PES6 vs PES09, wich one is better??

The Title says it all really, I want to use this Thread Specifically to discuss Why some people (like myself) consider PES6 a superior game to PES09, and Why others prefer PES09.

It has already been discussed mildly in other threads, but in most occasions it was off-topic, so here is a Thread that we can use to compare Old versions with the New PES.

Here's what I think about PES09 after giving it a good run. For the first few weeks it gave me the impression of the Older versions, I was sure the game would grow on me eventually, but unfortunately I'm still waiting for that.

And just the other day I decided to play PES6, just to see if I was being a little Biased towards PES09, just to see if I had indeed grown to Old for the same Old Gameplay.

Needless to say, I was supposed to play one or two games of PES6, but I ended up playing it for about 2 hours straight. This for me is Undeniable Evidence of the Reality, PES6 is better than PES09.

As a former Football Player and PES addict, I consider PES6 a superior game, it gave me more things to master. Simple and Subtle details, but I had to Master them, and they where Time consuming, wich meant that I was always doing something Different. Mastering different aspects of my game.

After playing PES6 for awhile you master certain "details" of the game; How if you pass the ball and release all the buttons -the- ball will go even faster to the receptor. How When you have the ball at your feet, and you move without pressing the R1 button, you "Shield" the ball better.

Wich consequently, because you cannot press the R1 button whilst also Shielding the ball at the same time, it gave the game a great Touch of Realism. It is Details like this that gave great "Replay Value" to PES6.

How I had to master Defending, where I had to "Manually" accommodate my CB whilst at the same time pressing the "closing down" button. Or how the controls where easy-to-use and yet effective, much better than the New Controls.

Or How seemingly Useless Dribbling Tricks have an Actual use in some particular situations. Something that again, you had to master, and took Time to master.

When you go from PES6 to PES09, and from PES09 to PES6 -you- start to notice the Important differences.

How people say that PES09 haves "better AI" is completely Contradictory, considering How good the Attacking AI is and how poor the Defensive AI is.

Simply put, there is No Defensive Play in PES09. The only thing we can do is run after the ball like mindless knoobs, tackle, and try to use the "closing down" button. Ultimately winning possession with ease, without even Thinking at all, it's all pretty straightforward and boring.

Plus, the Com now decides to pull off outrageous Tackles randomly. Sometimes it results in a Penalty, sometimes it doesn't, but one thing's for sure, We have nothing to do with it. There is a way of avoiding this however, but the mere fact that the Com Dictates everything from Positioning to Tackling is just too much.

I'd much rather have the Old Defensive Play where I could "manually" accommodate my Sweeper whilst at the same time "closing down" my opponents with Other players. At least this was something we could master, and it was actually fun if you got the hang of it.

It used to be straightforward but fun, Now it's even more straightforward but boring.

The only thing I found "better" in PES09 where the Long Balls, much improved now, in fact too much. How many Goals have I already scored out of an inch-perfect Long Through Ball?? I've lost count.

The other thing that has improved are the Graphics obviously, great improvement in the graphics, nothing to moan about here.

But where PES09 feels "Scripted" and Automatic and Numb, PES6 gives you subtle and simple things to Master. How well you mastered each small detail often decided the difference between winning and loosing.

It is time consuming details alike that gave way to One Addictive Football Title. It's such a shame to see How a Series that had huge Potential, is slowly going mainstream and loosing its appeal. Just another Business.
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If you beg to differ, or just want to share your opinion on this subject, use this Thread or Oslam's.

I know some people will say "oh another thread about how PES09 sucks", but considering How many people have compared PES09 with Older versions -in- threads that had nothing to do with older versions.

Well maybe a Thread for comparing the New PES with the Old PES was needed. So here's your chance of arguing Which PES is better, without it being off-topic.

Actually i get used to with the gameplay of pes09, Athough pes6 gameplay felt more fluid and better. But one thing for sure, pes09 are much more realism than the previous version, shooting, passing speed and pace are really closer with today real football simulation. I know pes09 still having some flaws, but hopefully it will improve on coming pes series such as more stadium, better commentator, better graphics, more deep master league, fixed routine animations, and more complete edit more.

ykl said:

Actually i get used to with the gameplay of pes09, Athough pes6 gameplay felt more fluid and better. But one thing for sure, pes09 are much more realism than the previous version, shooting, passing speed and pace are really closer with today real football simulation. I know pes09 still having some flaws, but hopefully it will improve on coming pes series such as more stadium, better commentator, better graphics, more deep master league, fixed routine animations, and more complete edit more.

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PES6 was more Realistic, although I get what your saying, PES09 is a very very Misleading game.

