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InterAcMilan

Registered User
I can have my own opinion, and I can present it as a counter argument..... that's what debating is all about isn't it?

To my recollection, Di Maria is rated about 78, and Khedira is about 79/80, would I be right? This means that most of their attributes are in the late 70s and early 80s. This is GOOD. 82 out of 99.... is GOOD.
You can't expect every Madrid and Barca player to be rated in the mid 80s... it's just not realistic, plus it would make those teams even more unfairly balanced than they already are.
Plus, all the players you have mentioned are young. Konami often rates younger players a bit lower than usual so they have a more realistic development curve in Master League.

In all honesty, I don't think I can take you too seriously. Since your username contains both Inter AND AC Milan, and you moan about Real Madrid players not being good enough. You're obviously the type of player who sits in his room, thinking he's awesome because he can beat people with the big teams. I ask you, do you actually support a proper team, or are you just a big glory supporter?

Well now i respect what you say now you got rid of the "rudeness"
anyway, Yeah i can't decide what to play with Inter or Ac i love both teams, and Real madrid is my fav in La liga, I don't have to love team only ;)
 

iamcanadianeh

Registered User
Well now i respect what you say now you got rid of the "rudeness"
anyway, Yeah i can't decide what to play with Inter or Ac i love both teams, and Real madrid is my fav in La liga, I don't have to love team only ;)

Maybe you should change your name to RealInterACMilan :w00t
 

alx-9

Registered User
To be fair if people are suggesting the likes of Wilshere get a stat update, then so should someone like Ozil, even if he is already a 'good' player.

The argument that Team X would become even stronger is pointless, we're talking about individual stats and there's no need to be aggressive just because someone suggests a Real Madrid player (or good player already) get a stat boost if they have been having a marvellous season.
 

floriank90

Registered User
i personally think that KONAMI has always done well concerning players' stat updates. only problem: they somehow "forgot" to update them the last DLC. i'm sure they won't let us down and give us an extra stat DLC rather sooner than later....
 

Amateur

Registered User
To be fair if people are suggesting the likes of Wilshere get a stat update, then so should someone like Ozil, even if he is already a 'good' player.

The argument that Team X would become even stronger is pointless, we're talking about individual stats and there's no need to be aggressive just because someone suggests a Real Madrid player (or good player already) get a stat boost if they have been having a marvellous season.

I agree with you.

Some players think they are better than others just because they play with smaller teams, that's stupid, the game is still automatic regardless of the team you play with.

For me, the problem that I have with the stats is that players don't really feel distinctive enough. For instance, Messi is a one trick pony in PES11, in real life, Messi can do many different type of dribbling maneuvers.

I just don't see why PES has improved as much as some people say, the player individuality has certainly not improved at all; now, we just have a one trick pony in Messi, and average players twist and turn at the speed of a boat, that's not an improvement as far as I'm concerned....

That's simply making a dumb and simplistic game more difficult than it should be, which is why instead of being more challenging or more enjoyable, the new difficulty makes it more boring.

Playing PES11 feels like a shore: it does not offers a serious challenge because the game is ridiculously scripted, it does not feel right because the passing system does not click in with the rest of the game, long story short, PES11 is a dumb and simplistic video game with difficult execution.

PES11 is not a substantial and challenging video game with difficult execution, PES11 is a dumb and simplistic video game with difficult execution, which is why playing PES11 feels like a shore.... it is a pretentious video game that forces the user into being extremely careful and yet does not offers anything in return.

Dumb and simplistic video games should not have difficult execution, the difficult execution actually exposes all the glaring flaws worst than before, PES11 is a perfect example of that.
 

iamcanadianeh

Registered User
To be fair if people are suggesting the likes of Wilshere get a stat update, then so should someone like Ozil, even if he is already a 'good' player.

The argument that Team X would become even stronger is pointless, we're talking about individual stats and there's no need to be aggressive just because someone suggests a Real Madrid player (or good player already) get a stat boost if they have been having a marvellous season.

