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bestpesever

Registered User
i like to talk about this.
this is just my opinion.
differences about fifa and pes is this.

fifa trying to look like football
and pes trying to be football.

HOW THE FAK U GONNA PLAY A FOOTBALL IF U CANT CONTROL A BALL?

i have on "next gen" fifa8 and 9..
and i enjoy every year pes for ps2 more then fifa next gen.why?
in fifa u dont have play one on one,player vs player..u can just turn around give ass to all squad and one touch same passes.
i dont say pes is perfect and fifa cant be fun play..but im mad becouse fifa is very overrated and have most important things fakd up.
 

OCKRASS

Registered User
OCKR-ASS,

I dont undrstand. if you really like FIFA, by all means go play...go...shoot shoot. Why..why...why are you always here in a PES Forum??? What ae you trying to prove? FIFA is the best? U want all of us to play FIFA?

OK..OK...FIFA is the best...but i'm still playing PES...now shoot off..really...shoot shoot...go...doggie...good dog...go...!!!
:no:

Dude you should have really paid more attention is school. Reading is fundamental.

Do you realize that you are actually in a "Fifa" discussed thread?

The author of the thread opened it up to let us know that like me ....he has now switched to Fifa. Did you even get that.

Jesus ...are you really this dumb?
 

OCKRASS

Registered User
Someone close this thread. What a shambles.

Fact of the matter is, neither game is near perfect and people will have to agree to disagree over which game is 'best'.

Calling each other childish names and writing paragraphs of shit is not going to have any effect on anything. Just makes FIFA and PES players look like a bunch of idiots.

If people don't like PES, then I fail to understand why they are wasting their time on this forum so often?!

Agreed Stu,

Neither game is without fault. But the question is ...if ppl don't like Fifa ....why are they wasting their time in a thread discussing why we switched from PES to Fifa.
It only spells sense that if you like PES ...then maybe this thread is not for your liking.

There are hundreds of other threads discussing the beauty of PES and few discussing Fifa .....why are the PES followers here sniffing out Fifa players and complaining because we choose to like the competition?

Does that make any sense?
 

OCKRASS

Registered User
What are you trying to prove here?
The problem with him is that he OVERRATES FIFA WAY TOO MUCH and won't admit the obvious faults. That makes him look like a fifa fanboy who can't take negatives towards his fifa.
Note that there are some here that do this to pes too.
THESE PEOPLE NEED TO BE IGNORED. OTHERWISE THERE WON'T BE A REASON TO DISCUSS AND NOTHING GOOD WILL COME OUT IN THE END.


Shaun,,

There is no fault with Fifa. It is perfect.

Fifa is the best game ever
 

LOL-ness

Registered User
@OCKRASS: Learn to multi-quote please, it's that button next to "Reply/quote", and it's there for a reason. Use it.

I don't think FIFA will fit my style of playing, since I predominantly play ML, and FIFA just doesn't offer enough in that respect. Perhaps I'll change my mind when EA implements a League Mode that can rival ML.
 

chickenzip

Registered User
Shaun,,

There is no fault with Fifa. It is perfect.

Fifa is the best game ever

OCKR-ASS,

MY ASS...THERE IS NO PERFECT GAME IN THE WORLD. THIS IS JUST ANOTHER PROOF OF YOUR SICKNESS OR BLIND OBSESSES WITH THE GAME. NOW, PLEASE>>>JUST GO AND PLAY YOUR "PERFECT" GAME AND STOP TRYING TO CONVINCE PEOPLE HERE (A PES FORUM). :no:
 

chickenzip

Registered User
:no:

Dude you should have really paid more attention is school. Reading is fundamental.

Do you realize that you are actually in a "Fifa" discussed thread?

The author of the thread opened it up to let us know that like me ....he has now switched to Fifa. Did you even get that.

Jesus ...are you really this dumb?

