Pes 2015 is a scam!!!

Apart from the embarrassing gaps in gameplay, such as checking players who seem delayed (crazy lag in the response of the controls) and the defensive system that emulates the teams oratory, indeed even in oratory we see certain things, not counting arbitrage, that each (alleged) foul is constantly shown a card (I expulsions with replays clearly showed that intervention on the ball), the online game is disgustingly ALL PILOTED!!!!

I have a wired LAN to 20 mbps, 50ms ping, actual speedtest from 14 to 17 mbps, and only in the day today gave me 2 times DISCONNECT FROM MY WHILE I was winning, assigning me a defeat 3-0 FOR A TABLE AND ON DERATING VOTE IN COURTESY (one that indicates how many times you've disconnected) making me already difficult Matchmaking worse.

THIS IS NOT 'A GAME, IS A SCAM !!!!!!

I WILL WRITE THIS ON ANY SITE AND ANY FEEDBACK SPACE ON THE INTERNET!!!!! SHAME ON YOU KONAMI!!!! YOU STOLEN ME 40 €!!!

Games fine for me.

motherhen said:

Games fine for me.

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LMAO! Best reply ever!

OP, you just got served.

muscularmatt said:

LMAO! Best reply ever!

OP, you just got served.

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I don't think so, on PC this game is terrible. Passing is extremely limited, pathing is linear and awful, player control is at an all time low. AI and scripting in general is shocking.

That's not to mention online which is a complete (pardon my French) fucking shambles.

The worst PES since Pro Evolution Soccer on the PlayStation 2

F*CK_PES said:

Apart from the embarrassing gaps in gameplay, such as checking players who seem delayed (crazy lag in the response of the controls) and the defensive system that emulates the teams oratory, indeed even in oratory we see certain things, not counting arbitrage, that each (alleged) foul is constantly shown a card (I expulsions with replays clearly showed that intervention on the ball), the online game is disgustingly ALL PILOTED!!!!

I have a wired LAN to 20 mbps, 50ms ping, actual speedtest from 14 to 17 mbps, and only in the day today gave me 2 times DISCONNECT FROM MY WHILE I was winning, assigning me a defeat 3-0 FOR A TABLE AND ON DERATING VOTE IN COURTESY (one that indicates how many times you've disconnected) making me already difficult Matchmaking worse.

THIS IS NOT 'A GAME, IS A SCAM !!!!!!

I WILL WRITE THIS ON ANY SITE AND ANY FEEDBACK SPACE ON THE INTERNET!!!!! SHAME ON YOU KONAMI!!!! YOU STOLEN ME 40 €!!!

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This reminds me of one of my many rants on the Fifa forums.

Personally i am absolutely loving this game. Ofcourse it has its laggy moments online, but in general i feel i am finally again playing a footy game where skill comes before abusing advantages in the game and where i feel that me and my opponent determine te outcome of a game, not the scripting in the game.

Hence i totally disagree with this reply. I feel PES 2015 is worth every cent i spend on it.

Glock_NL said:

This reminds me of one of my many rants on the Fifa forums.

Personally i am absolutely loving this game. Ofcourse it has its laggy moments online, but in general i feel i am finally again playing a footy game where skill comes before abusing advantages in the game and where i feel that me and my opponent determine te outcome of a game, not the scripting in the game.

Hence i totally disagree with this reply. I feel PES 2015 is worth every cent i spend on it.

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have to agree with you there mate , i mean it has its faults and i was on the fence for a couple of weeks but i could sit here and knitpick over little things but in general the game is addictive and really exciting to play especially master league , i would call myclub a scam as iv'e spent about 600,000 gp which i earned in the first month on top agents and have a pretty good squad with high TS but all that gp and the best players iv'e got was lacazette so shows me i could buy over £100 worth of myclub coins and get absolutely f### all.

You can enjoy this game if You can totally ignore all the inconsistent, unfair and irrational events and repeated one-sided manufactured happenings in the match.

It is a game of making believe. You can enjoy it if You are a masochist and easy to be impressed by all the unnecessary gimmicks (faked difficulties) and marketing hypes.

If You are looking for a simple, impartial, consistent canvas of game play and solid physics simulation where the player has the total control You will be constantly frustrated with the unnatural artificial and rigid limits the game mechanics imposed on You at every moment of the match. This is the game filled with "WTF" moments.

