**Arrows System + R3: preset off the ball movement**

[Amateur]

@ Konami

Can the semi-automatic off the ball movement work in accordance to preset directions?

I mean, instead of pressing the R3 button and the player making a vertical run, it sounds rather easy on theory, to assign different preset directions to each individual, similar to the old arrows system of PES5 and PES6. The directions would be generic: north, south, east, west, north-east, north-west, south-east, and south-west. Each individual player could have any of the mentioned preset directions, adding some much needed variety into the off the ball aspect of the game.

For example, if Xavi Hernandez has the "arrow" pointing towards the south, when you select Xavi as the off the ball target, and you press the R3 button, instead of running vertically towards the opponent's penalty area like the rest of the players, Xavi will run backwards into his own half of the pitch or even as far as the defensive line.

On the other hand, Lio Messi could have the "arrow" pointing towards the north-east, which means that when Messi is selected as the off the ball target, when you press the R3 button, Messi will run diagonally towards the opponent's penalty area.

The PES12 manual off the ball movement requires constant directions, which interferes with the direction in which the ball carrier moves and with the direction of passing; I think a lot of gamers would feel more at home with an off the ball system where the direction of movement is preset, therefore offering some of the advantages of manual off the ball movement, but with the easy and more intuitive execution of semi-automatic off the ball movement.

The PES12 off the ball system is a great addition as it is, but I feel that with some minor tweaks it could be twice as good.

 

[DIECI]

I think this is a great idea! The vertial only runs are nice but this could add more depth to the attack. Manual R3 runs are too hard to pull off. Its not easy to tell one player who you're controlling wiht the ball to do one thing and tell the other to do something completely different and have an eye on both... Not humanly possible I don't think.

 

[S-D-P]

Nice post Amateur, I'm still getting to grips with RS movement myself. I like this idea as not only would it give you variation in terms of how you play it would also keep player individuality, ie replicating certain players movement and allowing you as the user to make use of your own knowledge about current players and how they play. A feature a such as this would be subtle yet effective and force you to use your football brain, I cant see how it wouldn't work with the current tactics system and movements of players anyway. It sounds similar to the current setting but instead has varying preset directions.

Obviously something to think about for pes 2013.

 

[Amateur]

Nice post Amateur, I'm still getting to grips with RS movement myself. I like this idea as not only would it give you variation in terms of how you play it would also keep player individuality, ie replicating certain players movement and allowing you as the user to make use of your own knowledge about current players and how they play. A feature a such as this would be subtle yet effective and force you to use your football brain, I cant see how it wouldn't work with the current tactics system and movements of players anyway. It sounds similar to the current setting but instead has varying preset directions.

Obviously something to think about for pes 2013.

Furthermore, the off the ball directions can be multiplied by two, by dividing the system into two: when the ball is in your own half of the pitch, and when the ball is in the opponent's half of the pitch.

For example, Xavi Hernandez would run backwards diagonally, when the ball is in your own half of the pitch; on the other hand, when the ball is in the opponent's half, Xavi could run horizontally from left to right. The same thing could be done with every player, thus offering a potential of two directions of off the ball movement per player.

The problem that I find with the MANUAL off the ball movement system, is the complete lack of accuracy and consistency when selecting a player, you rarely select the player that you actually wanted to select, because pressing the right analog stick is not accurate, it would be better to simply direct the right analog stick + press the L2 or R2 button, I feel the directional scope of the right analog stick would work better if you didn't have to press it down.

I think this is something to think about for PES12, to be honest; I mean, we know that with the manual off the ball movement the player can run in any direction; why not release a patch that modifies the semi-automatic off the ball movement? It really sounds very simple in theory, and I think it's the type of thing which could be addressed via a patch as opposed to waiting an entire year for PES13 (that is, if the world doesn't end in 2012).