Jesus, you are right...u need Jesus help. Real help. I'm not just saying posting here. Do your little pea size brain ever realize this thread is STILL in a PES FORUM???!!!! You are posting everywhere in this forum trying to sickly convince everyone to say FIFA is the better game,or at the times the best game, and now sickeningly saying it the perfect game. I mean, for GOD sake...it just a game....hello!!!!

Wow...you need a miracle pills or medicine to save your little ass and pea size brain. poor fellow...like i say, go doggy..go play your little bone thinking it is the best every food the world ever have...:no:
 

JMTD

Registered User
Are some actually acting like Fifa is a much better game? This is the Fifa where you can hold B/O the entire time to win the ball? Still score from halfway line? Still have the same god damn feel that it always has? And no I don't even hate Fifa, I play it with friends more than Pro, but never in a million years do I ever consider it better or anywhere near as exciting. Pro just feels so much better. Flaws? Hell yeah, no doubt about it, but fact is that I personally cannot do anything about that. For what it is, the game is fantastic and plays brilliant once you bother to learn it. And the plus is that it's still a hundred times harder than Fifa. I can and have mastered Fifa in a matter of a day or two, whereas I'm not even close to mastering Pro yet.

The two will always divide people. Both have flaws, both have positives against each other. I don't get why people still even have this arguement. The thing that has and always will make Pro better to me is it being more enjoyable, more playable, more realistic and it lasts longer. I play Fifa and cant be bothered after a few days, where I can play Pro for months on end and it doesn't get boring. This is my OPINION and without a doubt people will highly disagree, but that's the joy of OPINIONS. I don't even get why people are on a Pro Evo forum if they...don't like Pro :laugh:
 

OCKRASS

Registered User
OCKR-ASS,

MY ASS...THERE IS NO PERFECT GAME IN THE WORLD. THIS IS JUST ANOTHER PROOF OF YOUR SICKNESS OR BLIND OBSESSES WITH THE GAME. NOW, PLEASE>>>JUST GO AND PLAY YOUR "PERFECT" GAME AND STOP TRYING TO CONVINCE PEOPLE HERE (A PES FORUM). :no:

:w00t

You really fell for that .....shame.

The statement was meant to be sarcastic ......

I have said over and over again that both games have faults.

Are we that dumb?

And who the hell told you guys that because the site is named "PESGaming" .....Fifa cannot be discussed here?

I realize you only joined the site a month ago.....I have been here since 2004 bro.

Fifa is and can be discussed here because it is PES only competition.

As a matter of fact, if it wasn't for Fifa ..........a lot of us would not have recognized that PES is lacking in many departments.

I like Fifa ..you like PES ...so what? :blush:

For the record ....I play both.

Biatch!:D
 

OCKRASS

Registered User
@OCKRASS: Learn to multi-quote please, it's that button next to "Reply/quote", and it's there for a reason. Use it.

I don't think FIFA will fit my style of playing, since I predominantly play ML, and FIFA just doesn't offer enough in that respect. Perhaps I'll change my mind when EA implements a League Mode that can rival ML.

I know LOL ...I was the one who actually showed some ppl here how to use it, but it makes your thread long and seem boring and conflictiing....

Hey, i understand that fifa is not your style and thats ok by me.
A few years ago i only played PES nothing else...
Then i saw that Fifa was making improvements and we weren't. I tried it and liked it and now i like Fifa.

I still play PES but i hate the damn game because i know if it wasn't for Seabass we would be miles ahead of Fifa.

I now only support Fifa, Seabass will never get my money until he has at least sorted out the online problems. :realmad:

We are in 2010 and PES still cannot be enjoyed by many because of a simple problem as online. :(
 

chickenzip

Registered User
:w00t

You really fell for that .....shame.

The statement was meant to be sarcastic ......

I have said over and over again that both games have faults.

Are we that dumb?

And who the hell told you guys that because the site is named "PESGaming" .....Fifa cannot be discussed here?

I realize you only joined the site a month ago.....I have been here since 2004 bro.

Fifa is and can be discussed here because it is PES only competition.

