real-life examples of football plays

[Amateur]

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* 1st Play: (1:09 -- 2:13)

1st Sequence: (1:09 -- 1:21) Colombia is attacking to the right, a colombian player passes the ball to Valderrama, Valderrama is yet to have his first-touch on the ball,

1st Sequence: (1:09 -- 1:21) the attacker who passed the ball to Valderrama, we will refer to him as attacker-one,

1st Sequence: (1:09 -- 1:21) attacker-one and Valderrama are positioned around the center circle; attacker-one is in the left-half of the pitch, and Valderrama is positioned on the right-half of the pitch,

1st Sequence: (1:09 -- 1:21) the distance between attacker-one and the half-way line is of about 5 feet, and the distance between attacker-one and Valderrama is of approximately 28 feet,

1st Picture: (1:21) pause the video-clip just before Valderrama had his first-touch on the ball, the resulting image should show a space of about 5 feet between the ball and Valderrama,

1st Picture: (1:21) if you can see the imaginary 30 feet circle that surrounds the ball, you will see that at least three defenders have been compromised in the play,

1st Picture: (1:21) attacker-one will be left free from mark because he passed the ball intelligently, and as we know, the defenders will fix their eyes on the trajectory of the ball. It is important to keep an eye on this individual,

1st Picture: (1:21) in this picture, we can also see a second attacker, this attacker is closer to the camera angle, he is positioned on the right side of the pitch; we will refer to him as attacker-two,

1st Picture: (1:21) both Valderrama and attacker-two are positioned on the right half of the pitch,

1st Picture: (1:21) the distance between the half-way line and attacker-two is of about 15 feet, and the distance between attacker-two and Valderrama is of approximately 20 feet,

1st Picture: (1:21) as we can see, by the time Valderrama gets the ball, he will already have, at least, one defender man-marking him very closely,

2nd Sequence: (1:21 -- 1:24) with his first-touch on the ball, Valderrama had to protect the ball from a rushing defender; and by the time he had his second-touch on the ball he was being man-marked by a second defender,

2nd Sequence: (1:21 -- 1:24) the defender who tried to steal the ball away from Valderrama, when Valderrama had his first-touch on the ball, we will refer to him as defender-one,

2nd Sequence: (1:21 -- 1:24) when Valderrama had his second-touch on the ball, a new defender came into focus, we will refer to this defender as defender-two,

2nd Sequence: (1:21 -- 1:24) Valderrama has effectively retained possession of the ball, but he has barely moved from the spot in which he initially received the pass,

2nd Sequence: (1:21 -- 1:24) we can see that the player (attacker-one) who initially passed the ball to Valderrama, never stopped moving, he is now positioned in a more advanced area of the pitch,

2nd Sequence: (1:21 -- 1:24) at this point, the distance between attacker-one and the ball is of approximately 30 feet,

2nd Sequence: (1:21 -- 1:24) we can also see that attacker-two has also moved into a more advanced area of the pitch, he is still positioned on the right side of the pitch, but now the distance between attacker-two and the ball is of approximately 30 feet of distance,

2nd Picture: (1:24) pause the video clip right after Valderrama had his fifth-touch on the ball, before he passed the ball with his sixth-touch on the ball, the resulting image should show Valderrama surrounded by three german opponents,

2nd Picture: (1:24) if you can see the (imaginary) 30 feet circle that surrounds the ball, you will see that there are four individuals inside the imaginary 30 feet radius that surrounds the ball -- this means that the three defenders inside of the circle have been effectively compromised in the play,

2nd Picture: (1:24) none of the compromised defenders is marking the space at this point, instead, we have three defenders man-marking Valderrama,

2nd Picture: (1:24) it is important to take note of how important the positioning of the body is when you are engaged in a "one-versus-one" or "one-versus-three" situation -- the compromised defenders can no longer mark the space, but they can still read BODY LANGUAGE,

2nd Picture: (1:24) notice how Valderrama has opened his body as if to announce "I will pass the ball to my right" -- he is manipulating the movements of the compromised defenders by the use of his dribbling ability,

2nd Picture: (1:24) Valderrama has made it clear that he will pass the ball to the attacker positioned on the right side of the pitch (attacker-two), when he passes the ball, all the compromised defenders will run after the ball,

3rd Sequence: (1:24 -- 1:26) with his sixth-touch on the ball, Valderrama passed the ball to attacker-two (positioned on the right side of the pitch), attacker-two is yet to have his first-touch on the ball,

