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Could the defence in PES4 stink any more!?

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rossjacks

Registered User
After playing two seasons of ML 4* Ive come to the conlclusion that the defensive features in PES4 stink, its awful, bad, its embarrasing!! Oh my god its frustrating!! AI/CPU has so many tricks in theis pockets which I have never been able to pull off, nothing in the manuals on how to do them etc... It should be fair. What the hell is the pulling, pushing, tripping, amazing tackles and predictable bouncing ball about!? How can a player with 75 in speed catch up with exp. martins who has 99 in speed!?
Damn!! How can you realease a game like this!? There better be lots of improvments in gameplay in PES5, who cares about stadiums and all that crap when the gameplay is far from acceptable.
Im seriously considering EA FIFA until PES5 is out!!
 
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goonersaurus

Registered User
i know what you mean!

i know exactly how you feel, i had shevchenko score against me last night by shoving j terry in the back and score by a header, also ive had to bump henrys top speed up to 97, just to get it to accurratly convey his way of flying past defenders! theres tons of annoyances in the game, but dont forget the good games you have where everything you do seems to pull off, and for the love of jesus dont get fifa! if you get that pissed off with pro evo, play mashed with a bunch of mates thats a cracking game!
 
Zygalski

Zygalski

Administrator
Having recently played some matches against the CPU I've noticed that it cheats a lot.
The game is more fair and fun to play against other people, whether it is online or offline.
 
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rossjacks

Registered User
Acctually I couldnt bare myself getting FIFA, Ive just quit playing against CPU until future games get better gameplay in the defence sense. I just play online against other people, its so much better and less frustraiting. I think my hair is growing back!! :)
 
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Socom

Banned
the defence is really poor on pes4, have you noticed for corners that the two centre backs come up (when playing 4-4-2) and 2 of your midfield players move into defence!
 
calculus

calculus

Registered User
Zygalski said:
Having recently played some matches against the CPU I've noticed that it cheats a lot.
The game is more fair and fun to play against other people, whether it is online or offline.
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I second that its so much more fun playing against others instead of the AI/CPU. But I think alot of people havent figured out how to defend, I think im close to perfecting it but even so it doesnt mean I wont conceed goals because thats football. The AI isnt really that challenging but when they score people are pissed and when they dont score people moan :confused: I use it as a sparring dummy playing other people is the aim.
 
Stormrider

Stormrider

Registered User
Take a chill pill ross. All you need is more practise cuz there's much more to learn in we8/pes4 then we7/pes3. The defensive features have been great for me. On 5/6* 10min I'll finish a 38 match season with the top defense record (approx. 20 goals against). I find 6* 15min to be too ez cuz I can beat a team like Chelsea 6-0 (lazy ai defenders). 10min is great and very hard just keep practising, it's supposed to be a challenge. Whater you do, avoid fifa!

Some defense tips:
When defending avoid using speed burst (causes inaccurate tackles + wastes stamina). Only use when you are really far behind. Get in range and hold X, you'll usually knock him down but it's better than him running away :p. Slide as soon as he deaks pass you, but yellow card.

The square button is your life saver, press it to clear loose balls in situations you wouldn't think was possible, even uncontrolled players can clear once pressed. Don't toy around in your own box against teams with fast strikers.

You also need to use lots of tactics. Tall defenders/or good jumpers against tall strikers, fast man marker against fast and tricky strikers, etc. Also not a good idea to use a tired defender near end of match, like Montero often is.

In formation settings during a match, learn to use quick settings. It instantly changes your formation to several preset formations (each team has their own unique set), such as Defense Only when leading 1 goal late in game.
example, when leading fairly late in match with Man U against a good team, I'd switch to balanced. This causes the wingers to fall back alongside Keane and Scholes and create flat 4 midfield. Then sub 1 of them with CMD like Fletcher or P. Neville. This tactic usually takes away lots of space from opponent. Using Defense Only too early in game is not always good idea, you'll give up all the possession and they'll just keep firing away until eventually 1 gets by.

last minute tip. Try to avoid using blue arrow players (unless they're so much better than your green/yellow/red players), they almost always have slow reactions. Don't even bother using grey arrow players :p

This is the beauty of we8/pes4. You can't just go into a game and play. You need lots of planning. Practise and hopefully soon you can defend like me :p
 
calculus

calculus

Registered User
Stormrider said:
Take a chill pill ross. All you need is more practise cuz there's much more to learn in we8/pes4 then we7/pes3. The defensive features have been great for me. On 5/6* 10min I'll finish a 38 match season with the top defense record (approx. 20 goals against). I find 6* 15min to be too ez cuz I can beat a team like Chelsea 6-0 (lazy ai defenders). 10min is great and very hard just keep practising, it's supposed to be a challenge. Whater you do, avoid fifa!

Some defense tips:
When defending avoid using speed burst (causes inaccurate tackles + wastes stamina). Only use when you are really far behind. Get in range and hold X, you'll usually knock him down but it's better than him running away :p. Slide as soon as he deaks pass you, but yellow card.

The square button is your life saver, press it to clear loose balls in situations you wouldn't think was possible, even uncontrolled players can clear once pressed. Don't toy around in your own box against teams with fast strikers.