As a matter of fact, if it wasn't for Fifa ..........a lot of us would not have recognized that PES is lacking in many departments.

I like Fifa ..you like PES ...so what? :blush:

For the record ....I play both.

Biatch!:D

Oh ya...i see that...so a little achievement here (thinking you have trick me) makes you so happy and over the moon. Well, i can understand that. Thats why FIFA is the "perfect" game for you...

So what if i have joined only this year...so what if you have join in 2004? That doesnt make your little pea brain much smarter that anyone here. For your ignorant brain here, i probably played a football video game much earlier than you did and more other video games than your little pea brain can handle. :w00t

This indeed spell how high your intelligent level is...shame on you too...:no: what an ant brain... :D
 

klashman

Registered User
For a man who likes to shout 'epic fail' alot you sure do alot of epic failing yourself. Please go away and check in detail the technical aspects of both systems. Xbox360 is actually (proven in many side by side comparisons) slightly better at displaying anti-aliased graphics due to the chipset it uses for its GPUs, the PS3 has more base processing power (not by alot) so ignoring the hard drive situation and blu-ray they are pretty much identical systems, the PS3 edges it cause it has built HDs as standard (xbox is optional) and it uses blu-rays which means they can make games with vast amounts of data on disc like GT5 which wouldn't be possible on Xbox,

So how is saying GT5 can't run on xbox a fail? You proved me right in your own fucking response, yes, you are that fucking stupid!


Your just being a dick now,


No need to cry like a bitch, cut your losses and see where you were wrong!

those two games play identically,



but gameplay engine wise that clip you posted looks almost identical to PS3 version,

actually watch how the game plays how it responds, they are the same game, the fact it can run on a PS2 shows how simplistic and old-gen the engine still is,
Yeah, REALLY, SO please, just TRY, and i mean TRY to dribble and try to attempt the same turns and feints from the Ps3 in the PS2 version!

TRY and attempt to play manual passes with the same sensitivity and ability to play the ball wherever in 360 degrees like in Ps3 version!

Even someone who dosen't even know what football is could tell the PS3 version is massively different and more advance in terms of player movement, fundamentals tech in terms of sensitivity. The PS2 game is constrained to a rail! The Ps3 version is like Konami said, engineered fro freedom

proper next gen games like GT4 for instance wont ever appear on PS2s or the Wii cause they cant run it, not graphically but in terms of processing power.

FIFA 08, 09 and 10 and i think 11 aswell were also released on the Ps2! I assume that runs on the PS3 engine aswell :laugh: :laugh: :huh:


And you clearly havent played total war, its utterly constrained in reality, its a historical simulator,

Yeah, so you directly control every single solider you send into war? Let alone assign each one for you what? 10,000 or so each warrior having individual characteristics and animations. I've seen games like that, they are sophisticated no doubt but you control an army of clones really with different ranks. Each army had a different strength rating with various attributes etc.. I don't doubt this game's AI power. but get a grip, they are completely different games in every single aspect!

the relative systems they apperr on is irrelavent,

Course they are fucking relevant you complete moron! One's made to make the most out of modern PC's one's made for consoles. PC's are so much better suited for strategy games, look at football manager etc..

point I was making was that you suggests football games are the hardest to make

They are incredibly hard to make. Could you make a football sim?

And that motion capturing really helps me when the cursor doesn't change or my players pause when selecting them, or when the I through ball the ball from my own defence straight through the opposing team,

[IMG]http://janeheller.mlblogs.com/woman-crying-2.jpg[/IMG]

Learn to defend

I could go on mate but I wont hammer the point. EA and Konami spend their money doing shit like motion capture and league licensing without bothering to overhaul and perfect the fundamental, the f-ing game engine.

And you expect to be an instant expert, and everything to fall into your lap without properly understanding the game, well, your loss!

No there are plent here and on other boards who can beat and outplay the top level AI with any level team with ease in just over a month of release cause the AI is retarded and scripted to shit.

:laugh: Thats bullshit!