This is a sport game where there was another invisible puppet master who can control You (or your input) at will. You are a puppet whose hands were tied to a string and the puppet master watched You play amusingly and with a malicious grin, pulling the string tying to your hands randomly and say: "Ooopsie!"

The puppet may think he has found the best football video game on Earth if he is unaware of the presence of the obnoxious master.

Sport game can be only enjoyable without a constant interruption and interference of "theatrical" or "manufactured on-rail events" in game design.

This game -with the claim of free flow pure simulation football game- actually feels much more on rail, ropey, arcade than ever with those hard coded rigid artificial game mechanics limitations imposed on player's control and outcome of the match.

princo45 said:

You can enjoy this game if You can totally ignore all the inconsistent, unfair and irrational events and repeated one-sided manufactured happenings in the match.

It is a game of making believe. You can enjoy it if You are a masochist and easy to be impressed by all the unnecessary gimmicks (faked difficulties) and marketing hypes.

If You are looking for a simple, impartial, consistent canvas of game play and solid physics simulation where the player has the total control You will be constantly frustrated with the unnatural artificial and rigid limits the game mechanics imposed on You at every moment of the match. This is the game filled with "WTF" moments.

This is a sport game where there was another invisible puppet master who can control You (or your input) at will. You are a puppet whose hands were tied to a string and the puppet master watched You play amusingly and with a malicious grin, pulling the string tying to your hands randomly and say: "Ooopsie!"

The puppet may think he has found the best football video game on Earth if he is unaware of the presence of the obnoxious master.

Sport game can be only enjoyable without a constant interruption and interference of "theatrical" or "manufactured on-rail events" in game design.

This game -with the claim of free flow pure simulation football game- actually feels much more on rail, ropey, arcade than ever with those hard coded rigid artificial game mechanics limitations imposed on player's control and outcome of the match.

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very good analysis but jesus christ mate you need to get out more or work for konami. again your'e high standards have distorted your vision on a fairly good game.

princo45 said:

The puppet may think he has found the best football video game on Earth if he is unaware of the presence of the obnoxious master.

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This quote is particularly priceless, haha! What an insane post! Man, a game should not be doing this to you. Take a break from it and find other things to do.

Rat Monkey said:

This quote is particularly priceless, haha! What an insane post! Man, a game should not be doing this to you. Take a break from it and find other things to do.

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Just another Konami's groupie blindsided by brand loyalty and The Emperor's New Clothes syndrome. Wake up from your hypnotized slumber. You should be illuminated with the Light of the Truth to see through the smokescreen of deception.

matthewjohn85 said:

very good analysis but jesus christ mate you need to get out more or work for konami. again your'e high standards have distorted your vision on a fairly good game.

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It is not a "fairly" good game at all. It is a good mood spoiling, swearing-while holding controller, cussing-when rage quitting, gamepad and wall (TV, LCD?) destroying, Peptic ulcer, hypertensive aneurysm inducing game.

Whilst I don't completely agree with princo's views, I can't deny that he puts his point across in an interesting manner.

princo45 said:

Just another Konami's groupie blindsided by brand loyalty and The Emperor's New Clothes syndrome. Wake up from your hypnotized slumber. You should be illuminated with the Light of the Truth to see through the smokescreen of deception.

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Not at all. I got bored of PES after 6. Decided to buy Fifa from 10 to 13, also bought PES in most of those years. Both games have been pretty dull and limited until PES 14 came out. I've no loyalty to either.

Besides, Your a loon. The utter nasty bitterness You have for this game is incredible. Your conspiracy theories about it are comedy gold, though. You constantly go on rants with pure poison about a game You evidently think is the spawn of satan. You are the masochist my Light of Truth friend, otherwise You would have burned this game along time ago and have moved on.

I can actually play the game and think its very good. THAT'S why I like it. Is it possible the Light of Truth is, is that you don't understand how to play football?

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Not at all. I got bored of PES after 6. Decided to buy Fifa from 10 to 13, also bought PES in most of those years. Both games have been pretty dull and limited until PES 14 came out. I've no loyalty to either.

Besides, Your a loon. The utter nasty bitterness You have for this game is incredible. Your conspiracy theories about it are comedy gold, though. You constantly go on rants with pure poison about a game You evidently think is the spawn of satan. You are the masochist my Light of Truth friend, otherwise You would have burned this game along time ago and have moved on.

I can actually play the game and think its very good. THAT'S why I like it. Is it possible the Light of Truth is, is that you don't understand how to play football?