3rd Sequence: (1:24 -- 1:26) defender-one once again tried to steal the ball away from Valderrama (1:23) this time he tried to intercept the pass but failed in his attempt (1:25); we can see that he is out of the play at (1:26) by the time he got up from the ground, it was already too late,

3rd Sequence: (1:24 -- 1:26) after Valderrama passed the ball to attacker-two, defender-two followed the trajectory of the ball, thus effectively loosing sight of Valderrama; and subsequently, Valderrama proceeded by moving forwards whilst at the same time making himself "invisible" to the eyes of defender-two,

3rd Sequence: (1:24 -- 1:26) attacker-two receives the pass, and with his first-touch on the ball passed the ball (with his left foot) to attacker-one,

3rd Sequence: (1:24 -- 1:26) at this point, the ball is still in the process of reaching the target; in other words, no one has the ball at their feet.

3rd Picture: (1:26) the image should show the ball in the process of traveling from attacker-two to attacker-one, which means that no one has the ball at their feet,

3rd Picture: (1:26) notice how Valderrama is free from mark, he manipulated the movements of the compromised defenders, he knew that the compromised defenders would follow the trajectory of the ball; and as you can see, Valderrama has made himself "invisible" to the eyes of the compromised defensive midfielders, in this case, defender-two

3rd Picture: (1:26) it is important to keep an eye on attacker-two,

3rd Picture: (1:26) it is very important to note that, when attacker-one was just about to have his first-touch on the ball; at this precise moment, a new defender is compromised in the play,

3rd Picture: (1:26) this defender is one of the german center backs, the one on the left -- whom is supposed to be marking attacker-two... We will refer to this new defender as defender-three,

4th Sequence: (1:26 -- 1:28) attacker-one receives the pass, and with his first-touch on the ball, passes the ball to Valderrama,

4th Sequence: (1:26 -- 1:28) Valderrama trapped the ball with his left foot, the distance between the ball and the edge of the penalty box is of approximately 64 feet,

4th Sequence: (1:26 -- 1:28) we can see that attacker-two has spotted the fact that defender-three is unaware of his presence; this produced a reaction, attacker-two has now started running at his full speed in order to exploit that open space,

4th Picture: (1:28) pause the game right when Valderrama had his first-touch on the ball, the resulting image will show Valderrama trapping the ball with his left foot, and his body is positioned as if he's going to pass the ball right through the center of the defense; instead, he passes the ball into the space, with his left foot, without even looking... and attacker-two who had continued his run through the right side of the pitch scored the goal,

1st Play: (1:09 -- 2:13) showed how Valderrama created space, not by running at the defenders, but by the use of intelligent passing of the ball, intelligent movement without the ball, and intelligent movement with the ball at his feet,

1st Play: (1:09 -- 2:13) also showed glimpses of rare player individuality, because Valderrama was equally accurate with either his left foot or his right foot, it was possible to send that deceptive left-footed no-look pass; had it been with his right foot, his intention would've been clear to the eyes of the compromised defenders,

 

[Amateur]

real-life examples of football plays, 2nd example,

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* 2nd Play: (0:00 -- 0:49)

1st Sequence: (0:00 -- 0:07) Cameron (attacking to the left) start from the back, the goalkeeper passes the ball to a defender positioned on the right side of the pitch, and the defender sends a long ball into the opponent's half,

1st Sequence: (0:00 -- 0:07) an attacking player traps the ball deep in the opponent's half, he passes the ball with his first-touch on the ball, he passes the ball with his chest; the pass is directed at Roger Milla,

1st Picture: (0:07) pause the game when the ball is in the process of traveling from attacker-one to Roger Milla, the resulting image will show the ball in mid-air,

1st Picture: (0:07) it is clear that, as soon as Milla has his first-touch on the ball, he will be man-marked by at least one defender,

2nd Sequence: (0:07 -- 0:09) Roger Milla has his first-touch on the ball, with his first-touch he traps the ball with his chest, and then he quickly has a second-touch on the ball with his right foot; we can see that he has been closely man-marked ever since he had his first-touch on the ball,

2nd Sequence: (0:07 -- 0:09) the defender who has been man-marking Milla ever since Milla had his first-touch on the ball, we will call him defender-one,

2nd Sequence: (0:07 -- 0:09) we can see that after passing the ball to Milla, attacker-one continued running forwards; and his movement was superb really; however, if we take a look at Milla, it is easy to notice that Milla did not see the superb movement from attacker-one,

