360' movement confirmed on 360, PC and PS3

[PESFan92]

Is it me or are we going to expect "Next Gen" in KONAMI. I think theres someone who works for KONAMI registered on this site in disguised. Anyone wanna own up :shifty:

 

[shaun7]

but if you slow the game down to much you loose the enjoyment factor,the best football games have always been slightly exaggerated as it makes them more playable ie pes6 over the slower pes5.

the problem with fifa09 is its to slow and boring and takes itself to seriously which makes it less of a game and more of a boring simulation of football.

im a massive follower of football and watch teams play every week and theres no denying especially in the premeiership the game is so fast now.


when i watched the highlights last night of the England League and then fired up pes09 the speed of the play was almost indentical although the dribbling 90 degree turns are unrealistic.

what konami always catcher really well is tempo changes wear by the game speeds up and slows down depending on how compact and stretched the play is.

Well I prefer simulations but yeah pes 6 was enjoyable. Although I still prefer pes 5.
I know football is much faster these days. I just hope it isn't as fast as pes 09. I don't think it is.

 

[SammyGunner11]

So glad, I'm a PS3 owner. but cam someone explain to me the goalkeeper bit? How will we be able to control the keeper? will there be a keeper's point-of-view?

 

[iamcanadianeh]

Gonna buy me a PS3 now. Being a D Pad man, and already missing out on editting options and music importing, this tips the scales. Plus, free online, a Blueray disc player, and the fact that I know at some point my Xbox 360 is going to die (again) and this time when it's out of warranty... I miss the old dual shock controllers badly too (I currently play with the D Pad on the 360 - not bad once you get used to it actually).

 

[Janus909]

Gonna buy me a PS3 now. Being a D Pad man, and already missing out on editting options and music importing, this tips the scales. Plus, free online, a Blueray disc player, and the fact that I know at some point my Xbox 360 is going to die (again) and this time when it's out of warranty... I miss the old dual shock controllers badly too (I currently play with the D Pad on the 360 - not bad once you get used to it actually).

good man, you wait till u get used to the PS3 system, its fantastic!! D-pad all the way for me aswell, will see you online!

 

[CryingGallas]

but if you slow the game down to much you loose the enjoyment factor,the best football games have always been slightly exaggerated as it makes them more playable ie pes6 over the slower pes5.

the problem with fifa09 is its to slow and boring and takes itself to seriously which makes it less of a game and more of a boring simulation of football.

im a massive follower of football and watch teams play every week and theres no denying especially in the premeiership the game is so fast now.


when i watched the highlights last night of the England League and then fired up pes09 the speed of the play was almost indentical although the dribbling 90 degree turns are unrealistic.

what konami always catcher really well is tempo changes wear by the game speeds up and slows down depending on how compact and stretched the play is.

I agree, Fifa 09 was too slow and boring!

 

[Amateur]

but if you slow the game down to much you loose the enjoyment factor,the best football games have always been slightly exaggerated as it makes them more playable ie pes6 over the slower pes5.

the problem with fifa09 is its to slow and boring and takes itself to seriously which makes it less of a game and more of a boring simulation of football.

im a massive follower of football and watch teams play every week and theres no denying especially in the premeiership the game is so fast now.


when i watched the highlights last night of the England League and then fired up pes09 the speed of the play was almost indentical although the dribbling 90 degree turns are unrealistic.

what konami always catcher really well is tempo changes wear by the game speeds up and slows down depending on how compact and stretched the play is.

I used to share your same opinion... but nowadays I see it differently, I do not think the "pace of the game" can make anything more fun or more boring. For starters, it's a matter of opinion.

For me the bottom line is that both PES5 and PES6 were good games for their time, miles ahead of FIFA back then -but- they're just not good enough nor immersive enough anymore. Today, I can better appreciatte just how very one-dimensional both games always were.

In PES5, dribbling with the ball and defending against the holder of the ball was a very one-dimensional battle, it required no 'real' skills or thinking. It was fun and addictive, and it could even be played 'competitively' at times... but it was one-dimensional because everything was tied to an 8-directional control.

It's pretty much the same thing with PES6, sure every goal felt and looked different... but the tug on the d-pad or analog was always the same identical procedure.

This is why (imo) some people think that PES5 was slower and in turn more boring than PES6 -because- it was slower and yet it offered nothing else to master, it was tied to 8-directional everything, at a slower pace. It's very understadable that some people find it more boring and realistic than PES6.

But I don't think it's about the pace of the game, I think it's more about having more little things to master. How you dribble with the ball, how you defend against the attacker, how your off-the-ball movement affects everything, intercepting the ball, etc, etc.

For example, with 360-degree controll we should now have a more complex and immersive one-on-one play. It will probably 'force' us into paying more attention, in other words it will be a more immersive experience.

And so no matter how slow the gameplay is, the game will still feel enjoyable because you're always Thinking and perfecting something.

I would compare it with Watchmen the Motion Comic movie, the drawings are very slow and look boring, the colors are dark and boring, but the plot of the comic haves you thinking all the time. And even though it is very slow, it's probably the most remarkable 'movie' I've seen in years, so immersive.

In my opinion, the more realistic the better, and more challenging and rewarding the experience will be.



PS - I don't consider FIFA09 anything close to a "realistic" Football Simulation, it's just an end-to-end arcade game with pretty life-like animations.

 

[shaun7]

^True.
I think that pes 2010 can be something like that though. I just hope for the best.

 

[Baddar]

So fricking happy, best thing Konami has done is listen to it's fans. To be honest they needed this for new game(360 movement) because if Fifa only had it they know they would have been buggered.

MWII & This

Isn't it just amazing how, now that PES has 360 dribbling confirmed, fans are saying it would've been "buggered" had FIFA been the only game that had it, when a couple of weeks ago it was just a minor addition in most PES fans' eyes.

This is one of the things I agree with Tech Skill on strongly. I don't agree on the way he feels the need to put things across most of the time, but I see where he's coming from.

360 movement is great and all, but if that's in PES 2010 and the online still isn't up to standard, there'll be an uproar. PES fans deserve good online play. I heard they're moving from the Konami servers, or something along those lines, this time around, so with a bit of luck it'll be sorted.

For Konami, fixing online is a hell of a lot more important than 360 dribbling. Getting both of them right this year along with all of the other updates/fixes supposedly made puts them in with a great chance of over-taking FIFA once again, I think.

 

[shaun7]

Isn't it just amazing how, now that PES has 360 dribbling confirmed, fans are saying it would've been "buggered" had FIFA been the only game that had it, when a couple of weeks ago it was just a minor addition in most PES fans' eyes.

This is one of the things I agree with Tech Skill on strongly. I don't agree on the way he feels the need to put things across most of the time, but I see where he's coming from.

I for one always said this:
360 dribbling is a good thing, really good, but nothing too major. I will still say this. 360 has to work fully in order to experience it's real power. You also need 360 AI movements, 360 passing and crossing and shooting aswell. Well, shooting has to be semi assisted otherwise it would be too hard to get used to. Or maybe an option to have semi assisted or manual.
So unless those things are added, 360 movements alone won't be anything really major.
Also I never comment on anything until I see/play it. So I am surley not of of them.