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there would be no kind of legacy defending FIFA if there is no PES.FIFA has been copying PES gameplay and good features since FIFA 07 and It looks way obvious in FIFA WC2010.D.Rutter got nothing for granted as he has somewhat no originality of ideas in his game as he also is dedicated PES fan...

How can I describe both game better??oh it should be like this; FIFA 12 = Skyrim;flashy animation,graphic,Noob friendly,easy of getting used to, developed for mass appeal(COD-like) PES 2012 = Dark soul;hard to get used to,emphasization of tactical moves is the main attraction especially...

in almost every PES 2012 videos I watched,there was always a player running forward after passing to another.that's the major bug I've seen lately.

there no reason for PES to try becoming FIFA as FIFA used to copy everything PES had in last gen.

2goals from France team(CPU) from build up play are really great which proves how great that A.I in PES 2012.new advanced A.I will make playing against CPU is the hardest thing to beat.

Hope that KONAMI will not be ignorant again leaving it's fans suggestions into drain for this year's PES.seabass should first play his creation for many times to find out any bugs that would fcuk up the new responsive gameplay before PES 2012 is released to the fans.

Still not very happy about this news.Konami should also make companion with other company for technical area such as motion capture since PES has lagged so much behind in this department for ages compared to EA's FIFA.

PES has football video gaming brain like Seabass who pioneered nearly realistic and logic football gameplay on video game while FIFA has David Rutter who was also PES fan and trying to imitate PES gameplay in FIFA since 2007.I remember that there was no pressure button in FIFA like in PES 1...

I think next year is time for Seabass and Co. to hire some great computer programmers from European countries to improve the quality of gaming animation.It seems they have struggled so hard since moving to NG console game development just to deliver proper football movement on screen.

I think some people forget that in the leaked game play video we have seen so far there is a situation where players not rushing or shy away to chase the loose ball.

We are football game purists and not 'the other game' fans who we can also call them casual gamers.So game play matters a lot since U know how real football is played on pitch even I quite admit animation including graphic always give U good first impression for all video games.

She wrote in Hebrew I guess.

Dodo is the best play maker while Jaric is the best defender among original ML players.It's so fair.isn't it? Dodo = Xavi Jaric = Maldini

that's what makes PES looked like an arcade game imo;lacks of proper football animation.I think PES staffs are retarded and close minded cunts who do want to cooperate with and learn from anyone outside Japan and KONAMI studios.:realmad:(Angry as die hard PES fan).

Listen pes staffs!!this is my suggestion:realmad: please cooperate with european developer or kojima studio(very reasonable) for the work of the latest motion capture tech to simulate real football movement in pes.(shit i don't think they would hear my good recommendation)

controlling looks more responsive,more animation added,more realistic ball physics and you finally can play beautiful football this time.there is still horrible animation but gameplay does matter a lot for me.at least I can play Dodo with great feeling in ML again when it released in October.

Hello there, thanks for allowing me to join this PES purists forum. U can call me Rob.still studying in college. I was addicted with Master League and Favourite ML player is Dodo whereas my favourite club is Chelsea.

Of course PC for me.U can have a shit loads of editing tools and patches that make your PES looks more life like even there are many issues regarding installing patches.

I think it is so early to say about that since we don't get any demo at the moment.If someone say it will be 'the best football game ever' then it is just like trusting 'the best ever' quotes made by stupid journalists for crappy FIFA gimmick in every year release since we know that every FIFA...

It's really a shame for Konami as Europe is their money mainland in football gaming franchise.then We'll see another year gaming review sites from USA bashing PES even PES 5 got shit review by USA 'football' journalists.