2nd Sequence: (0:07 -- 0:9) Instead, Milla was looking towards the left flank of the pitch, at this point we don't know if any attacker is positioned on the left flank of the pitch; but, by the looks of it, there must be an attacker somewhere in the left flank of the pitch,

2nd Picture: (0:09) pause the game right after Milla had his second-touch on the ball (with his right foot), we can see that Milla is being closely man-marked by defender-one, we can also see attacker-one moving into the space,

3rd Sequence: (0:09 -- 0:13) Milla passes the ball with his fourth-touch on the ball, he passes the ball to that new attacker positioned on the left flank of the pitch; we will refer to this individual as attacker-two,

3rd Sequence: (0:09 -- 0:13) we can see that defender-one followed the trajectory of the ball and forgot about Milla,

3rd Picture: (0:13) pause the game right after attacker-two had his second-touch on the ball,

3rd Picture: (0:13) if you can see the imaginary 10 feet radius that surrounds the ball wherever the ball goes, it is easy to see that we have three individuals inside the imaginary radius; therefore, two defenders have been compromised in the play,

3rd Picture: (0:13) one of these two defenders is defender-one, we will refer to the other defender as defender-two,

3rd Picture: (0:13) we can see that a third defender has also been compromised in the play, the distance between the ball and this third defender is of approximately 15 feet; we will refer to this individual as defender-three,

4th Sequence: (0:13 -- 0:14) with his fifth-touch on the ball, attacker-two passed the ball back to Milla; Milla, with his left foot planted firm on the ground, he used his right foot to trap the ball and then sprinted forwards in one quick motion,

4th Picture: (0:14) pause the game right after Milla had his first-touch on the ball, the resulting image should show Milla sprinting forwards, with defender-three closely following him; at this point, we can see a fourth defender who could potentially stop Milla,

4th Picture: (0:14) as we can appreciate at this point, defender-one and defender-two are effectively out of the play, they can no longer affect the play from their positions,

5th Sequence: (0:14 -- 0:49) with his third-touch on the ball (with his right foot), Milla dribbled past that fourth defender... and with his fourth-touch on the ball, he finished the play with a left-footed goal,

2nd Play: (0:00 -- 0:49) shows the build-up play that was required in order to score the goal, had Milla not passed the ball to the player positioned on the left flank (attacker-two); Milla would've never been free of mark to begin with, and thus, the potential of the situation would've been wasted,

 

[Amateur]

real-life examples of football plays, 3rd example

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* 3rd Play: (1:47 -- 2:20)

1st Sequence: (1:47 -- 1:50) Colombia (attacking to the right) is re-starting from the back, a colombian player passes the ball to Valderrama, whom is positioned around the center circle,

1st Sequence: (1:47 -- 1:50) the colombian player who passed the ball to Valderrama, we will refer to him as attacker-one; the distance between attacker-one and Valderrama is of approximately 30 feet,

1st Sequence (1:47 -- 1:50) by the time Valderrama had his first-touch on the ball, the distance between attacker-one and Valderrama was less

1st Sequence: (1:47 -- 1:50) Valderrama has his first-touch on the ball with his left foot,

1st Picture: (1:50) pause the game as soon as Valderrama has his first-touch on the ball,

1st Picture: (1:50) if you can picture the imaginary 30 feet circle that surrounds the ball, you will see that we have a total of at least two defenders who have been compromised in the play,

1st Picture: (1:50) one of the compromised defenders is positioned right in front of Valderrama, at a distance of about 15 feet between the ball and the defender; this defender is no longer marking the space, we will refer to this defender as defender-one,

1st Picture: (1:50) the other defender who was compromised in the play, this defender cannot man-mark Valderrama from his position; he is positioned on the left flank of the pitch, at a distance of about 17 feet between himself and the ball carrier; we will refer to this defender as defender-two,

1st Picture: (1:50) because both defender-one and defender-two are at a distance of approximately 15 feet between themselves and the ball; we are looking at an almost perfect triangle, composed by the compromised defenders and Valderrama,

1st Picture: (1:50) at this point, we can also see the appearance of a fellow attacker positioned on the left flank of the pitch, we will refer to him as attacker-two,

1st Picture: (1:50) attacker-two is positioned more or less in front of defender-two, but defender-two cannot see him because he is currently looking at the ball; the distance between attacker-two and defender-two is of about 10 feet,

