I dunno what you're on about, they moved it from L2 to select, and no select is not in a difficult position, you move your finger off the analogue for 1 SECOND, change it and it's done. Not gonna read your incredibly long posts as it doesn't appear to go beyond that minor issue
Dude, I am a pretty skillful gamer.... and by no means do I find the SELECT button an "accessible" option.
1 SECOND -- PAUSE
In PES10, I do not need a 1 SECOND PAUSE, it simply is better done in PES10. It was a bad decision, end of story, nothing left to say. I have never heard of the SELECT button playing an important part in other video games, you know why? Because it is not intuitive, it is not accessible, it forces you to do things which are not really intuitive; as simple as.
The thread title says there are is no "on the fly" strategies. When they clearly are in the game, to almost everyones knowledge. So the thread title is wrong. I won't explain this any further because you will again pretend to not understand.
I get your second argument now, you want to be able to bash the game in peace. I will leave you to it, no worries. Sincere apologies for invading your thread.
Depends on your definition for the word "on-the-fly"
As far as my definition goes, I cannot describe it as "on-the-fly" when it forces the user into RELEASING the left analogue stick.... because by forcing the user into releasing the left analogue stick, it INTERFERES with the action and flow of the game.
1 SECOND PAUSE? 2 SECOND PAUSE? Who cares, it INTERFERES with the left analogue stick, it interferes with the action and flow of the match; as simple as that.
Cannot describe it as "on-the-fly" when it requires a PAUSE: something that should have been simplified, Konami made it more complicated, that's a bad decision as far as I'm concerned.
If it does not bothers you at all, if your definition for "on-the-fly" is different, then so be it; but don't come here discrediting an argument just because you do not agree with it nor understand how big a deal it truly is.
Just agree to disagree, and move on to a subject that you actually understand.
I have never seen such an overreaction to a simple thing as changing l2 and square to select and square.
it takes a nanosecond to do, can be done when the ball is out of play also.
get a grip man.
Do you think I'm loosing sleep over it?
It's called constructive criticism... I used the L2 STRATEGIES all the time, and I never use it when the ball is out of play, using it when the ball is out of play is not practical nor organic.
If you knew how to use the L2 STRATEGIES, if you actually knew how to use them, and you understood the potential that such a system holds: you would not be in here writing completely redundant comments.
Epic fail. Re-read the pieces and you will see the comments on here are from PES fans frustrated with how the game is constructed. It 'appears' had you read the posts you probably wouldn't have needed to make that totally pointless post.
Ridiculous. Try offering a credible counter arguement in future. I see nothing wrong with Amateur's comments, he backs them up with insight.
What you have failed to notice is that he is a PES fan, as am I. Its our right as consumers to give Konami pelters when we feel they have short changed us.
Seriously, if you don't like threads that critique PES don't read them. If you have a valid point or counter arguement to make then do so as no one is interested (or cares) about your infinitesimal understanding of the subject matter.
Precisely my point,
I don't go to a thread titled "GREAT GAME KONAMI" -- to tell the fans that they are stupid and that they should know better; I have no interest in that, people have a right to an opinion.
What I don't understand, is why this people feel the need of abusing and basically bullying CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM. Have I said anything wrong?
Don't understand it, they want you to respect their opinions, yet they don't respect yours; pretty childish if you asked me, completely counterproductive.
I suspect that a change in game mechanics will come about with the advent of a new controller which ditches the analogue stick and D-Pad. Part motion controlled, part button controlled is how I would see the most successful change being implemented.
Its curious that so many people are happy with this game, I find it strange that stealing pace from players, making penalties impossible, over-loading the game with strategy that over-rules the primary strategy and adding clunky AI to match clunky controls is being so well received.
That's an interesting thought,
For my part, I believe the PS3 control is perfectly capable of what I expect from a current gen Football Sim; but the thing is, that Konami needs to move on from the Famicom era, and Konami themselves have admitted that all PES games leading to PES 2011, are all extensions of the Famicom era.
