Wrasslin' Games

[Jonno394]

• WCW vs NWO: World Tour
• WCW vs NWO: Revenge
• WWF Wrestlemania 2000
• WWF No Mercy
• Virtual Pro Wrestling1
• Virtual Pro Wrestling 2

Why are modern wrestling titles so shite? I mean, you have to delve all the way back to 2000 when WWF No Mercy came out to actually find an exceptional title.

The series of games that Aki and Asmik Ace created and released for the N64 are far and away superior to any title that has come since, heck, even Def Jam Vendetta, which was created too by Aki, is superor to any modern title, but still pales in comparison to its predecessors.

Why the hell, in 8 years, has no-one been able to recreate the system that was in No Mercy. In 8 years, the Create A Wrestler mode it featured has not been bettered and the quality of gamplay involved has been nowehere near matched.

The N64 titles need to be released on the Virtual Console for the Wii as soon as possible. I have heard rumours that No Mercy is being planned for it, with new content including a few new wrestlers, but nothing has come of that.

These titles need to be rereleased just to show the gamers of today how poor their wrestling titles are. These games were so great, and are still extremely playable even today in the age of nex gen faggot visuals.

Visuals and production values mean nothing when you can have memories forever ingrained in your mind. Such monumentous events as:

1) Who can TKO Eric Bischoff in the quickest time on revenge; I think we got it down to about 7 seconds

2) Performing La Parkas and Rowdy Roddy Pipers dances as more or less everyone

3) Hoping to heaven that you didn't enter the battle royal as Ming or Kim Che

4) The Ladder match where Rich really wanted to Swanton off the top of one, and after setting up the ladders immaculately, I dove out the ring and knocked them all off just when he was about to.

These few are among others that I don't have time to type up, i'm sure Barn can think of a lot more things we did with these titles during out youth!

In fact, Barn, get your N64 out of the attic or wherever you've dumped it. We're playing No Mercy on saturday. Dudley Boys Vs whoever, 3d's through all tables and a running 3D in teh backstage hallway.

For a look at all the N64 titles, wtach this. Ignore the faggots voice and what he says. I cannot believe he insults the wrestlers available in REVENGE. I think he's a lightweight ninja style wrestling faggot.

edit 1 - Oh shit, i'm still getting pissed off by this fag. He doesn't want to play as Piper.

edit 2 -In fact, don't watch this video if you want to be pissed off; he hates WCW and thinks revenge is the worst of the titles. COCK.

edit 3 - Fuck it, got to No Mercy and decided i'm removing this video.

 

[BarnDoor]

Summed up beautifully, but you forgot such classic moments as:

1) Knocking out Dusty Rhodes with Rick Rude's trusty left jab in Revenge

2) In Revenge's Battle Royal, both knocking yourself out at the same time when you know one would be Goldberg, and the other would be Jim Neidhart.

3) Throwing someone into the Superbrawl entrance and then waiting for them to run back whilst you meet them with a clothesline or something similarly death-dealing.

4) The ring-ramp in VPW2. It just gave each match a new dynamic. I'll never forget the time my brother was in the last two in a battle royal and I did a jump spinning kick into the ring, from the ramp, and sent him right over.

5) Editing your guys in game and seeing the changes in the opening video.

6) The first time you get to fight Curt Hennig in Revenge, and you see him coming out with Rick Rude. For someone who didn't know much about WCW back then, this was pretty fucking special.

7) Nailing the 3D through a table for the first time in No Mercy. Virtually impossible without the third guy co-operating, but just gold.

8) The first time I encountered the create-a-wrestler mode in Wrestlemania 2000. I was blown away.

9) Picking Hakushi in World Tour and missing one of his acrobatic dives out of the ring.

And there are so many more I'm sure, this game was full of cracking moments. It didn't matter if No Mercy was technically the best title - you could still go back and play Revenge for the WCW feel, or VPW2 for the wrestlers and the ring-ramp.

