I am playing pes2012 and for the past 2 years Ive been asking why they constantly mess a good thing up. For me, and a lot of other pes players, I feel they repeatedly take 5 good changes then mess 10 things up.
I feel that pes6 was the most arcade-y in the sense that it was the most open and fluent and didnt account a lot for tactics but in a good way.
I feel that speed and dribbling on pes2010 is repetitive after playing 11 seasons in ML but its the best of all the Pro's Ive played as a tiny touch this and that way can set your player free or atleast get round the defender in a realistic way that a speedster would. Also the shooting is probably the best in my opinion of all the Pro's Ive played.
The long, short passing, the graphics and the animations of pes2011 are outstanding, Ive always felt FIFA hasnt mastered manual based passing but pes2011 was a joy to pass it around and it very rarely messed up.
The defending in pes2012 is quite smart and after playing FIFA12 around a friends house I realize that PES2012 defending was like FIFA's but it allowed you to fully pressure aswell as having FIFA's timed tackle type system.
The problem with PES is that every year they ruin some of the good parts and fix some of the bad parts so the game never really makes progress.
For me if you play 10 games on PES 5 games will make you rage and rate it a 2/10 and the other 5 are bliss and make you feel like the game is a 10/10, ok not every team will brush everyone aside but the consistency is overly realistic to the point of almost disc snapping.
The alternative is just as bad in the consistency where 10 games of FIFA are all 3s to 7s out of 10. There is just less joy of scoring a goal in FIFA, mainly because Pro's shortcomings make you work harder than FIFAs do.
If they take the openness of PES6 the speed, dribbling and shooting of pes2010 the passing, graphics and animations of pes2011 and the defending of pes2012 then they have a brilliant game.
ML is what I mainly use pro for and the changes are good but pes2012's is shocking compared to 2011 and before. I hate the training because the it doesnt allow the freedom of last pro's training system and players moan if I keep the 1 type of training I like, which is technique because all I really want to increase is technique and speed and that type doesnt decrease speed but increases technique.
The constant changes to PES ML annoys me because they increase depth but get add or get rid of a good area. I feel ML in PES2013 they need to make sure:
Either they keep the system of being able to see the stats straight away or have the 2011 system of scouting a player for a few week before finding everything out.
Keep 2012's system of communication and each separate day rather than week by week.
They need to increase the size of the favorites lists and bring back the different ways a scout could search such as youth or tactical fit.
They need to bring back setting up friendlies like in PES6.
They need to keep the structure of the transfer window that they have now where there is one at the beginning the middle and the end of the season.
The scout cut scene in PES2012 is nice where he explains the tactics of the next team and their form and star players.
Also fix the negotiations because Im getting annoyed of only being given about 10% to negotiate before they say no, I mean no world class team can afford to play 5 players 20 mill a season and not go bankrupt.
Bring back the ability to offer players in trades and negotiations.
Add the ability to negotiate contracts earlier that at the end of the contract where you are held for ransom or they leave.
Also I dont know if this is just me or if everyone has this problem but every ML save file I start, all my money is taken at the end of the season even if Ive paid the wage and Im in a bomb of debt at the start of the next season so far Ive had to start 3 season again and again because I start the next season with no good players even if Ettori and Shimzu are my only players above 100k wage.
TL;DR Im getting pissed at Pro Evo's consistency at being inconsistent and it is beginning to push me closer and closer to FIFA which isnt as good but is less rage moment filled.
I feel that pes6 was the most arcade-y in the sense that it was the most open and fluent and didnt account a lot for tactics but in a good way.
I feel that speed and dribbling on pes2010 is repetitive after playing 11 seasons in ML but its the best of all the Pro's Ive played as a tiny touch this and that way can set your player free or atleast get round the defender in a realistic way that a speedster would. Also the shooting is probably the best in my opinion of all the Pro's Ive played.
The long, short passing, the graphics and the animations of pes2011 are outstanding, Ive always felt FIFA hasnt mastered manual based passing but pes2011 was a joy to pass it around and it very rarely messed up.
The defending in pes2012 is quite smart and after playing FIFA12 around a friends house I realize that PES2012 defending was like FIFA's but it allowed you to fully pressure aswell as having FIFA's timed tackle type system.
The problem with PES is that every year they ruin some of the good parts and fix some of the bad parts so the game never really makes progress.
For me if you play 10 games on PES 5 games will make you rage and rate it a 2/10 and the other 5 are bliss and make you feel like the game is a 10/10, ok not every team will brush everyone aside but the consistency is overly realistic to the point of almost disc snapping.
The alternative is just as bad in the consistency where 10 games of FIFA are all 3s to 7s out of 10. There is just less joy of scoring a goal in FIFA, mainly because Pro's shortcomings make you work harder than FIFAs do.
If they take the openness of PES6 the speed, dribbling and shooting of pes2010 the passing, graphics and animations of pes2011 and the defending of pes2012 then they have a brilliant game.
ML is what I mainly use pro for and the changes are good but pes2012's is shocking compared to 2011 and before. I hate the training because the it doesnt allow the freedom of last pro's training system and players moan if I keep the 1 type of training I like, which is technique because all I really want to increase is technique and speed and that type doesnt decrease speed but increases technique.
The constant changes to PES ML annoys me because they increase depth but get add or get rid of a good area. I feel ML in PES2013 they need to make sure:
Either they keep the system of being able to see the stats straight away or have the 2011 system of scouting a player for a few week before finding everything out.
Keep 2012's system of communication and each separate day rather than week by week.
They need to increase the size of the favorites lists and bring back the different ways a scout could search such as youth or tactical fit.
They need to bring back setting up friendlies like in PES6.
They need to keep the structure of the transfer window that they have now where there is one at the beginning the middle and the end of the season.
The scout cut scene in PES2012 is nice where he explains the tactics of the next team and their form and star players.
Also fix the negotiations because Im getting annoyed of only being given about 10% to negotiate before they say no, I mean no world class team can afford to play 5 players 20 mill a season and not go bankrupt.
Bring back the ability to offer players in trades and negotiations.
Add the ability to negotiate contracts earlier that at the end of the contract where you are held for ransom or they leave.
Also I dont know if this is just me or if everyone has this problem but every ML save file I start, all my money is taken at the end of the season even if Ive paid the wage and Im in a bomb of debt at the start of the next season so far Ive had to start 3 season again and again because I start the next season with no good players even if Ettori and Shimzu are my only players above 100k wage.
TL;DR Im getting pissed at Pro Evo's consistency at being inconsistent and it is beginning to push me closer and closer to FIFA which isnt as good but is less rage moment filled.