good foundation on which to build. PES 2012 doesn't necessarily bring the same problems - it brings new ones. Scroll up the page to see FTGPETE's comments on it.

Basically I feel 2012 should've expanded on 2011 but it really doesn't. Every PES game now seems like an entirely different game from the last by which I basically mean - new game hence new problems.

In days of old it felt as if each new installment of ISS/PES built upon it's predecessor thus producing a better game each year.

We're meant to be playing Pro EVOLUTION Soccer. Yet there is never any evolution but instead a metamorphosis. Every new PES tries to build some kind of new identity but in reality does not know what it is trying to accomplish. The result is some confused, soulless, transgender she-male of a game.

So I felt 2011 gave some kind of identity. I thought PES 2012 would provide some personality.
I was wrong.

Interested to hear your views.

The problems fgpete mentioned were true for some points however they were in pes 2011 - ridiculous keepers. ALso cursor changing can be changed to semi-assisted if you do not want to switch. Also in superstar every team plays the same which i agree on but this was in 2011. Also the catch up bug is removed however players like Walcott get caught up because of their low balance so they need to fix the speed.
SHooting does have more fizz for certain players after 1.02 patch

 

[kas786]

The problems fgpete mentioned were true for some points however they were in pes 2011 - ridiculous keepers. ALso cursor changing can be changed to semi-assisted if you do not want to switch. Also in superstar every team plays the same which i agree on but this was in 2011. Also the catch up bug is removed however players like Walcott get caught up because of their low balance so they need to fix the speed.
SHooting does have more fizz for certain players after 1.02 patch

Hmmm... but my hope with 2012 was that it would not just iron out the bugs (which it only does sparingly) but take a decent base and expand upon it. I think this year's edition's failure to fufill my high hopes means I look at the game from a more cynical view.... and leaves me clinicaly depressed... :jongcrymore:

 

[abu97]

It built on some aspects of the game but failed in a minority like passing. Pes 2012 wasn't from scratch, it was just more responsive with better AI

 

[Bredazuid]

Pes2012 is the best game but also the most boring..

Pes2008 was better than pes2006 only not online. Offline 2008 was very good although everybody forgot becuase we were so dissapointed that online was crap.

2011 was the best since 2008 only too many bugs and too less freedom for your players.

2012 should have been 2011 without bugs. Although the extra features of 2012 like oof ball control are a welcome addon.

Lets hope like every year 2013 will be better or at least less boring...

I just looked at some old ISS movies and 10 years further no big steps are made.... How sad.

 

[abu97]

The only reason I was looking forward to buy this years edition because I heard it was responsive, something that was lacking in previous gens. Without responsiveness, there will be a lot of bugs like everyone being offside or cursor changing