It was pretty much World Tour that helped get me back into wrestling properly, and definitely WCW. I just had so many happy times with these games, I can't put it into words. I'd happily spend 75 quid on Virtua Pro and feel it money well spent. I'd love to see them animate Cena's taunts in a new version, it would be fantastic. But really, the Legends of Wrestlemania game was heaven-sent for AKI. That easily would have been the greatest game of all time.

 

[Jonno394]

Summed up beautifully, but you forgot such classic moments as:

2) In Revenge's Battle Royal, both knocking yourself out at the same time when you know one would be Goldberg, and the other would be Jim Neidhart.

7) Nailing the 3D through a table for the first time in No Mercy. Virtually impossible without the third guy co-operating, but just gold.

The tense moments of Battle royales where you both waited to see who the hell was who when the guys entered the ring were awesome.

I remember in No Mercy when you and your bro were basically 3d'ing me in every area, and you wanted to do one in the hallway and I got pissed off and decided enough was enough so I charged at you with a fire extingusher thinking i'd hit you, but you 3d'd me anyway.

Magical

 

[Bish]

Yeah, Revenge for me. I bought that game when i didn't know much about WCW, then seeing all those wrestlers, all those big names and the joy of a 60 man Battle Royal. Like I've said before, I will get an N64 one day just so i can play on that again.

I don't know much about Virtual Pro Wrestling.

 

[BarnDoor]

VPW were the Japanese games, with licence for All Japan and then made up names for guys from other Puro feds (New Japan, FMW, MMA feds, etc.). The first game came out after World Tour, and was largely the same. The second one came out between Wrestlemania 2000 and No Mercy, and really marked a progression. It featured, for the first time, the running grapples and super heavyweight animations that would be in No Mercy. And you had really great stuff like Muta's mist, which would change colour and he could use it in many different situations to counter a move. And it had a create a mask mode. Plus that ring ramp was an incredible feature.

 

[fick]

Barn, was No Mercy on the N64, where you created a jobber + had changeable/layered outfits?

Only had one wrestling title during the short time I owned a 64... vividly remember some pants with flames on the bottom... always fancied a pair in real life... :faceplm:

 

[BarnDoor]

It was on the N64 mate.

 

[fick]

Was the last decent wrestling game I can remember playing. If memory serves, the difficulty level was a bitch & the shite N64 controller didn't help.

 

[BarnDoor]

It was the last decent wrestling game full stop. Plus the N64 controller was great daft cunt, and perfect for these games.

 

[fick]

It was the last decent wrestling game full stop. Plus the N64 controller was great daft cunt, and perfect for these games.

Had a PSone at the same time. Guess I just preferred the controller...

Back to the topic wrestling games my verbose amigo, I saw an 3d isometric game for the PS2 reviewed earlier this year. It had probably the biggest roster of jobbers + the ability to create many more. Think it was only asian release, but looked intersting. Any ideas what it was? Got a feeling it won't be PS3 compatable, but If I know what it's called I can check...

 

[BarnDoor]

Might be Wrestle Kingdom II or King of Coliseum?

 

[Bish]

Had a PSone at the same time. Guess I just preferred the controller...

Back to the topic wrestling games my verbose amigo, I saw an 3d isometric game for the PS2 reviewed earlier this year. It had probably the biggest roster of jobbers + the ability to create many more. Think it was only asian release, but looked intersting. Any ideas what it was? Got a feeling it won't be PS3 compatable, but If I know what it's called I can check...

Could be FirePro Wrestling. I have that for ps2.

EDIT Scrub that if it was reviewed this year.

 

[fick]

Could be FirePro Wrestling. I have that for ps2.

EDIT Scrub that if it was reviewed this year.

Nice one Bish, Fire Pro Wrestling Returns was the puppy in question. Just checked & recognised the box art. Only released in Italy in 2008!!!

Not sure on compatability still... will have to do a little homework...

Edit:

 

[Bish]

Nice one Bish, Fire Pro Wrestling Returns was the puppy in question. Just checked & recognised the box art. Only released in Italy in 2008!!!