Yes, it's a matter of fact, but I personally think the case of Wilshere is more extreme because he has so many stats that are so far from his real attributes. On a scale of 1-10 in terms of how accurate the stats are compared to real life, then Wilshere is about a 3 and Ozil is probably 7.5 or 8, IMO. So when the dude said "I can't believe they didn't even adjust Ozil's and Di Maria stats..." I laughed a little. Ozil and Di Maria are hardly the most obvious players in need of stats changes. The point is several of us seem to agree there are probably 10-30 players, or even more, who are more in need of stats updates than those two. Not to say they don't need it as well, but they are lower on the list than many IMO.
 

Ultimate777

Banned
InterAcMilan if your that upset about the stats, do what fick suggested and download one of the option files available here on this forum. Konami never promised you that they were going to boost up ozil, di maria and nurhin sahin just so you could win easy. Anyway they improve via development in ML like ali BWFc said, so stop being a drama queen stating we've been ''fooled'' as if konami planned some consipracy.


Amateur messi isn't the only player on PES11 and he is far from one dimensional. The only thing pretentious is your criticism of the game which aims to deflect attention away from your inability to master it. My advice is to stop trolling shit that you've said a zillion times before, word for word.
 

Ali

It is happening again
Well now i respect what you say now you got rid of the "rudeness"
anyway, Yeah i can't decide what to play with Inter or Ac i love both teams, and Real madrid is my fav in La liga, I don't have to love team only ;)

So do you not actually support anyone "proper"? In other words, a team whose matches you attend regularly?

I wasn't trying to be rude with my original response, just sarcastic. It's the British style of humour :)

To be fair if people are suggesting the likes of Wilshere get a stat update, then so should someone like Ozil, even if he is already a 'good' player.

The argument that Team X would become even stronger is pointless, we're talking about individual stats and there's no need to be aggressive just because someone suggests a Real Madrid player (or good player already) get a stat boost if they have been having a marvellous season.

The thing is, I think Ozil's stats in the game reflect him fairly, whereas Wilshere's do not. Though, I can't say I've been following Ozil this season... so I don't know how well he has actually played.

With regards to you calling me "aggressive" with my response to his complaining, it wasn't aggressive, it was jokey. But he responded by calling me a Fu** Bag and even PM'd me, so I took it to heart. But it's over now.
 

S-D-P

Registered User
I think the player individuality is better than ever, just sometimes the irritating pressure can make it harder to express this.
 

Ultimate777

Banned
I think the player individuality is better than ever, just sometimes the irritating pressure can make it harder to express this.

Agreed. I it's much more fluid over last years production which was just rigid, robotic and automatic. This time it's more sensitive to your commands as to which kind of direction you choose to move into after implementing a skill.
 

Amateur

Registered User
fuck you !

InterAcMilan if your that upset about the stats, do what fick suggested and download one of the option files available here on this forum. Konami never promised you that they were going to boost up ozil, di maria and nurhin sahin just so you could win easy. Anyway they improve via development in ML like ali BWFc said, so stop being a drama queen stating we've been ''fooled'' as if konami planned some consipracy.


Amateur messi isn't the only player on PES11 and he is far from one dimensional. The only thing pretentious is your criticism of the game which aims to deflect attention away from your inability to master it. My advice is to stop trolling shit that you've said a zillion times before, word for word.

Laughing my ass off you are stubborn, jesus, what the fuck is wrong with you?

I am not pretentious, quite the contrary, when I play a video game that is shit, I do not pretend that the video game is as good as they say it is: simple.

The fact that you are under the impression that it is pretentious for me to have an opinion.... is ridiculous.... particularly when my opinion is based on facts, and not based on the gaming ability of a person that I do not know.

And again, the fact that I do not waste my time on PES11, does not mean that you are more skillful than me at PES11 nor does it mean that PES11 is just too good for my "inferior" ability -- simple.

But of course, pretentious people like yourself, will read negative comments concerning a video game that they like, and what is their response? They pretend that the person whom is writing the negative criticism, is writing negative criticism because of his own inability to enjoy the game for what the game is to you.

You see, you like to pretend that you know things that you actually know nothing about, and you also happen to like PES11, just a coincidence I'm certain.