All of the things that you said should improve, None of that needs to improve, the Priority should be The Gameplay, everything else falls without it.

In PES09, when you Defend you do NOTHING, you only run after the ball and, for the most part, end up winning the ball easily. And when you Attack, again, you barely have to Think.

It can be straightforward and fun at times, but after awhile it just feels like a shore. You're just bored to death whenever you're Defending. And when you're Attacking, sometimes you're underwhelmed by How Easy it is to score goals from nothing.

The Com basically Dictates everything for you, whereas you only decide How and When to Pass or Shoot the ball. This isn't Addictive because it lacks Depth, a lot of depth.

Without meaning to offend anyone, I do take Offense when I pay $50 for a child's game, this isn't what I expected and I feel Insulted by how PES has changed. I think PES09 is for Numb people and casual gamers alike.

It can be fun at times, because we're all Numb for a given time.. but nothing less and nothing more. It haves some nice touches though, but will Konami go that way? Or will they just keep simplifying it for the masses?

Pes 09 is better. I actually preferred pes 5 rather than 6. I hated es 6 shooting because there was no curl. Pes 5 had better curl and pes 09 has the best curl. Pes 6 had better tackles than pes 09 though and had slightly better long range shooting but pes 09 is more realistic. Also pes 09 is harder.

yeh pes 5 still tops it off for me and i agree the shooting was horific on pes 6 they used to fly over the abr with a simple tap

shaun7 said:

Pes 09 is better. I actually preferred pes 5 rather than 6. I hated es 6 shooting because there was no curl. Pes 5 had better curl and pes 09 has the best curl. Pes 6 had better tackles than pes 09 though and had slightly better long range shooting but pes 09 is more realistic. Also pes 09 is harder.

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That's just your opinion.. I mean, for me PES09 is easier than PES6. This doesn't means that everyone will find PES09 easier.

Maybe PES5 was better, but for me PES6 was and still is definitely better than PES09. I just realized that this past week.

I bet that if PES6 had the same Graphics as PES09, I'm pretty sure most PES fans would say PES6 was miles better.

And you guys only mentioned the "shooting", but How about the Dribbling?? It doesn't takes a genius to realize that the Dribbling Movements where much better before, they Felt better, more realistic, and Responsive.

The only things PES6 needed in order to improve where:

* A bigger and improved system of Stats for the players.

* Much improved Graphics.

* Improved Long Through Balls.

* An Alternative to the Basic R2 "pass and move".

* New Movement Directions.

* Improved Animations.

This are just some of the BASIC things that should have improved by now, PES09 only offers Two of the Points highlighted above. I think that although a huge improvement on PES08, it was another step backwards from the good Old PES.

I don't care about curling the ball, I care about The Gameplay. About how the game feels, and for the most part PES09 just doesn't feels as realistic, it somehow feels more Automatic and easy. It's an easier/simplified version for the masses.

And if you guys don't mind me asking, asides from the Shooting, WHY do you prefer PES09??

Amateur said:

That's just your opinion.. I mean, for me PES09 is easier than PES6. This doesn't means that everyone will find PES09 easier.

Maybe PES5 was better, but for me PES6 was and still is definitely better than PES09. I just realized that this past week.

I bet that if PES6 had the same Graphics as PES09, I'm pretty sure most PES fans would say PES6 was miles better.

And you guys only mentioned the "shooting", but How about the Dribbling?? It doesn't takes a genius to realize that the Dribbling Movements where much better before, they Felt better, more realistic, and Responsive.

The only things PES6 needed in order to improve where:

* A bigger and improved system of Stats for the players.

* Much improved Graphics.

* Improved Long Through Balls.

* The game needed an Alternative to the Basic R2 "pass and move".

* New Movement Directions.

PES09 only offers Two of the Points highlighted above, I think it was another step backwards.

I don't care about curling the ball, I care about The Gameplay. About how the game feels, and for the most part PES09 just doesn't feels as realistic, it somehow feels more Automatic and easy. It's an easier/simplified version for the masses.

And if you guys don't mind me asking, asides from the Shooting, WHY do you prefer PES09??

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I'm getting PES6 by certain means as we speak. :ninja:

Indeed, I like a few things about PES 2009 and among them is; player movements. Nearly every time I scored, I scored a different kind of goal. Nothing to get all over excited about though, I still prefer the old school PES.

Graphics wise, Kitserver does the trick. Actually, I'm going on Evo-Web now! Hopefully the links are not down! :d

I.N Extasy said:

I'm getting PES6 by certain means as we speak. :ninja:

Indeed, I like a few things about PES 2009 and among them is; player movements. Nearly every time I scored, I scored a different kind of goal. Nothing to get all over excited about though, I still prefer the old school PES.