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couldn't have put it better myself

Rat Monkey said:

Not at all. I got bored of PES after 6. Decided to buy Fifa from 10 to 13, also bought PES in most of those years. Both games have been pretty dull and limited until PES 14 came out. I've no loyalty to either.

Besides, Your a loon. The utter nasty bitterness You have for this game is incredible. Your conspiracy theories about it are comedy gold, though. You constantly go on rants with pure poison about a game You evidently think is the spawn of satan. You are the masochist my Light of Truth friend, otherwise You would have burned this game along time ago and have moved on.

I can actually play the game and think its very good. THAT'S why I like it. Is it possible the Light of Truth is, is that you don't understand how to play football?

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Call me loon all you like, but I am sure there are many other players who share the same view with me about this game.

Rat Monkey said:

Not at all. I got bored of PES after 6. Decided to buy Fifa from 10 to 13, also bought PES in most of those years. Both games have been pretty dull and limited until PES 14 came out. I've no loyalty to either.

Besides, Your a loon. The utter nasty bitterness You have for this game is incredible. Your conspiracy theories about it are comedy gold, though. You constantly go on rants with pure poison about a game You evidently think is the spawn of satan. You are the masochist my Light of Truth friend, otherwise You would have burned this game along time ago and have moved on.

I can actually play the game and think its very good. THAT'S why I like it. Is it possible the Light of Truth is, is that you don't understand how to play football?

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Nah man, for the PC (if Princo is referring to the PC) Princo is right (albeit his description was rather colourful), he is bang on the money. Anyone who likes this game is either easily pleased, completely thick or very young. Due to scripting and a serious limit to your overall control options via stone-age pathing the game has become a joke and player control is decreasing with each new game.

Ex. I have been playing PES since 1995, I also played competitively for a number of years so you could say I know my stuff. Well, I just played my 11 year old son a game on the PC, just to mention he has never played football games in his life, I was Arsenal and he was Real Madrid - all he did was bash the lob button (did I mention he doesn't know how to play?) and I could not, for the most part, get the ball off him - he has no clue about tackling, jockeying, passing, through-balls/lobs, tricks, skills, one-twos etc etc and he won 1-0. It was as though the computer won the game for him, even if he missed a ball there would be a computer player to close me down and return the ball to him - the game is a fucking scripted joke. I think current games are made for around his age group because he doesn't care about scripts or questions anything according to him it was a great game where he "kicked my ass". We then had a game of PES 2014 and the same happened only to a slightly lesser degree, I won 2-0 but the same shit was occurring (even though he'd miss the ball or mistime a lunge the computer would pick it up for him by overriding everything else). Then after that we had a game of PES 2013 and I won 10-0 (just bashing circle doesn't work so well here).

So yes scripting is rife now - how can older players be expected to put up with this shit? I tell you how, we simply don't ever buy the game and get it cracked and in doing so tell Konami to go fuck themselves, that they have forced our hand - you abandon us, we abandon you. They will put even less effort into next year's PC release but you know, I don't give a crap because I won't have paid. Konami need to learn you don't fucking get support for this shit!

They (Konami) go were the market is and the market is consoles.

fatehasfans said:

Nah man, for the PC (if Princo is referring to the PC) Princo is right (albeit his description was rather colourful), he is bang on the money. Anyone who likes this game is either easily pleased, completely thick or very young. Due to scripting and a serious limit to your overall control options via stone-age pathing the game has become a joke and player control is decreasing with each new game.

Ex. I have been playing PES since 1995, I also played competitively for a number of years so you could say I know my stuff. Well, I just played my 11 year old son a game on the PC, just to mention he has never played football games in his life, I was Arsenal and he was Real Madrid - all he did was bash the lob button (did I mention he doesn't know how to play?) and I could not, for the most part, get the ball off him - he has no clue about tackling, jockeying, passing, through-balls/lobs, tricks, skills, one-twos etc etc and he won 1-0. It was as though the computer won the game for him, even if he missed a ball there would be a computer player to close me down and return the ball to him - the game is a fucking scripted joke. I think current games are made for around his age group because he doesn't care about scripts or questions anything according to him it was a great game where he "kicked my ass". We then had a game of PES 2014 and the same happened only to a slightly lesser degree, I won 2-0 but the same shit was occurring (even though he'd miss the ball or mistime a lunge the computer would pick it up for him by overriding everything else). Then after that we had a game of PES 2013 and I won 10-0 (just bashing circle doesn't work so well here).