Basically, Konami is using the left analogue stick like a 360-axis d-pad; what Konami could and should do, is eliminate anything related to the d-pad, eliminate what I call the d-pad roots, and make better use of the left analogue stick.
From there on, I can only see improvements. But we will see what happens, time will tell: hopefully, a massive change will come sooner rather than later.
But the best thing in this, is that they're still there. I understand Amateur though as with L2 they were easier to use. But at least, they're still there.
Seeing as konami sometimes take out the good things. AT LEAST THEY'RE STILL HERE.
So in the end, it's not such a big deal. Maybe there's an option to make it with L2 again?
Pes needs options like those as everyone's tastes are different.
Yeah that is important,
But also, it is important to notice all the buttons that we have for dribbling, which is proof that Konami and EA Sports have an outdated dribbling and man-marking system.
This is why, when they want to add something into the game, the left analogue stick continues working identically, they do not replace or change the core concept; and as a result, they need all these L2 + left analogue stick, R2 + left analogue stick, right analogue stick, etc, etc.
And what happens with features like the old L2 STRATEGY?
It gets relegated to an uncomfortable and non-intuitive control. Like you have said, at least it still is an option; but also, let's acknowledge the fact for why this happened in the first place: Konami is not making good use of the left analogue stick.
Konami is limiting all the buttons, to cheap tricks and thrills, and if they continue going in that direction... I cannot see myself supporting the game any longer.
They should stop adding details to the same old Famicom System, and they need to come up with something new and fresh: something that makes proper use of the left analogue stick, and thus relieves other buttons from the burden of redundancy, and above all, relieves the left analogue stick from the burden of all the redundancies that are currently holding the genre down.
PES11 and FIFA11 are complicated where it should not be, and dumb where it should not be; there is a perfectly good reason for this.
And when Konami are telling you that all PES games leading to PES11 are just extensions of the Famicom era, the Famicom era which started back in 1985; and when Konami themselves are telling you that PES11 should have been PES08....
That tells you everything you need to know, PES is outdated, and FIFA is also outdated: Famicom era games, with current gen touches here and there, but the core concept is the same old Famicom Concept.
It's just dumb where it matters the most, and complicated where it shouldn't be: the people who say that PES is turning into FIFA, have a point.
LOL another rage rant just because he failed to read the manual. If you were too lazy to do even that you could've just hit the search button on the forum and voila you would've saved yourself a lot of time and embarrassment.
Just demonstrates how much of a moron you truly are... you do not know how to use the L2 STRATEGIES, you do not actually understand why moving the L2 STRATEGIES to SELECT STRATEGIES was a very stupid decision; yet here you are, judging someone without actually understanding his argument, as always.
You should go fuck yourself for all I care, you never say anything worth reading and you never really contribute to anything.
You are just a big waste of time, and in wasting my time you have succeeded yet again: congrats.
The post mostly talked about the lack of on the fly strategies and you can't deny that it was the whole point of opening this thread. Sure he mentions some other things like control issues but he has like 100 novels written in other threads about that topic.
I think everyone would agree that the select button is clearly not as quick and accessible as L2 but it's not something worth raging over. The difference in button presses between L2 and select can be measured in milliseconds. Not game changing at all considering you would only need to use that button once or twice per match.
The change was required though since L2 is now the manual pass button. Also you don't even need to use the select button strategies or pause the game as now you've got the neat minute by minute strategy system to fuck around with.
That's were you are wrong,
It is worth raging over if you know what the L2 STRATEGIES can do for you, and if you knew how much I used them: I use the L2 STRATEGIES almost as much as I pass the ball.
Sure it was an outdated system that needed a replacement, but it should have been replaced with a better system, not a worst system: the SELECT STRATEGIES are basically a downgrade.
And either, Konami will overhaul the strategies system with PES 2012, or it is as simple as, Konami is going in a new and more superficial direction.
I'm hoping that PES12 will fix this, but PES11 is showing the signs of an automatic and superficial game aimed at the masses. Once the learning curve is over, with the new passing system, it will be a very superficial and automatic game: complicated where it shouldn't be, and dumb where it shouldn't be.