Not sure on compatability still... will have to do a little homework...

Edit:

If you order it from Italy it will work, thats where i got it from.

 

[fick]

If you order it from Italy it will work, thats where i got it from.

It's whether it works on PS3 that I'm not sure about. Haven't checked the PS3 compatability list yet, but doubt it'll show on there anyway. Don't think they have updated it in a while.

 

[Winger]

Fire Pro Wresting Returns works on my mates (first batch) 60GB (PAL) PS3. I still have my PS2, mind, so I play it on that. I don't think it would work on my PS3 as it's the newer 80GB model, and I think backwards compatability was removed.

The Max Drive turns FPWR into a stunning little game, with all the downloadable content from the Fire Pro Community. My only gripe with the game is the seeming lack of a playable career mode.

My favorite wrestling game of all time is a toss up between WWF No Mercy on the N64, and Pro Wrestling on the Nes. Starman to take the title, with a somersault kick! The coolest guy to wear pink, ever, well, other than Anderson Silva. Man, I played the hell out of that game when I was a kid. I wish I'd tried WCW/NWO Revenge. I'm gutted that I missed out on it.

**EDIT**

WCW Backstage Assault
WCW Mayhem
WCW Nitro
WCW vs. NWO - World Tour
WCW-NWO Revenge

WWF Attitude
WWF No Mercy
WWF War Zone
WWF WrestleMania 2000

I think that's the bulk of the WCW and WWF wrestling games from the N64 and Playstation era.

I owned Attitude and War Zone, on the Playstation. And I rented WCW Mayhem, as well as Backstage Assault, quite often, again on Playstation. I remember renting Nitro a few times, too, again on Playstation. And I owned WCW/NWO Thunder, on Playstation. For the N64 the only title I owned and played was No Mercy.

I liked War Zone, and Attitude, simply because they were much improved on the previous two WWF wrestling games, Wrestlemania: The Arcade Game, and In Your House. Those two games were awful, they weren't wrestling games, they were more like WWF does Mortal Kombat, badly. So in that regard War Zone was a vast improvement, and Attitude tweaked it further, bringing a bigger roster, more modes, and better annimations. But in the grand scheme of things War Zone, and Attitude, don't hold up too well, neither game is anywhere near the quality of No Mercy, nor the original two Smackdown titles, which I still rate as being quite good.

WCW Mayhem was an awful game. And Backstage Assault was even worse! Two of the worst wrestling games to ever see the light of day. WCW/NWO Thunder was slightly better, in my opinion, but it was still a weak offering.

I'm going to see if I can get my hands on WWF Wrestlemania 2000, WCW/NWO Revenge, and WCW/NWO World Tour, for the N64, because everyone rates them highly, and I'd like to have a bash at 'em, because they're probably still better than any version of Smackdown vs Raw.

 

[Dundon's]

Reading this thread really does roll back the years. Barn had mentioned them releasing No Mercy for the wii there a while back and I tried to find as much info as I could on it. From what I've heard it's going to be a WAD and not a VC game which is excellent news, this means they are actully editing it and not just releasing an exact copy of the original.

There's also talks it's going to be called No Mercy 2 and will feature new updated rosters, lets just hope they don't mess around too much and concentrate more on improving the graphics.

If anyone hears or sees anything in relation to this game or when it's released please PM me.

 

[Joel]

If this is for real, then they don't have to change the engine of the game at all. Just enhance the graphics and update the roster. Obviously add a new storymode, but even without a storymode, the game would be brilliant, as it's fun to play and not repetative.

 

[fick]

Fire Pro Wresting Returns works on my mates (first batch) 60GB (PAL) PS3.

Thanks mate. Mines an original release 60GB (bought on day 1 at about 12:30am!!), time for a browse to find an Italian copy then!

 

[BarnDoor]

This No Mercy 2 thing is a rumour, and very much just that - and its been going around almost a year. I don't hold out much hope to be honest, and neither should the rest of you.