So yes scripting is rife now - how can older players be expected to put up with this shit? I tell you how, we simply don't ever buy the game and get it cracked and in doing so tell Konami to go fuck themselves, that they have forced our hand - you abandon us, we abandon you. They will put even less effort into next year's PC release but you know, I don't give a crap because I won't have paid. Konami need to learn you don't fucking get support for this shit!

They (Konami) go were the market is and the market is consoles.

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I don't care if you play competitive for a few years. The game has some scripting going on but not to a point where a veteran can be beaten by a first timer in the way you described it. The veteran must suck really hard for that to happen or the first timer is just very lucky. I'm really sorry man, can't help it.

EthanLionel said:

I don't care if you play competitive for a few years. The game has some scripting going on but not to a point where a veteran can be beaten by a first timer in the way you described it. The veteran must suck really hard for that to happen or the first timer is just very lucky. I'm really sorry man, can't help it.

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Oh, it's ok I was expecting this. To provide some more details, it was a 5 min match and all he did was use long ball and run and for the most part I was kept at bay, but his team where faster and stronger in every department, the goal came from more silliness, I threw the ball out from keeper to defender and he was closing me down, he was running behind me and I tried to quick-inside turn him (i.e wrong foot him) and this should normally work considering he was on the blind side but ofc the computer's outcome was that he somehow bumbled it off me and ended up one on one with the keeper and he just pressed shoot, the computer did the rest. I did have a few shots but the shooting is so bad that I either hit the crossbar 90% of the time or it ballooned over (using nearly no power).

You can say what you like but the game is broken. Like I said before in another thread there are some lovely touches and I really want to like the game but the glaring problems are simply too much to ignore.

Even how the computer plays compared to what human players are permitted is utterly ridiculous. Most of the time on high difficulty my players are slow and clunky while the computer just zips around and it just turns this on and off when it likes - that's not gameplay it is an Princo says "puppetry" and dunno about you but I'm no fucking puppet!

fatehasfans said:

Oh, it's ok I was expecting this. To provide some more details, it was a 5 min match and all he did was use long ball and run and for the most part I was kept at bay, but his team where faster and stronger in every department, the goal came from more silliness, I threw the ball out from keeper to defender and he was closing me down, he was running behind me and I tried to quick-inside turn him (i.e wrong foot him) and this should normally work considering he was on the blind side but ofc the computer's outcome was that he somehow bumbled it off me and ended up one on one with the keeper and he just pressed shoot, the computer did the rest. I did have a few shots but the shooting is so bad that I either hit the crossbar 90% of the time or it ballooned over (using nearly no power).

You can say what you like but the game is broken. Like I said before in another thread there are some lovely touches and I really want to like the game but the glaring problems are simply too much to ignore.

Even how the computer plays compared to what human players are permitted is utterly ridiculous. Most of the time on high difficulty my players are slow and clunky while the computer just zips around and it just turns this on and off when it likes - that's not gameplay it is an Princo says "puppetry" and dunno about you but I'm no fucking puppet!

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The way you described it, it was your fault. Definitely not scripted. That's a risky play you did there and you paid the price. After he got the ball from you, he should be able to score if he's one on one with your keeper.

fatehasfans said:

Nah man, for the PC (if Princo is referring to the PC) Princo is right (albeit his description was rather colourful), he is bang on the money. Anyone who likes this game is either easily pleased, completely thick or very young. Due to scripting and a serious limit to your overall control options via stone-age pathing the game has become a joke and player control is decreasing with each new game.

Ex. I have been playing PES since 1995, I also played competitively for a number of years so you could say I know my stuff. Well, I just played my 11 year old son a game on the PC, just to mention he has never played football games in his life, I was Arsenal and he was Real Madrid - all he did was bash the lob button (did I mention he doesn't know how to play?) and I could not, for the most part, get the ball off him - he has no clue about tackling, jockeying, passing, through-balls/lobs, tricks, skills, one-twos etc etc and he won 1-0. It was as though the computer won the game for him, even if he missed a ball there would be a computer player to close me down and return the ball to him - the game is a fucking scripted joke. I think current games are made for around his age group because he doesn't care about scripts or questions anything according to him it was a great game where he "kicked my ass". We then had a game of PES 2014 and the same happened only to a slightly lesser degree, I won 2-0 but the same shit was occurring (even though he'd miss the ball or mistime a lunge the computer would pick it up for him by overriding everything else). Then after that we had a game of PES 2013 and I won 10-0 (just bashing circle doesn't work so well here).