You also need to use lots of tactics. Tall defenders/or good jumpers against tall strikers, fast man marker against fast and tricky strikers, etc. Also not a good idea to use a tired defender near end of match, like Montero often is.

In formation settings during a match, learn to use quick settings. It instantly changes your formation to several preset formations (each team has their own unique set), such as Defense Only when leading 1 goal late in game.
example, when leading fairly late in match with Man U against a good team, I'd switch to balanced. This causes the wingers to fall back alongside Keane and Scholes and create flat 4 midfield. Then sub 1 of them with CMD like Fletcher or P. Neville. This tactic usually takes away lots of space from opponent. Using Defense Only too early in game is not always good idea, you'll give up all the possession and they'll just keep firing away until eventually 1 gets by.

last minute tip. Try to avoid using blue arrow players (unless they're so much better than your green/yellow/red players), they almost always have slow reactions. Don't even bother using grey arrow players :p

This is the beauty of we8/pes4. You can't just go into a game and play. You need lots of planning. Practise and hopefully soon you can defend like me :p
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Quality post I could have put it better myself :D (cheeky I know)
 
DARK JAK

DARK JAK

Registered User
I know what you mean but to go off and play Fifa instead is a crime as that game is very very poor. Even though the defences aren't the best, PES4 still rules and is the best football game out.
 
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gollan

Registered User
What stormrider said plus the following:

1. I know, I know - but don't moan!!! Just improve yourself. (had to be said first)
2. Ok. Now to substantial stuff: when defending in the opponents half, I.E., you were attacking and lost possession, DON'T CHANGE YOUR PLAYER YET. Run after the guy with the ball with your own player and try to catch up with him. Do NOT press :square: at the time, as it will cause defensive players to move out of position. Do it only if you are sure they will get the ball. Do not press :R1: if you press :square: as he said - the CPU holding the ball will have an easy time dribbling past your AI controlled defender.
3. If he made it past into your half: Change into a player who is between the AI player and the goal, and go BACKWARDS. No running, just try to anticipate his pass. He'll usually do some stupid thing and you'll have possession. Don't run, don't approach him, stay 3 feet away. when he closes in, you can press :square: and get the ball easily. After stealing the ball, don't toy around with it, he'll steak it back. change direction, or pass it. Sometimes, like SR said, press :square: to get the ball outta there.
Try to see what the AI does - he's not very creative, like when on the wing, if they want to cross, they'll always do that forward-backward-forward thing. Just wait for them and steal it. Also notice the AI is not so good at defending - they just don't make the stupid mistakes most of us make (which is running towards the player in possession holding :R1: )

Hope it helped.
 
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boate872

Registered User
the problem isnt the game and his features, the problem is u, pes4 cant be copared with FIFA, pes4 is far far away in everything. I think the opposite of you, i played better defending than attaking :p

continue playing and training , dont leave to FIFA
 
Morientes19

Morientes19

Registered User
fifa is rubbish. You always seem to score the perfect goal. on pro you can score scrappy goals that come of your knee etc. Also the edit mode on fifa is crap
 
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Jasper

Registered User
Stormrider said:
Take a chill pill ross. All you need is more practise cuz there's much more to learn in we8/pes4 then we7/pes3. The defensive features have been great for me. On 5/6* 10min I'll finish a 38 match season with the top defense record (approx. 20 goals against). I find 6* 15min to be too ez cuz I can beat a team like Chelsea 6-0 (lazy ai defenders). 10min is great and very hard just keep practising, it's supposed to be a challenge. Whater you do, avoid fifa!

Some defense tips:
When defending avoid using speed burst (causes inaccurate tackles + wastes stamina). Only use when you are really far behind. Get in range and hold X, you'll usually knock him down but it's better than him running away :p. Slide as soon as he deaks pass you, but yellow card.

The square button is your life saver, press it to clear loose balls in situations you wouldn't think was possible, even uncontrolled players can clear once pressed. Don't toy around in your own box against teams with fast strikers.

You also need to use lots of tactics. Tall defenders/or good jumpers against tall strikers, fast man marker against fast and tricky strikers, etc. Also not a good idea to use a tired defender near end of match, like Montero often is.

In formation settings during a match, learn to use quick settings. It instantly changes your formation to several preset formations (each team has their own unique set), such as Defense Only when leading 1 goal late in game.
example, when leading fairly late in match with Man U against a good team, I'd switch to balanced. This causes the wingers to fall back alongside Keane and Scholes and create flat 4 midfield. Then sub 1 of them with CMD like Fletcher or P. Neville. This tactic usually takes away lots of space from opponent. Using Defense Only too early in game is not always good idea, you'll give up all the possession and they'll just keep firing away until eventually 1 gets by.

last minute tip. Try to avoid using blue arrow players (unless they're so much better than your green/yellow/red players), they almost always have slow reactions. Don't even bother using grey arrow players :p

This is the beauty of we8/pes4. You can't just go into a game and play. You need lots of planning. Practise and hopefully soon you can defend like me :p
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I agree 100% I am like you.
 
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