Graphics wise, Kitserver does the trick. Actually, I'm going on Evo-Web now! Hopefully the links are not down! :d

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And that's another thing about PES09, you seem to score a lot of different goals all the time, but it's lacking some of that Old feeling you know?

Why even in the replays the Goals look quite good, but I don't really like the feeling I get whenever I score a goal. I think PES6 and PES5 had a much better goal-scoring-feeling.

Wich at the end of the day, is essential in anything Football related.

And I agree about "the Player Movements" as I really liked how the Strikers moved up front. But the problem is that the rest of the players, Midfielders and Defenders don't move as well.

And the game left me wanting for some kind of Innovation. For one thing, I would love to Dictate How my strikers/midfielders/defenders move -without- having to manually accommodate each one of them, or having to pass the ball.

Just a New Detail to master, a subtle and yet Significant addition to the game.

Anyways, PES6 still gives me more thrills than PES09.

PES6 was the best in the series online, because it was the only game in the series which works online pretty much flawlessly. However considering they took out the edit mode and other features, it made single player and absolute joke.

Therefore:

PES6 is better online.
PES2009 is better as a single player.

Hunter said:

PES6 was the best in the series online, because it was the only game in the series which works online pretty much flawlessly. However considering they took out the edit mode and other features, it made single player and absolute joke.

Therefore:

PES6 is better online.
PES2009 is better as a single player.

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Well I don't follow, what PES are you talking about?? I played PES6 the PS2 version and it had the Edit Mode.

The curling is about the shooting's realism, so a big part of the shooting and shooting is a part of the gameplay so it effects.
Also dribbbling? The dribbling is the same but in Pes 09 you have more moves than 6. Maybe pes 6 had better response when drbbling. But still I like pes 09's weather effects the performance thing. Realistic.
Also I played pes 6 on top player and won every game in ML and exhibition. Now in pes 09 I'm playing professional and I don't win all games. Konami said that they toned down the difficulty in pes 6 but pes 09 was made to be more difficult than 6. Maybe pes 6 was easier because of the response thing.
All in all they both are great games but pes 09 is more real for sure.

Amateur said:

Well I don't follow, what PES are you talking about?? I played PES6 the PS2 version and it had the Edit Mode.

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hes talking about the 360 version i think.

and pes5 was the closest pes has been to real football, i know that the ref used to blow for everything in pes5 but if u think about it thats how it is in real football players jus get touched slightly and the ref blows so it made pes5 a much more challenging game becoz u couldnt jus hold the closing down button u had to wait for the right moment and time ur tackles just like real football and at least in pes5 wen u play against a friend u actually get the fee kicks u deserve where as in pes6 u can get hacked a couple of times and the ref never blows for a free kick.

Pes5 had the best gameplay by miles, the shooting was better than pes6 coz in pes6 they added crappy shooting animations it didnt feel right, pes4 shooting was a bit iffy aswell but pes5 comes right in between and found that happy medium wer it feels like a bit of both pes4 and pes6.

thats just my opinion on things. pes 09 is a good game but konami needs to really go back to the drawing board instead of jus saying they are.

Amateur said:

And that's another thing about PES09, you seem to score a lot of different goals all the time, but it's lacking some of that Old feeling you know?

Why even in the replays the Goals look quite good, but I don't really like the feeling I get whenever I score a goal. I think PES6 and PES5 had a much better goal-scoring-feeling.

Wich at the end of the day, is essential in anything Football related.

And I agree about "the Player Movements" as I really liked how the Strikers moved up front. But the problem is that the rest of the players, Midfielders and Defenders don't move as well.

And the game left me wanting for some kind of Innovation. For one thing, I would love to Dictate How my strikers/midfielders/defenders move -without- having to manually accommodate each one of them, or having to pass the ball.

Just a New Detail to master, a subtle and yet Significant addition to the game.

Anyways, PES6 still gives me more thrills than PES09.

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Yep. The feeling's there in PES6.

I've just played two games with a friend, and another against the computer. I don't recall PES 2009 being that fun.

I can't believe how badly I played. My defensive play was sloppy. Hopefully with a a couple of additional games in, this should be sorted out.

Now, I need to look for some kits!

