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With the release date of PES 2011 getting closer, I wanted to take the time to talk about an aspect of the game that has little to do with the actual gameplay.
Of course, I am talking about the Edit Mode,
PES lacks licenses, therefore, it should compensate for the lack of licenses by giving the user more details -- this is an area where Konami never improved and has actually gotten worse over the years,
Back in the PS2 days, PES compensated for its lack of licenses by giving the user more details and freedom over certain aspects of the game.
Now as most people know, since the leap to current-gen consoles, not only has the Edit Mode not improved, it has actually gotten worse...
We know that at this late stage, our gameplay suggestions will NOT affect the end product; therefore, I wanted to talk about realistic suggestions, small details that can add to the overall package of the game, suggestions that can still make it to PES 2011.
Use this thread to post any suggestions or requests that have nothing to do with gameplay issues,
I have two requests in mind,
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1st Request: Classic Players with real names and faces,
I am something of a fan-boy of real-life Football and, over the years, having watched a lot of players from different eras; I have always imagined things, like for example, how would Romario play with Riquelme? Ronaldo with Valderrama? Pele with Xavi Hernandez?
One of my favorite Editing features about PES5 and PES6 was the Face Editor. It gave you a lot of freedom, over 100+ hairstyles, over 200+ preset faces, and it even had "special hairstyles" of classic players.
This gave the user enough freedom to create accurate-looking classic players and classic teams; although of course, this was not for everyone... some people prefer to keep it as realistic as possible,
But as a fan of the series myself, one of the things that I liked the most about PES was the freedom it offered to the user; the user could decide to keep it as realistic as possible, but if he wanted he could go down a more fantastic route.
So,
Instead of just asking for the same thing that we had back in the PS2 versions, I am asking for an improvement, and one way of improving in this respect would be to simply include "hidden" classic players with their real names and faces,
EA Sports has already done it with FIFA, a Classic XI Team with players like: Franz Beckembauer, Franco Baresi, Zico, Eric Cantona, Gheorghe Hagi, Hugo Sanchez, and many others.
The negative points with the Classic XI Team that features in FIFA:
1st -- even though they have their real faces and names, like most faces in FIFA10, they don't look very good...
2nd -- the lack of player individuality, classic players do not feel distinctive nor unique,
3rd -- you cannot use classic players in Manager Mode, you can only play Exhibition games,
This would not be a problem with PES,
Because PES offers great player likenesses, decent player individuality, and also gives the user the option of using or not using "classic players" in the Master League Mode.
Thus the hardcore fans of real-life Football, the fans who fantasize about impossible line-ups... they could assemble a Classic XI Team and use it in the Master League Mode -- without -- it feeling generic and cheap,
That's the type of freedom that the PS2 versions of PES offered,
If PES 2011 had "hidden" classic players who looked as good as Messi and the rest of the modern-day stars, that when they have the ball at their feet the commentators will say "Zidane with the ball" or "Baggio with the ball" -- this would give the user a small incentive after winning a title,
Something that PES is currently lacking... you win titles and you win "world player of the year" awards and, what do you get in return?
You win a trophy that has no actual use in-game, or you "unlock" some classic player with a random name, a generic face, and unrealistic stats.
How different would it feel, if after winning a title -- you got to "unlock" a true-to-life representation of Pele?
PES has always featured players with their real faces, even the players of the EPL have their real faces and names (despite Konami not having the EPL License) -- if EA Sports is doing it with FIFA, why can't Konami do the same with their game?
A few "hidden" classic players with their real faces and names -- would be easy to implement and would add something to the overall package of the game.
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2nd Request: Kit Editing,
I have always wanted a couple of new options for Kit Editing, unfortunately, it has not improved, instead, you could argue that it has in fact gotten worse.
Back in the PS2 versions of PES, you could create very accurate uniforms... but there was always one small difference between a genuine konami-made uniform and a user-made uniform,
So instead of just asking for something that we already had in PES5, this request is very simple, new features for kit editing:
* ability or option of placing logos in the socks,
* ability or option of placing logos in the sleeves of the shirt/jersey,
* ability or option of tweaking with the length of the shorts -- making it possible to create accurate representations of classic teams, and also adding a certain element of "team individuality"
* ability or option of tweaking with the size of the shirt/jersey -- this could work individually, that is, the size of the shirt/jersey could be different for every player; thus adding another element of "player individuality"
Although it would not affect the gameplay in any way, this would surely be noted in-game, adding new elements of team individuality and player individuality,
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* Actual Use of this Thread: (reminder)
Since the leap to current-gen consoles I couldn't help but feel disappointed with the lack of improvements in all areas of the game. I still cannot understand how a PS2 game has a better Edit Mode than a PS3 game.
In terms of non-gameplay issues, my main disappointment was with the Face Editor and Kit Editor; instead of improving, it actually got worse.
I would like to know what you think about the classic player request (1st Request) and the kit editor request (2nd Request) -- and -- would appreciate if you could add your own request or suggestion,
Use this thread to make any suggestion or request that has nothing to do with gameplay issues,
Also, if any of you guys are interested in Classic Players -- I want to make this thread as useful as possible, so knowing how Konami works with their photo-realistic faces,
Feel free to post a link (or links) to a picture of the Classic Player that you want to see in PES 2011, the picture is important because that's the face that would make it into the game -- also -- feel free to post the STATS of the classic player,
Of course, I am talking about the Edit Mode,
PES lacks licenses, therefore, it should compensate for the lack of licenses by giving the user more details -- this is an area where Konami never improved and has actually gotten worse over the years,
Back in the PS2 days, PES compensated for its lack of licenses by giving the user more details and freedom over certain aspects of the game.