I heard plenty of people beating Barca by 6-7 goals on top player, but surprise, surprise they use, Arsenal, Madrid, Inter etc..

My biggest win is 5-0 on top player, again i used Atletico to destroy Celtic in ML Europa League so I'm not arsed, i expect to destroy Celtic with Aguero, Forlan and Zarate.

Seriously you try beating Real Madrid with West Brom, see how far you get, good luck! I mean it's possible but but the best you would manage will be 2-0 at the very most in a rate of what, 1 in every 15 games!

I actually love how your saying 'other people' are complaining about the AI and not yourself. Your not very good are you?

It's just a game, not some super computer developed by NASA to out think you, Tbh i don't think it's possible anyway for a computer to out think you on a game in an 'action' game' (On a strategy game its a different matter)

Just cause you cant doesn't make it not possible. Seriously check around other forums their full of people complaining how much top player AI sucks. Your deluded mate.

No your stupid apparently for totally missing the point, we were saying you cant dribble or keep the ball without 'moving'

Hello? Dribbling with the ball requires you to 'move' with the ball?

you said you could, were proved wrong then now say its impossible in real life? So when I see Drogba holding off a defender from behind and using his body strength and skill to move the ball around and draw a foul from or beat the second defender approaching him im imagining that am I?

Your just being childish now... stuff like that happens all the time in real football, its impossible in PES

Record it for me and show me or it didnt happen!

If i make a comp i'll show you but i don't need to, you need to learn how to play the game yourself and you will set it happen!

When and where did I say that ?

You didn't have to say it, i could tell easily!

No you cant!!

:laugh: Yes, you can if your good enough. Even when i do get beaten by a 'noob'. it's always my fault :laugh: I normally have 5, '1 on 1' chances i miss and get beaten b the odd goal.

Just like what happened when some average Real Madrid player beat me 1-0 (i was using Saint Etienee) I was getting used ot he new player switching and my defending was pretty terrible all game and allowed him a chance i shouldn't have. I bet if that happened to you, you will would have just moaned and cried.

It's just a videogame!

You can stop them easily by playing the same retard crap as them, but if you play 'real football' vs an experienced exploiter online you will get torn a new asshole go play MLO and see what I mean.

I have played MLO, not much but every player i've played was beatable and those exploiters, were just crap players which i mainly got draws out of with my default players! I said before i haven't played MLO because i can't be bothered to play it every day!

Again like I'm tired of saying if your good enough they aren't a problem!
 

klashman

Registered User
Sup Klashman,

Your above statements tells me one thing.....you are probably not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
If the game simulates all that is listed above what more is needed?

Now I could go all out and embarrass your arse by listing all the ridiculous stuff you posted about Fifa and the contradictory crap you did about PES. But I won't. :blush:....i realize you have limited knowledge of both games.


Oh dear, Oh dear, we have ourselves another highly deluded poster on PES gaming, this forum is infested by them!

But instead ...here is the truth.

EA's success with its' recent current releases of Fifa is not based on reviews from journalist in their hotel rooms (As you have read and obviously been brain washed) it is in fact a choice by fans. Some who were previously PES fans.

It' seems like your a but slow and haven't quite got up to speed with current events. Everyone moved over to FIFA with FIFA 08 on the Xbox/PS3 because of the that crap PES 2008 so if you said this 3 years ago I'd agree.

We stayed with FIFA 09 because PEs 2009 was still shit, but FIFA 09 was the start of EA's descent back to it's arcade roots, the game where you could run through entire teams with Mario Gomez on Legendary and score easy, repetitive goals! A game which was good but HIGHLY flawed.

PES 2010 was broken, but had some promise and with FIFA 10 being a even more arcadey game with zero player individuality and and mountain of bugs and flaws, the game was pretty shit! but what else was there? PES 2010? Most people stuck with it. Personally i liked PEs 2010 for it's individuality but it was a highly broken game. FIFA 10 got too boring, too quick for me.