P.S: 'Which'.

shaun7 said:

The curling is about the shooting's realism, so a big part of the shooting and shooting is a part of the gameplay so it effects.
Also dribbbling? The dribbling is the same but in Pes 09 you have more moves than 6. Maybe pes 6 had better response when drbbling. But still I like pes 09's weather effects the performance thing. Realistic.
Also I played pes 6 on top player and won every game in ML and exhibition. Now in pes 09 I'm playing professional and I don't win all games. Konami said that they toned down the difficulty in pes 6 but pes 09 was made to be more difficult than 6. Maybe pes 6 was easier because of the response thing.
All in all they both are great games but pes 09 is more real for sure.

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Nah, I think PES6 was more realistic, but one of the main issues was that it was too easy to do just about anything Inside of the Box.

Which makes it kind of funny, because even though you can See that the players kind of close you down faster in PES09 -you- still get a greater sense of Urge and Timing in PES6. Maybe it's the Responsiveness, but it makes a world of difference, Goals feel more Realistic.

I don't know what to say about the Shooting though, I thought the Shooting in PES6 was great, you just had to get the hang of it, just like in PES5 and PES09. But thing is, you still get a much more Realistic Feeling whenever you score a goal in PES5 or PES6.

And you know, I also win every game in PES6.. but then again, I also win every game in PES09. So if you asked me, the Difficulty is just as easy. Although, I do feel more forced into Thinking when I play PES6, as I barely think at all when I play PES09.

I just feel bored to death whenever I have to defend in PES09, I feel annoyed by the lack of "Dribbling Feeling" in PES09, and I'm even more disappointed with the lack of Innovations.

I never ever felt that bored whilst playing PES6 or PES5, I think PES6 had much better "Replay Value" for the grownups, and I feel like PES09 is a simplified version for the masses.

And it feels kinda weird, I never imagined I'd say it this soon but.. I used to be very interested in How PES would Evolve, and now I couldn't care less about PES 2010 or PES09 for that matter.

PES 2008, on the PS2, was the best. When I went back to PES 6, after playing PES 2008 on the PS2, it was incredibly easy, too easy. The differences in each game aren't instantly apparent, and even after time they're not the easiest to pick out, but they are definitely there as I was ripping teams 4-0 (at minimum) when I went back to PES 6 for a couple of days to compare directly.

I'm still undecided on PES 2009, in areas. I haven't played it in weeks. But the dribbling is far too easy, and far too unrealistic, which is apparent more than ever in multiplayer. A friend who was previously just average at PES can now just pass the ball to Messi, Eto'o, Henry, Torres, or Villa, to name a few, and repeatedly bash R1 (sprint) when not flicking the analogue in all directions, to skin half a team and score. And BECOME A LEGEND is in need of a major overhaul as it is clearly incomplete and unfinished. That feature has great potential, though.

I haven't played much of the game in single player, nor started a Master League, due to the let down of multiplayer and frustration experienced in BECOME A LEGEND.

Amateur said:

So if you asked me, the Difficulty is just as easy. Although, I do feel more forced into Thinking when I play PES6, as I barely think at all when I play PES09.

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Yes, same here. This just shows how monotonous the new game is. You don't have to be clever to be good at it.

Amateur said:

Nah, I think PES6 was more realistic, but one of the main issues was that it was too easy to do just about anything Inside of the Box.

Which makes it kind of funny, because even though you can See that the players kind of close you down faster in PES09 -you- still get a greater sense of Urge and Timing in PES6. Maybe it's the Responsiveness, but it makes a world of difference, Goals feel more Realistic.

I don't know what to say about the Shooting though, I thought the Shooting in PES6 was great, you just had to get the hang of it, just like in PES5 and PES09. But thing is, you still get a much more Realistic Feeling whenever you score a goal in PES5 or PES6.

And you know, I also win every game in PES6.. but then again, I also win every game in PES09. So if you asked me, the Difficulty is just as easy. Although, I do feel more forced into Thinking when I play PES6, as I barely think at all when I play PES09.

I just feel bored to death whenever I have to defend in PES09, I feel annoyed by the lack of "Dribbling Feeling" in PES09, and I'm even more disappointed with the lack of Innovations.

I never ever felt that bored whilst playing PES6 or PES5, I think PES6 had much better "Replay Value" for the grownups, and I feel like PES09 is a simplified version for the masses.

And it feels kinda weird, I never imagined I'd say it this soon but.. I used to be very interested in How PES would Evolve, and now I couldn't care less about PES 2010 or PES09 for that matter.