1st Picture: (1:50) attacker-two is keeping himself "invisible" to the eyes of defender-two; even though defender-two cannot man-mark Valderrama, we can see that he is looking at the ball, and therefore we can say that he has been compromised in the play,

1st Picture: (1:50) besides attacker-one and attacker-two; at the moment, we don't have a good idea of whatever may be building-up in other areas of the pitch,

2nd Sequence: (1:50 -- 1:56) with his second-touch on the ball, Valderrama sends a long ground pass (with his right foot) directed at the attacker positioned on the left flank of the pitch (attacker-two),

2nd Sequence: (1:50 -- 1:56) we can see that defender-one and defender-two followed the trajectory of the ball, which left Valderrama free from mark; a total of three defenders ran after the ball and after attacker-two,

2nd Picture: (1:56) pause the game right after attacker-two had his second-touch on the ball, the resulting image will show a very clear example of a "one-versus-one" situation (attacker-two vs defender-two),

2nd Picture: (1:56) at the moment, the camera angle or perspective, is focused on the mentioned "one-versus-one" situation; therefore, at the moment, we cannot appreciate whatever may be building-up in other areas of the pitch,

2nd Picture: (1:56) we do know, however, that Valderrama was left free from mark; thus, he must be lurking somewhere on the pitch... although at the moment, we have no visual contact of his position on the pitch,

3rd Sequence: (1:56 -- 1:59) with his fourth-touch on the ball, attacker-two passed the ball back to Valderrama, Valderrama trapped the ball with his right foot and is now positioned near the edge of the penalty area,

3rd Sequence: (1:56 -- 1:59) the distance between the ball and the edge of the penalty area ("18 yard box"), is of approximately 30 feet,

3rd Picture: (1:59) pause the game right after Valderrama has his first-touch on the ball,

3rd Picture: (1:59) we can see the appearance of a new attacker, this attacker is almost inside of the penalty box, we will refer to this attacker as attacker-three; the distance between attacker-three and the edge of the penalty area is of approximately 5 feet,

3rd Picture: (1:59) we can also see that attacker-one is offering support, attacker-one is positioned to the right hand side of Valderrama, at about 10 feet away from where Valderrama and the ball are positioned,

3rd Picture: (1:59) at this point, we can see that this is a clear goal opportunity, Valderrama has the ball in an advanced area of the pitch and we have two attackers, one just outside the penalty box (attacker-three) and one inside of the penalty area; plus attacker-one, whom is offering support,

3rd Picture: (1:59) therefore, an opposing defender will need to compromise himself; it's not a question of if, it's only a question of who will compromise himself and when he'll compromise himself,

3rd Picture: (1:59) with Valderrama free from mark and positioned near the edge of the area, we can already see that defender-one has started rushing towards Valderrama; thus, defender-one has been effectively compromised once again,

3rd Picture: (1:59) defender-one is right in front of Valderrama, he cannot see what is building-up behind his back, he cannot see where attacker-three is positioned; the only thing he knows at this point, is that someone had to man-mark Valderrama,

3rd Picture: (1:59) from our wide view perspective, we know where attacker-three is positioned, we can see that if defender-one continues man-marking Valderrama regardless of the position of the ball -- he would effectively stop the play from progressing,

3rd Picture: (1:59) however, in real-life football, footballers do not have super-human perception; therefore, defender-one will not move or react in accordance to something that he cannot see; thus the utility of one-two plays,

4th Sequence: (1:59 -- 2:01) once defender-one is close enough, with his second-touch on the ball, Valderrama sends a right-footed pass to attacker-three,

4th Sequence: (1:59 -- 2:01) at the same time this happened, we can also see that defender-one, who was man-marking Valderrama, is now following the trajectory of the ball; effectively loosing sight of Valderrama,

4th Sequence: (1:59 -- 2:01) attacker-three receives the pass, and with his first-touch on the ball passes the ball back to Valderrama, Valderrama has his first-touch on the ball; at this point, the distance between the ball and the edge of the penalty box, is of about 5 feet,

4th Picture: (2:01) pause the game when Valderrama receives the return-pass, at this point, Valderrama has gotten himself into a position where he has compromised the entire defense of Cameroon; thus, effectively creating time and space for attacker-three to exploit,

5th Sequence: (2:01 -- 2:20) Valderrama received the pass (with his right foot) and with his third-touch on the ball he gave a right-footed pass into the space... attacker-three scored the goal,

 

[Sweey]

Three threads for this was unnecessary. Threads merged. Should this even be in Off Topic? Moved. Quite what you're on about here, I just don't know.