Now FIFA 11 which is just plain shit! I played the demo to the death. It's not even a good arcade game anymore or or a sim! So easy to beat the Ai, somehow EA have managed to make the individuality even worse than it was before. Yes, you see strikers with 50 overall making world class saves in goal as if thy were Casillas.

I could again juts get some average rated player or stick someone like Lionel Messi at Center back and he will make tackles as if he's the lovechild of Beckenbauer and Maldini.

You should have seen Hleb at center back on the demo, absolute rock!

I mean you act as if i don't get fifa. I been playing both games since 1996, and the only fifa which i 'd consider a sim would be FIFA 08! Rest don't even compare to PES 6 and i don't even like that game much!


Fifa kicks PES ass up and down the field when compared point for point

In terms of licenses yeah, everything else apart from maybe quantity of tricks and nets, in a realistic perspective,

Nah)

Fifa is only repetitive to players who
1) Do not play the game (You have only played the Demo as stated)

What's the point buying a game in which you know is broken and poor?

2) Cannot play the game because of the recent added pressure system

Wake up and smell the coffee, Pressure has been a huge issue of every fifa game! it' intensified with FIFA 09 and it's at it's worst atm!

3) Prefers and easier alternative which is "run fast and shoot rockets at goal" = PES

I have played PES to the fullest...look at the date i joined this site
PES was great once ...but not anymore
Robotic, 90 degree turns, ridiculously fast/skilled players, unrealistic rocket shooting from unbelievable angles and distances, dead/unresponsive defenders, cursor change bug, jog bug, unrealistic ball movement,
You still think PES 2011 plays as it did with PES6, PES 2010 even well your a idiot :)

stupid AI, incredible new passing system that takes at least 30+games to adapt,

Not my fault your shit at PES 2011

Now please go back and check to see how many of those problems affects Fifa. You will find just the opposite.

no i think i will re-post my views on fifa in which you ignored in your reply because you had nothing to say about them:

A football game should be judged on these 5 categories:

Tactics/Formation balance

Player Attributes/individuality

Animations

Human Physics/ ball physics

Game balance

FIFA 11 does one of these five well, 'Animations' in a video game sense (the game is silky smooth) but badly optimized in a football sense.

In terms of Human Physics/ball physics, Game balance, Player Attributes/individuality and Tactics/Formation balance it fails miserably in creating a sim!

it's also why i can't be bothered with plying online even though I'm pretty good at FIFA, i can't be bothered to play a ridiculous game where i play against endless cheesers who play with stupid 6-0-4 like they did in FIFA 10 and 09! You can beat them but there's no joy in beating them. Clubs is the only thing worth playing in FIFA!

In contrast PES 2011 gets 3 out of those 5 perfect but struggles in two departments.

The main problem with FIFA is the way the game is built. There's no factoring of player inertia at ALL. Realistic Foot planting is non existent which is a joke since FIFA 08 got this almost perfect! Players can all turn and move at lighting speed with Jedi like reactions, so to beat a man you HAVE to use the trick stick, it's not like real life where you unbalanced the defender. So it basically just gives you far too much unrealistic control, making the game to clinical, predictable and easy!

Also as per usual the game is completely devoid of proper individuality. PES 2011 laughs hysterically at FIFA with their pathetic gimmick called personality plus!

When you can stick Theo Walcott in goal and he'll make world class reaction saves just like Buffon.

Where you can Use Hleb as a center back and he's still make challenges as if he's Vermalaen!

The midfield means nothing!

Once again like in pretty much every fifa game the defense midfielders or center is completely useless. No just for you team, the CPU's DM's i rarely see them, ever! They are never an issue when they should in realty be a pest like they are in PES 2011
(Essien AGGGHHHH)

At all. It's again about how strong your strikers and defenders are. love how pro passing doesn't simulate how accurate each player can pass! instead bizarrely it just simulates how hard they can hit the pass! So play with a league 2 team and they can barley kick a ball, hilarious ain't it

Beating the AI is a breeze, all you do is set pressure high and that's it. I knew this when I beat Barcelona with Leverkusen on the demo (Legendary using full manual even).