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I didn't say I don't like the shooting. I didn't like the curl of the shot. I was really pissed off when I played pes 5 again after pes 6 to see that it had a much better curl. Now in pes 09 the curl is back.
I know about the feeling. Pes 6 had more feeling when you score (probably the best pes in terms of goal feeling) but overall I prefer pes 09.

shaun7 said:

I didn't say I don't like the shooting. I didn't like the curl of the shot. I was really pissed off when I played pes 5 again after pes 6 to see that it had a much better curl. Now in pes 09 the curl is back.
I know about the feeling. Pes 6 had more feeling when you score (probably the best pes in terms of goal feeling) but overall I prefer pes 09.

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Hey that's your opinion and I respect that.

I really thought PES09 would grow on me but, it just feels too Minimalistic, to the point where I feel like I'm only Shooting or Passing the ball.

I mean, in PES09 I have scored countless of goals by just having a long range shoot with some power, the keeper spills it to somewhere, and just by "luck" one of my forwards is always there to score the easy tap-in.

The other formula that always works is the Long Through Ball, with good timing and a fast forward up front, it never fails. The easiest way of scoring goals out of nothing.

And of course the Defensive Play, it looks and feels ridiculous, all the players running at the ball as if their lives depended on it. And agile players like Leo Messi making great Defenders, which is another huge flaw.

And there's just something about the Movements, be it the lack of Responsiveness or the twitchyness, they don't Feel as realistic and cohesive as the Older movements.

PES09 also shows slight traces of PES08 in that "Pace" is Overrated. With players like Obafemi Martins there's no need to use actual skill, you can basically run circles around defenders.

I do admit however that PES09 haves some nice touches, the Graphics are good, the Strikers Movements are surprisingly good, the Long Through Balls now have an actual use in the game.

The game can certainly improve, but will Konami make improvements where improvements are really needed?? Or will they just keep simplifying it for the masses?

I just think the game is easy but boring. PES6 was also easy When played against the Com, but it rarely got boring, not even when the score-lines read 6-4.

The gameplay realism or unrealistic were not depend on your feelings. You feel better, fun and satisfy with the gameplay, that's only mean the successive of the game maker in presented their game. But its not delegation the realism of gameplay...We should count every aspect of the gameplay to justify how realism the gameplay presented for both pes6 and pes09. Referee, passing speed, long passing speed, dribble speed, shooting rate, crossing, header,offside, pace, defence, stamina, player responsive, ball weight, weather, and much more....all this should count inside not only the fluency of gameplay.

One thing for sure, too realism of gameplay sure will get us bored with the game. the striker such as C.ronaldo shoot 5 times only get 1 times shoot on target, when the teams like blackburn rover closing down and pressure to you midfielder and tackles at anywhere, i'm sure your ball passing rate will low and no more fluency of gameplay which is the referee busy with the whistle.

Therefore, for those prefer pes6 were more realism or better gameplay keep enjoy with the game, and for those prefer pes09 keep enjoy yourself with the game. Merry Christmas to all of you.....sorry for poor english...

Amateur said:

Hey that's your opinion and I respect that.

I really thought PES09 would grow on me but, it just feels too Minimalistic, to the point where I feel like I'm only Shooting or Passing the ball.

I mean, in PES09 I have scored countless of goals by just having a long range shoot with some power, the keeper spills it to somewhere, and just by "luck" one of my forwards is always there to score the easy tap-in.

The other formula that always works is the Long Through Ball, with good timing and a fast forward up front, it never fails. The easiest way of scoring goals out of nothing.

And of course the Defensive Play, it looks and feels ridiculous, all the players running at the ball as if their lives depended on it. And agile players like Leo Messi making great Defenders, which is another huge flaw.

And there's just something about the Movements, be it the lack of Responsiveness or the twitchyness, they don't Feel as realistic and cohesive as the Older movements.

PES09 also shows slight traces of PES08 in that "Pace" is Overrated. With players like Obafemi Martins there's no need to use actual skill, you can basically run circles around defenders.

I do admit however that PES09 haves some nice touches, the Graphics are good, the Strikers Movements are surprisingly good, the Long Through Balls now have an actual use in the game.

The game can certainly improve, but will Konami make improvements where improvements are really needed?? Or will they just keep simplifying it for the masses?

I just think the game is easy but boring. PES6 was also easy When played against the Com, but it rarely got boring, not even when the score-lines read 6-4.

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I respect your opinion too. BTW in pes 6 agile players were also a bit overrated. I had thierry Henry in the arsenal ML (the longest lasting ML I ever had, 2018) and I could break down the defence even on Top player. In some ways Pes 09 is like Pes 6.
BTW The replay value of 6 was very high. I had the longest lasting ML ever in pes 6 so I used to play it a lot. I feel that pes 09 will take after it. As I'm is season 2012/2013. My 5th season. I didn't even last 4 seasons on pes 08