But me, I do not like to pretend when I can actually choose not to pretend, which is why I do not pretend that you must be a pretentious gamer for enjoying a video game that I think is pretentious.

It's your opinion, I'm not gonna describe you -- the gamer -- as a pretentious gamer; no, instead, I go for the actual video game, I actually describe the actual video game as a pretentious load of bullshit, and I give my reasons as to why this is, which are reasons that you can experience for yourself by simply playing the video game.

You on the other hand, are so very pretentious, that when you do not have an actual argument to counter an argument that you do not agree with, you just pretend that my ability as a gamer is the reason for my negative criticism: in your own my words, my criticism of the game aims to deflect attention away from my inability to master it.

So when I criticise the fact that it is impossible to move inside the space because it is only possible to move through space.... My criticism of the mentioned fact is written with the sole intention of deflecting attention away from my ability to master the video game that I am criticizing?

Seriously, do you actually think that I would actually write with the aim of deflecting attention from my ability as a gamer? I am not worried about my ability, I am very good at the game, and if I wasn't, I would say it loud and clear, mainly because I would not pretend that I am good at the game if I'm not, and secondly because my ability as a gamer means fuck all to my argument since my argument is based on a fact that has absolutely nothing to do with the ability of the user.

So again, the theory that you have invented in order to counter my argument and my opinion....

Who the hell gives a flying fuck about a pathetic theory that you invented out of thin air? How do you know that I am not good enough to play and enjoy PES11? Why do you even think that you need to be a skillful gamer to enjoy PES11?

Damn it you are stubborn! seriously, the meaning of hypocrisy, look it up.

Oh and by the way: my advice is that you go fuck yourself and also that if you don't have anything slightly informative to say that you shut the fuck up. Go buy yourself some common sense for fucks sake.
 

Amateur

Registered User
You can buy common sense??? What does it come in?

Now that you mention it, I don't remember.... but, you just need to ask, I'm sure the answer is around the corner, it's just a matter of asking it.



Good for you!
 

Ultimate777

Banned
Laughing my ass off you are stubborn, jesus, what the fuck is wrong with you?

I am not pretentious, quite the contrary, when I play a video game that is shit, I do not pretend that the video game is as good as they say it is: simple.

The fact that you are under the impression that it is pretentious for me to have an opinion.... is ridiculous.... particularly when my opinion is based on facts, and not based on the gaming ability of a person that I do not know.

And again, the fact that I do not waste my time on PES11, does not mean that you are more skillful than me at PES11 nor does it mean that PES11 is just too good for my "inferior" ability -- simple.

But of course, pretentious people like yourself, will read negative comments concerning a video game that they like, and what is their response? They pretend that the person whom is writing the negative criticism, is writing negative criticism because of his own inability to enjoy the game for what the game is to you.

You see, you like to pretend that you know things that you actually know nothing about, and you also happen to like PES11, just a coincidence I'm certain.

But me, I do not like to pretend when I can actually choose not to pretend, which is why I do not pretend that you must be a pretentious gamer for enjoying a video game that I think is pretentious.

It's your opinion, I'm not gonna describe you -- the gamer -- as a pretentious gamer; no, instead, I go for the actual video game, I actually describe the actual video game as a pretentious load of bullshit, and I give my reasons as to why this is, which are reasons that you can experience for yourself by simply playing the video game.

You on the other hand, are so very pretentious, that when you do not have an actual argument to counter an argument that you do not agree with, you just pretend that my ability as a gamer is the reason for my negative criticism: in your own my words, my criticism of the game aims to deflect attention away from my inability to master it.

So when I criticise the fact that it is impossible to move inside the space because it is only possible to move through space.... My criticism of the mentioned fact is written with the sole intention of deflecting attention away from my ability to master the video game that I am criticizing?

Seriously, do you actually think that I would actually write with the aim of deflecting attention from my ability as a gamer? I am not worried about my ability, I am very good at the game, and if I wasn't, I would say it loud and clear, mainly because I would not pretend that I am good at the game if I'm not, and secondly because my ability as a gamer means fuck all to my argument since my argument is based on a fact that has absolutely nothing to do with the ability of the user.