Again, up front it's all about how strong your strikers are. There isn't difference between a top striker and a average striker. What makes Drogba so unstoppable is simple. You guessed it, strength because that's what the game is all about!


The AI is beyond terrible. Just like with FIFA 10. The only challenge in this game is the overpowered defenders who run up behind you when your in a one on one and barge you off the ball rugby style. Don't worry I'm good enough to get round this i just think when i easily do this to the CPU and they do it to me it's a complete joke that's all!

There's no tactical awareness at all, they are stupid as sin! it's still stupidly easy to create 1 on 1 opportunities because AI defenders do not work together. The full back seems to have a bad habit of constantly play your strikers onside.

Just say the game has gotten too hard and you prefer PES now ...

I said before i bet Barca using Leverkusen on full manual legendary. So how does that say i find the game hard?

In fact he's a video of me scoring vs Madrid on legendary using Leverkusen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBOfbwm88jI

Of my favorite video the Key to FIFA?

Do NOTHING!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ds2XgayO6z8&feature=related
 

S-D-P

Registered User
Klashman surprised you feel the need to respond to thaggots like okrass, it will just entice him back to the forum, its obvious he is trying to convince himself and not us that fifa is the dogs bollocks. He is the sort of person who will simply not grasp the qualities of this game so why waste the effort, at least someone like Amateaur(as much as I despise him) goes into details.
 

klashman

Registered User
These guys Avelives and okrass seems to have the cheek to reply as soon as i leave the forum, just showing them that they are wrong that's all.

okrass i know hes a troll and he's desperate to try and prove that FIFA is realsitic which it clearly isn't!

I think it will smack him int he face how poor FIFA is when he actually puts Hleb, Messi etc.. or any other players in stupid positions and see's it has almost no effect in terms of their ability to defend!
 

S-D-P

Registered User
These guys Avelives and okrass seems to have the cheek to reply as soon as i leave the forum, just showing them that they are wrong that's all.

okrass i know hes a troll and he's desperate to try and prove that FIFA is realsitic which it clearly isn't!

I think it will smack him int he face how poor FIFA is when he actually puts Hleb, Messi etc.. or any other players in stupid positions and see's it has almost no effect in terms of their ability to defend!

Dont get me wrong I have enjoyed fifa the past few years, it just lacks so many fundamentals that PES has. If you know football you will see this eventually, I did after initially calling fifa 11 the the 1st football game to surpass pes 5, then I played pes 2011. It was much easier in the ps2 days, the gap between pes and fifa was so huge there was no argument. I don't think enough people accept it takes a long time to see pes 2011's true qualities, their loss imo.
 

klashman

Registered User
I don't know why anyone bother with this forum it's shit!

Nobodys tried to balance their argument, with good and bad points. It's like people don't want to enjoy the game. They expect everything to be smooth and perfect.

It's just a video game! Why people seem to get so wound up and cry over it not suiting them exactly how they want!

It's like people come in and say.

OK , PES 2011 YOU DO THIS AND THIS AND THIS, IF YOU DON'T YOUR SHIT!!

and stuff like OMG I CAN'T RUN QUICKLY AND SHOOT LOW ALL THE TIME, THIS GAME IS SHIT, BROKEN

and

THE AI DOSEN'T MAKE THE INCH PERFECT RUN AND READ THE ATTACK I PLANNED OUT IN MY MIND AI IS BROKEN


or

OMG IT"S SO EASY I PLAY WITH REAL MADRID, NO TEAM DOES ANYTHING AGAINST ME! AI IS SHIT!

and even

OMG A NOOB SCORED AGAINST ME, AI BROKEN


and finally

TACTICS ARE CONFUSING AND STRANGE, AI BROKEN.

I think it's a general trait for gamers in this generation. To many people expect games to instantly fall in your lap and play beatifically from day 1 to day 365! No game is capable of satisfying everyone!
 
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