steven gerrard

[scouse_paul]

can any1 have a go at makin gerrard? just that the default face tats spose to be him looks nowt like him!! appearence, stats, boots etc!! cheers

 

[guitar_god92]

he does need well updated stats as hes the best midfielder in the prem apart from Scholes

 

[mutu7]

are these good enough for you

and lampard should be included in the best midfielder bracket

 

[guitar_god92]

yip those stats are pretty good and yes you're right, Lampard also up there with the best of them

 

[Ports7]

"he does need well updated stats as hes the best midfielder in the prem apart from Scholes"

Umm what you smokin bud?

I'm HOPING you were just momentarily forgetting that Lampard, Pires, and Vieira all happen to play in the Prem as well. And I'd take any of them over Scholes. As would any good, neutral judge of talent.

 

[guitar_god92]

am smokin crack, LSD, lots of stuff a shouldnae b. (p.s am actually not)

Scholes has been the best midfielder in the Prem for years and dont give us this "what are you smokin" Lampard has been the best this season, I'll give you that, and Gerrard has been amazing this season as well. But if you'll remember, Gerrard had a disappointing season last season. And as for the Arsenal pair, have you ever seen a bigger diver (apart from the Porto team ) than Pires?

 

[highlordtrev]

are these good enough for you

and lampard should be included in the best midfielder bracket

Mutu7's stats for Gerrard seem pretty decent, 'cept for one thing; I think you've got the Aggression stat wrong - Aggression in Pro Ev doesn't have anything to do with tackling, etc., it's to do with how often the player will get forward. (There's a thread about this in the forum somewhere; if an administrator reads this, maybe they could put a link up?)

An way to illustrate this is with a couple examples: the way Mutu7's interpreting Aggression, Roy Keane, Patrick Viera and Gennaro Gattuso would have high 90's. They don't. If they did have high Aggression stats (like Roberto Carlos and Inzaghi do in PES3, for example) they'd be constantly out of position, getting forward every two seconds.

Admittedly, Gerrard does get forward the most out of the midfielders mentioned above, but still, I'm pretty sure Mutu7 gave him 95 Aggression thinking it was tackling/determination/ related.

 

[mutu]

It's how often they try to go round/past a player when they have the ball as opposed to passing to someone else

 

[highlordtrev]

I'm HOPING you were just momentarily forgetting that Lampard, Pires, and
Vieira all happen to play in the Prem as well. And I'd take any of them over Scholes. As would any good, neutral judge of talent.[/QUOTE]



It's a tough one, but I'd take Scholes over Pires. And I'd definitely take Scholes over Lampard. One good (great, in fact) season does not make him a brilliant player - Scholes has been consistently effective for the best part of a decade.

Viera is class. However, I would have to say that Gerrard has been a better player for me this season. Also, I think Gerrard has aspects to his game that Viera is missing - primarily, the long range passing and shooting. If Gerrard were in a better side (Arsenal, for example. Or Man Utd) he'd have been Player of the Year. If he remains free of injury, Euro 2004 could be the tournament which really elevates him to Keane/Viera level in the world's eyes.

I'm a Milan fan, by the way, so that makes me pretty much neutral. And I'd like to think I'm a pretty good judge of talent, too.

 

[highlordtrev]

It's how often they try to go round/past a player when they have the ball as opposed to passing to someone else

Not sure about that. What you're saying is, Aggression only comes into effect when the Playstation is controlling the player? (Because, of course, if I'm controlling him, I'm the one who decides if he'll pass or dribble . . . )

That doesn't seem right to me; it makes Aggression a pointless, irrelevant stat.

 

[mutu]

It makes it relevant to the computer controlled players so that they act more realisticly

 

[Zygalski]

Aggression in Pro Ev doesn't have anything to do with tackling, etc., it's to do with how often the player will get forward. (There's a thread about this in the forum somewhere; if an administrator reads this, maybe they could put a link up?)

Aggression is one of those iffy areas.
If you click on the Search button on the top of the screen and type in Aggression you will find all the threads about the subject and then you can find the relevent thread by adding more to your search. Admin don't sit about waiting to do these kinds of things for you.
That's what the Search function is for. So please use it.