 

[Amateur]

Three threads for this was unnecessary. Threads merged. Should this even be in Off Topic? Moved. Quite what you're on about here, I just don't know.

It is very unfinished, and it is part of another post, which explains why you don't see the point of it.

Is it possible to create one-post threads? Like posting the one post and then locking the thread?

I need to do that so that the original post is easy to read and follow, it will only be about 10 examples, and it is juts part of one big feedback that I'm working on,

Though at the moment, as you can see, it is very unfinished and hard to follow and visualize,

But I think it's the proper way to give feedback...

I think PES would change very positively by making some small adjustments, the real-life examples that I'm currently working on focus on these small adjustments and why they need to be in PES or any other current-gen football sim,

I would really appreciate it, if I could have permission to create a couple of one-post threads,

 

[Bammers05]

Three threads for this was unnecessary. Threads merged. Should this even be in Off Topic? Moved. Quite what you're on about here, I just don't know.

You're not the only one, Don. :huh:

 

[Sweey]

It is very unfinished, and it is part of another post, which explains why you don't see the point of it.

Is it possible to create one-post threads? Like posting the one post and then locking the thread?

I need to do that so that the original post is easy to read and follow, it will only be about 10 examples, and it is juts part of one big feedback that I'm working on,

Though at the moment, as you can see, it is very unfinished and hard to follow and visualize,

But I think it's the proper way to give feedback...

I think PES would change very positively by making some small adjustments, the real-life examples that I'm currently working on focus on these small adjustments and why they need to be in PES or any other current-gen football sim,

I would really appreciate it, if I could have permission to create a couple of one-post threads,

If the threads are about entirely different things then yes but a mod/admin has to close it for you and they won't be pinned either.

You do realise you're going to a hell of a lot of effort for nothing don't you? Konami won't read it - you'd be better off emailing it all to them.

I believe there's a limit on post lengths so you'd need to make x number of posts in one thread, have a mod/admin merge them as far as possible and then close the thread.

Seriously, a ton of effort for nothing.

 

[Amateur]

If the threads are about entirely different things then yes but a mod/admin has to close it for you and they won't be pinned either.

You do realise you're going to a hell of a lot of effort for nothing don't you? Konami won't read it - you'd be better off emailing it all to them.

I believe there's a limit on post lengths so you'd need to make x number of posts in one thread, have a mod/admin merge them as far as possible and then close the thread.

Seriously, a ton of effort for nothing.

Yeah, you're probably right,

But it´s cool,

I think I will just post these examples on one of them "live journal" sites, and I will just post a link... and I think I will just use one example, because it's not really necessary to post so many examples.

I think after watching the 1st example, which is a lot more clearer and accurate than any of the examples that I've posted so far; I think the people who do bother reading it will understand the point of it and why it happened, and will see why the same exact thing happens in so many other video-clips,

I'll probably just post one very detailed example, and then will I'll just post the rest of the video-clips, in order to show that same repetitive and predictable reaction...

It is very likely that Konami will not even read it,

But this way, if PES 2011 turns out to be shit, I can always say that I took the time to highlight the KEY reason for the lack of progress... Not with my own words, but with actual video evidence supporting my points -- this is precisely what sites like WENB and PESGaming should be doing,

WENB -- hypes the game as much as they can, but they never criticize the game neither constructively nor objectively, we cannot expect any serious improvements when we don't bother giving serious feedback,

When you do try to give serious feedback, the guys at WENB will respond by saying "it's only a video game" -- as if what you are saying was anything complicated or hard to follow,

However, if it's only a video game... as they say, how come they have posted over 100 Podcast Sections? Over 100 HOURS talking about the same pointless and biased rubbish?

I believe what I'm trying to do would be much more productive, as it would show actual real-life footage, and then I will compare the real-life footage with PES 2010.

I mean, unlike most fan-boys at WENB, I'm not talking about my opinion, I'm just talking about FACTS... Which is something that seems to be lacking in all PES sites,

Anyways,

I appreciate the fact that you responded to my post,

 

[Ultimate777]

You like Rafa Benetiz. ''I'm talking about fachts!'' Good effort I can see what your trying to do but there is too much min by min sequences which you've quoted. What I'd try to do is limit the examples, condense them a little so its a lot more easy on the eye, with a summary at the bottom of where you think the examples are needed to be emphasised in the actual game. Because no one is going to be bothered to read all that while switching to youtube clip every second to double check every sample you've posted. At least not konami lol.