Now as most people know, since the leap to current-gen consoles, not only has the Edit Mode not improved, it has actually gotten worse...
We know that at this late stage, our gameplay suggestions will NOT affect the end product; therefore, I wanted to talk about realistic suggestions, small details that can add to the overall package of the game, suggestions that can still make it to PES 2011.
Use this thread to post any suggestions or requests that have nothing to do with gameplay issues,
I have two requests in mind,
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1st Request: Classic Players with real names and faces,
I am something of a fan-boy of real-life Football and, over the years, having watched a lot of players from different eras; I have always imagined things, like for example, how would Romario play with Riquelme? Ronaldo with Valderrama? Pele with Xavi Hernandez?
One of my favorite Editing features about PES5 and PES6 was the Face Editor. It gave you a lot of freedom, over 100+ hairstyles, over 200+ preset faces, and it even had "special hairstyles" of classic players.
This gave the user enough freedom to create accurate-looking classic players and classic teams; although of course, this was not for everyone... some people prefer to keep it as realistic as possible,
But as a fan of the series myself, one of the things that I liked the most about PES was the freedom it offered to the user; the user could decide to keep it as realistic as possible, but if he wanted he could go down a more fantastic route.
So,
Instead of just asking for the same thing that we had back in the PS2 versions, I am asking for an improvement, and one way of improving in this respect would be to simply include "hidden" classic players with their real names and faces,
EA Sports has already done it with FIFA, a Classic XI Team with players like: Franz Beckembauer, Franco Baresi, Zico, Eric Cantona, Gheorghe Hagi, Hugo Sanchez, and many others.
The negative points with the Classic XI Team that features in FIFA:
1st -- even though they have their real faces and names, like most faces in FIFA10, they don't look very good...
2nd -- the lack of player individuality, classic players do not feel distinctive nor unique,
3rd -- you cannot use classic players in Manager Mode, you can only play Exhibition games,
This would not be a problem with PES,
Because PES offers great player likenesses, decent player individuality, and also gives the user the option of using or not using "classic players" in the Master League Mode.
Thus the hardcore fans of real-life Football, the fans who fantasize about impossible line-ups... they could assemble a Classic XI Team and use it in the Master League Mode -- without -- it feeling generic and cheap,
That's the type of freedom that the PS2 versions of PES offered,
If PES 2011 had "hidden" classic players who looked as good as Messi and the rest of the modern-day stars, that when they have the ball at their feet the commentators will say "Zidane with the ball" or "Baggio with the ball" -- this would give the user a small incentive after winning a title,
Something that PES is currently lacking... you win titles and you win "world player of the year" awards and, what do you get in return?
You win a trophy that has no actual use in-game, or you "unlock" some classic player with a random name, a generic face, and unrealistic stats.
How different would it feel, if after winning a title -- you got to "unlock" a true-to-life representation of Pele?
PES has always featured players with their real faces, even the players of the EPL have their real faces and names (despite Konami not having the EPL License) -- if EA Sports is doing it with FIFA, why can't Konami do the same with their game?
A few "hidden" classic players with their real faces and names -- would be easy to implement and would add something to the overall package of the game.
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2nd Request: Kit Editing,
I have always wanted a couple of new options for Kit Editing, unfortunately, it has not improved, instead, you could argue that it has in fact gotten worse.
Back in the PS2 versions of PES, you could create very accurate uniforms... but there was always one small difference between a genuine konami-made uniform and a user-made uniform,
So instead of just asking for something that we already had in PES5, this request is very simple, new features for kit editing:
* ability or option of placing logos in the socks,
* ability or option of placing logos in the sleeves of the shirt/jersey,
* ability or option of tweaking with the length of the shorts -- making it possible to create accurate representations of classic teams, and also adding a certain element of "team individuality"
* ability or option of tweaking with the size of the shirt/jersey -- this could work individually, that is, the size of the shirt/jersey could be different for every player; thus adding another element of "player individuality"
Although it would not affect the gameplay in any way, this would surely be noted in-game, adding new elements of team individuality and player individuality,
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* Actual Use of this Thread: (reminder)
Since the leap to current-gen consoles I couldn't help but feel disappointed with the lack of improvements in all areas of the game. I still cannot understand how a PS2 game has a better Edit Mode than a PS3 game.
In terms of non-gameplay issues, my main disappointment was with the Face Editor and Kit Editor; instead of improving, it actually got worse.
I would like to know what you think about the classic player request (1st Request) and the kit editor request (2nd Request) -- and -- would appreciate if you could add your own request or suggestion,
Use this thread to make any suggestion or request that has nothing to do with gameplay issues,
Also, if any of you guys are interested in Classic Players -- I want to make this thread as useful as possible, so knowing how Konami works with their photo-realistic faces,
Feel free to post a link (or links) to a picture of the Classic Player that you want to see in PES 2011, the picture is important because that's the face that would make it into the game -- also -- feel free to post the STATS of the classic player,