So yes scripting is rife now - how can older players be expected to put up with this shit? I tell you how, we simply don't ever buy the game and get it cracked and in doing so tell Konami to go fuck themselves, that they have forced our hand - you abandon us, we abandon you. They will put even less effort into next year's PC release but you know, I don't give a crap because I won't have paid. Konami need to learn you don't fucking get support for this shit!

They (Konami) go were the market is and the market is consoles.

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So what you've played competitively. I've never played football competitively myself because when I did play sports all that was available competitively was GAA football or hurling(Ireland). GAA football I did play competitively and has a lot of skills transferable to football(soccer) as they are very similar in lots of ways. I've won a championship final where I was the man of match. Got trials for my county team. Have played football(soccer) contantly with mates from when I was a little kid up to my twenties. I know abit myself bud about the realism of the game. Still doesn't prove my opinion is fact like you seem to be suggesting yours is, get over yourself.

I've played pes since 95 myself and also soccer games before that on the Amstrad 464 in 1988. That makes me more of a veteran in gaming terms than you. That proves absolutely nothing and makes me laugh when I see these "veteran" reviews of the game on the forum as if a computer game and how long you've been playin it shows how much you know. Talk about using any weak excuse to make yourself look more credible and you know for a fact what your talking about.

Your problem with Madrid is well documented in threads here and I've been pretty vocal about it being a problem myself. They are the only team that can do that though. They are too powerful, fast and their passing is too accurate when assisted. In saying that, if your losing to a kid who has never played a football game before, you must be dreadful. As for pes13, how easy lob through ball was defined the game. Ask anyone else on the forum. Every team could do it and everyone did it online, so your talking through your arse here. It was a plague in that game, only one team can do it like that in 15. So much for being a veteran, you sound like never played both games much.

The game is harder than it used to be. I can play it and find it very free to play, and can overcome the scripting in the form of momentum and so can others by learning the game and getting better. The other scripting is nowhere near as bad as you think it is or even exists.

fatehasfans said:

I did have a few shots but the shooting is so bad that I either hit the crossbar 90% of the time or it ballooned over (using nearly no power).

You can say what you like but the game is broken. Princo says "puppetry" and dunno about you but I'm no fucking puppet!

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You've been hitting the bar 90% of the time because your using advanced shooting. Advanced hits the ball high when pressed towards goal no matter how little power you use. The game is not broken. You don't even know what the controls are for the game, which makes it look like you haven't even played this game much at all to even judge it properly. I can only conclude myself from all your posts that your completely thick. You may not be a puppet but certainly are a muppet.:w00t Your more than welcome to think of me what you like.

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Your problem with Madrid is well documented in threads here and I've been pretty vocal about it being a problem myself. They are the only team that can do that though. They are too powerful, fast and their passing is too accurate when assisted. In saying that, if your losing to a kid who has never played a football game before, you must be dreadful. As for pes13, how easy lob through ball was defined the game. Ask anyone else on the forum. Every team could do it and everyone did it online, so your talking through your arse here. It was a plague in that game, only one team can do it like that in 15. So much for being a veteran, you sound like never played both games much.

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When I'm playing with my mates there's one of them who always fucking uses RM, and brags about "how fucking well he plays and how nobody get take the ball from him". Disgraceful.

I have videos in my laptop of goals I've scored in PES2013 after a 80 meter :triangle: + :circle: pass. Not one, not two, but dozens of them. It was kinda fun, but plain stupid.

The game is harder than it used to be. I can play it and find it very fun to play, and can overcome the scripting in the form of momentum and so can others by learning the game and getting better. The other scripting is nowhere near as bad as you think it is or even exists.

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As I've been saying for a long time now, this isn't a game for people without patience or that want a straight forward, easy going game. This takes time, practice, defeats and fails to master. It's up to each one of us if we want to suffer in order to succed, or if we want to play FIFA.

You've been hitting the bar 90% of the time because your using advanced shooting. Advanced hits the ball high when pressed towards goal no matter how little power you use. The game is not broken. You don't even know what the controls are for the game, which makes it look like you haven't even played this game much at all to even judge it properly.

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It is, but not to that degree.