So again, the theory that you have invented in order to counter my argument and my opinion....

Who the hell gives a flying fuck about a pathetic theory that you invented out of thin air? How do you know that I am not good enough to play and enjoy PES11? Why do you even think that you need to be a skillful gamer to enjoy PES11?

Damn it you are stubborn! seriously, the meaning of hypocrisy, look it up.

Oh and by the way: my advice is that you go fuck yourself and also that if you don't have anything slightly informative to say that you shut the fuck up. Go buy yourself some common sense for fucks sake.

Here we go again.You never learn do you? You seem to place yourself on a pedestal above everyone because you seem to think you’re too good for the game. And everyone else who doesn’t agree or likes the game is dumb. Now lets ask ourselves if that holds up in the real world.

Seriously, you think about this for one minute junior and ask yourself if this weighs up You got someone like me who's been been to uni, graduated, and now reaps the reward of that through my occupational work every day which allows me to have my own place and do whatever the hell I want to do where I call the shots. People listen to me, while you have to pay to listen someone tell you what do. Then there’s the fact that you’rerjust some paranoid college bookworm who’s convinced that aliens rule earth who’ wants to call me dumb and act like your opinions are facts.

Let’s not even go into the fact you can;t ever stay on topic, let alone understand the point of a thread as you manage to derail it into one of trolling and pointless rants about pes11 which you’ve said over and over again. To be fair, you're just crazy and can’t help it so I don’t entirely blame you. You’re like the oddball guy who is sitting down in a waiting room with other people who are sitting quietly while nothing is happening and the guy then suddenly jumps out of his chair and starts raving and screaming ''they;re coming to get me, everyone this place is dangerous, can’t you see they’re coming, are you dumb they going to KILL US, '' like some madman, while everyone else just looks and stares with amazement at you like wtf is wrong with you? Eventually the other people soon realise it’s best to just humour you and pretend to agree so you think you’re right in your little world.

You ask me how I know you’re not good at the game? Well Someone who’s apparently good at the game doesn’t call their cousin up in a panic,and ask them to take their copy of the game away from them in order to avoid playing me. Someone who is supposedly good at the game doesn't rely on messi to do everything for them in the game and isn’t stupid enough to believe that just because messi’s mug is on the front cover of the game that’ it’s is all about him and his teammates. Someone who is good at the game doesn’t complain it’s too easy then shy away from playing against human gamers online or selecting top player option.

As for not being able to move through space in any direction we’ve been through this and when I wasted my time explaining to you why this isn’t a big problem where you’ve magnified the issue to the point where you’ve convinced yourself that it is a game breaker when it’s a small limitation, you ignore the counter points. I’ve destroyed your theories that you’ve written on the walls of your basement time and time again. Just like you were convinced that pro was dead without your 20 minute concept idea, you now seem to think the game is unplayable of because you can’t move into a different direction with the left analogue stick. I can see through your bullshit kid every step of the way. I just can;t be bothered to go into big long essays again with you only for you to run off and pretend I didn’t just make you look like a bitch.

Listen junior, this is not a theory I'm talking about, this is the reality of the situation. Someone who struggles to play and understand a game is most likely to dislike it because they can’t get their own way. If we read between the lines of your long repetitive boring moronic posts, complaining about the game, we see undertones of your dissatisfaction at not being able to get your own way like a spoiled child that gets cranky when it doesn’t get what it wants.. I read comments like ‘’ Messi can’t dribble past 4 players like he did in pes10’’ ‘’Messi is too sensitve’’ Messi isn’t individual enough and can’t turn quick enough’’ Messi this, messi that’’’ So that tells me you only play with one team, focus on one player, use the best team on the game, select the perfect condition arrows and still can’t win.

You see there is more to the game just winning with Barcelona. Where you from junior? Spain or England? The reason I ask is because I want to know if you’re a glory hunter which i suspect you are considering how you behave. I bet your from england but support Spain and probably moved there after they won the euro's and world cup.
 