Maybe someone should start a thread which contains detailed explanation of all the player stats in the game so there is a point of reference for everyone.

 

[mutu]

Maybe someone should start a thread which contains detailed explanation of all the player stats in the game so there is a point of reference for everyone.

I'm sure there already is one - you could definately find it on the web if not.
You're being rather iffy about voicing your opinion though Zyg - what do you think it is?
It's definately not about tackling as he said I'm pretty sure it's running at people and the goalkeeper coming out, for example Barthez's aggression would be waaaay up high

 

[mutu7]

I'm pretty sure Mutu7 gave him 95 Aggression thinking it was tackling/determination/ related.

just so you know i didnt make these stats, its an option file that i have

arsenal666's one in fact, download it, its very good

 

[Ports7]

"One good season does not make him a brilliant player - Scholes has been consistently effective for the best part of a decade.

Viera is class. However, I would have to say that Gerrard has been a better player for me this season."

Don't contradict yourself or anything.

I can see how some would put Gerrard at about even with Vieira, but I think if you'd take Scholes over Pires you must be out of your mind. Pires scores more goals, creates more goals, has good pace, is one of the best in the world in beating opponents on the dribble (Scholes' dribbling pales in comparison) and is about as creative as players get. He can operate effectively anywhere in midfield. His only weakness is (like Henry) in the air. Late runs into the box may be Scholes' specialty, but Pires is just as good in his timing and positioning.

 

[GE]

Them stats are great, thanks

 

[scouse_paul]

if anyone could send a pic of what he looks like with this config that woulfd be great. oh and he's been best player for lfc for past 3/4 seasons, i feel sorry for him. watch him go come euro 2004 all the doubters

 

[highlordtrev]

"One good season does not make him a brilliant player - Scholes has been consistently effective for the best part of a decade.

Viera is class. However, I would have to say that Gerrard has been a better player for me this season."

Don't contradict yourself or anything.

If what you mean to say is that both those statements contradict each other, you're incorrect. I said Lampard's one good season doesn't make him a brilliant player. That's true, as far as I'm concerned. Then, I said that Viera is 'class', but that Gerrard has had a better season than him. For me (and for a huge number of fans, pundits, footballers, managers etc.) that's true, too. Viera has still achieved more, has still been playing at an incredible level for a longer time, etc. Gerrard's just been more effective than him - this year.

And I still stand by what I said about Scholes. For the uninitiated, it would seem like Robert Pires is the greatest midfielder that ever lived after reading your post - and that Paul Scholes was (relatively, at least) a nothing player. Yes, Pires is a great player - but so is Scholes. You say Pires scores more goals . . . that might be true (if you looked at their career totals I don't necessarily think it is) . . . however, true or not, they've still both got excellent goalscroing ratios (it's not often you see midfielders breaking the 20 goal mark - both have done that recently). It's splitting hairs to say one's a better goalscorer than the other, though. If there's a few goals in the difference, what does that prove? It's easy to list off things each player is good at, and say the other isn't - Scholes is a better striker of a ball, Pires is faster, Scholes can't tackle (neither can Pires, actually) . . . see what I mean, though? (Oh, and they've both got their unflattering sides - Scholes is rash and a bit temperamental, while Pires likes a dive or two.) You'd be here forever saying that type thing, though. I'm not going to get into that. I'm not a Man U fan, while your reply smacked of a Gunners fan smarting because someone preferred Scholes (as a lot of managers worldwide would) over his precious Pires.

Oh, and did you hear Santini this week? He said the one England player his France side feared clicking on Sunday was Paul Scholes.

 

[adams9802]

Scholes is ok but for the last few years Pires has been hands down the best offensive goalscoring mifielder in the Prem.I don't know why everyone is afraid of scholes he's good and he'll punish you if you leave him alone but so would Gerrard and Lampard..and Becks for that matter

 

[TeePeeJay]

Pires and Scholes are *COMPLETELY* different players... Scholes is a grafting centre midfielder with an attacking streak, whilst Pires is a wide player who likes to cut inside taking on players, much like David Ginola... There's no point in comparing the two of them when they play with completely different styles