 

[Amateur]

You like Rafa Benetiz. ''I'm talking about fachts!'' Good effort I can see what your trying to do but there is too much min by min sequences which you've quoted. What I'd try to do is limit the examples, condense them a little so its a lot more easy on the eye, with a summary at the bottom of where you think the examples are needed to be emphasised in the actual game. Because no one is going to be bothered to read all that while switching to youtube clip every second to double check every sample you've posted. At least not konami lol.

I do know that the examples I have posted so far are very hard to follow... because you need to visualize the position of the ball, etc, etc. It's not very easy to describe with words.

However, I have some other examples that are very easy to read. I must say that, the real problem with the game does not has to do with the 10 Minute Concept... because the current concept that both PES and FIFA use, is not good enough for 10 minute matches.

I am not saying that I would not like to play a 20 Minute Sim in the future; however, I do admit that I was wrong in thinking that the 10 Minute Concept (as I like to call it) was the key reason for the lack of progress.

The Football Genre can still improve a LOT under the 10 Minute Deadline. I know this now because I have taken a closer look at full match highlights, and it shows that it is in fact possible to play realistic football in just 10 minutes of play.

In fact, like I said, the current concept is just not good enough... not even for a 10 minute game. I have seen that it is possible to play a pretty realistic game of football in just 10 minutes of play. This examples where just a start.

 

[st. louis]

I agree with you 100%.

Load up any two teams in exhibition and have the computer play against itself. As you watch the screen, don't even try to tell me that it is any resemblance to a real game of soccer.

I could personally care less about graphics in general but the game doesn't even begin to attempt to mimic the overall player movements of real players. When the computer attempts to dribble with any player, it is in a straight line at full speed. There is no attempt to vary pace or change direction.

I really thought next gen games would make huge strides in this and yet I think they may have gone backwards.

 

[Amateur]

I agree with you 100%.

Load up any two teams in exhibition and have the computer play against itself. As you watch the screen, don't even try to tell me that it is any resemblance to a real game of soccer.

I could personally care less about graphics in general but the game doesn't even begin to attempt to mimic the overall player movements of real players. When the computer attempts to dribble with any player, it is in a straight line at full speed. There is no attempt to vary pace or change direction.

I really thought next gen games would make huge strides in this and yet I think they may have gone backwards.

Fully agree...

This is just because we are talking about money-hungry companies.

PES 2011 will offer ''total control'' over passing the ball... they are saying things about massive improvements, etc, etc; however, PES 2011 will only offer obvious improvements, and in my opinion, it is nothing revolutionary.

In PES 2010: the direction in which you RUN with the ball, the weight of the pass, the direction of the pass, and even dribbling tricks like the Roulette -- are all attached to the left analogue stick... can the left analogue stick take care of so many different and unrelated things?

No, and you can see that in PES 2010.

PES 2011 will now offer a ''power bar'' for passing the ball, therefore the left analogue stick will determine the direction of the pass, whereas on the other hand the ''power bar'' will now determine the weight of the pass: thus giving the user ''total control'' over passing, because we now have two individual controls, one for determining the direction, the other for determining the weight of the pass.

An OBVIOUS improvement, nothing revolutionary, Konami and EA Sports are drip-feeding us with small improvements year after year; and hyping obvious improvements as if they were revolutionary...

Why the fuck have we not seen the same old ''power bar'' concept used for dribbling with the ball?? Expect this with PES 2012, ''total control'' when you dribble with the ball.

In PES and FIFA, dribbling with the ball and running with the ball are merged into one; therefore, you never actually do any dribbling with the ball, you can only run with the ball and use your imagination to make it feel as though you are actually dribbling with the ball. It's just an illusion.

By applying the ''power bar'' concept to dribbling: one control to determine the direction in which we RUN with the ball and another control to determine the direction in which we DRIBBLE with the ball... Dribbling and running are very different things, applying the ''power bar'' concept to dribbling would be a massive improvement but it would not fix the ROOT of the problem.

It's all down to the ROOT of the problem, which is very simple: the players on the pitch do not react realistically to the position of the ball. How can you play football when the players on the pitch are unaffected by the position of the ball?

PES and FIFA revolve around either running with the ball or running after the ball carrier, it has nothing to do with actually playing football.