InterAcMilan

Registered User
Here we go again.You never learn do you? You seem to place yourself on a pedestal above everyone because you seem to think you’re too good for the game. And everyone else who doesn’t agree or likes the game is dumb. Now lets ask ourselves if that holds up in the real world.

Seriously, you think about this for one minute junior and ask yourself if this weighs up You got someone like me who's been been to uni, graduated, and now reaps the reward of that through my occupational work every day which allows me to have my own place and do whatever the hell I want to do where I call the shots. People listen to me, while you have to pay to listen someone tell you what do. Then there’s the fact that you’rerjust some paranoid college bookworm who’s convinced that aliens rule earth who’ wants to call me dumb and act like your opinions are facts.

Let’s not even go into the fact you can;t ever stay on topic, let alone understand the point of a thread as you manage to derail it into one of trolling and pointless rants about pes11 which you’ve said over and over again. To be fair, you're just crazy and can’t help it so I don’t entirely blame you. You’re like the oddball guy who is sitting down in a waiting room with other people who are sitting quietly while nothing is happening and the guy then suddenly jumps out of his chair and starts raving and screaming ''they;re coming to get me, everyone this place is dangerous, can’t you see they’re coming, are you dumb they going to KILL US, '' like some madman, while everyone else just looks and stares with amazement at you like wtf is wrong with you? Eventually the other people soon realise it’s best to just humour you and pretend to agree so you think you’re right in your little world.

You ask me how I know you’re not good at the game? Well Someone who’s apparently good at the game doesn’t call their cousin up in a panic,and ask them to take their copy of the game away from them in order to avoid playing me. Someone who is supposedly good at the game doesn't rely on messi to do everything for them in the game and isn’t stupid enough to believe that just because messi’s mug is on the front cover of the game that’ it’s is all about him and his teammates. Someone who is good at the game doesn’t complain it’s too easy then shy away from playing against human gamers online or selecting top player option.

As for not being able to move through space in any direction we’ve been through this and when I wasted my time explaining to you why this isn’t a big problem where you’ve magnified the issue to the point where you’ve convinced yourself that it is a game breaker when it’s a small limitation, you ignore the counter points. I’ve destroyed your theories that you’ve written on the walls of your basement time and time again. Just like you were convinced that pro was dead without your 20 minute concept idea, you now seem to think the game is unplayable of because you can’t move into a different direction with the left analogue stick. I can see through your bullshit kid every step of the way. I just can;t be bothered to go into big long essays again with you only for you to run off and pretend I didn’t just make you look like a bitch.

Listen junior, this is not a theory I'm talking about, this is the reality of the situation. Someone who struggles to play and understand a game is most likely to dislike it because they can’t get their own way. If we read between the lines of your long repetitive boring moronic posts, complaining about the game, we see undertones of your dissatisfaction at not being able to get your own way like a spoiled child that gets cranky when it doesn’t get what it wants.. I read comments like ‘’ Messi can’t dribble past 4 players like he did in pes10’’ ‘’Messi is too sensitve’’ Messi isn’t individual enough and can’t turn quick enough’’ Messi this, messi that’’’ So that tells me you only play with one team, focus on one player, use the best team on the game, select the perfect condition arrows and still can’t win.

You see there is more to the game just winning with Barcelona. Where you from junior? Spain or England? The reason I ask is because I want to know if you’re a glory hunter which i suspect you are considering how you behave. I bet your from england but support Spain and probably moved there after they won the euro's and world cup.

Wow, talk about no lifer here.
You seriously wrote all that just to prove that you're wrong or right on the internet :no:
Anyway, my post was simple, i was just mad that they didn't improve them, that was my opinion, live with it, stop crying.
end of discussion, you can go back on topic now!
 

Ali

It is happening again
Wow, talk about no lifer here.
You seriously wrote all that just to prove that you're wrong or right on the internet :no:
Anyway, my post was simple, i was just mad that they didn't improve them, that was my opinion, live with it, stop crying.
end of discussion, you can go back on topic now!

You've not been on this forum long. Believe me..... these two are always bickering :rolleyes:
 
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