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Summed up perfectly - the game asks you to break down the defence through skill rather than running faster. I also think that the benefit of faster players is reduced because the opposition sits deeper in this version.

I agree regarding the shooting - very solid and so reliant on the player, context and the stronger foot.

Thanks for giving your permission :no::no::no:

Maybe I should have titled the thread - "positives only". There are plenty of threads to gripe about what people don't like but plenty of people like the game and might want to discuss what is does well;)

Is it possible to have a thread that talks only about what people are enjoying about the game.;) I for one feel this is the best PES game since 2006 and probably one of the most fun Football games I have played. The core game play elements are solid and the AI is challenging enough to make...

Stripping back to core gameplay PES is the winner this year - passing on 2 bar assist is very good , shooting is reliable and solid. Best of all you do need to work to get a goal - the games are variable

they are absolute sh1t - My Avengers only come yesterday after being promised for Monday!!!

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Never know when you might need to go out:-) , maybe a naked Jessica Alba is running past the house? Also I'm getting older now - the turnaround time between feeling a log coming and needing to download is getter shorter every day!!

what if you need to have a shit at halftime - or need to go out somewhere?

This is not a bad idea , the quitter leaves the game at an agreed time , the winner records the win. Where is the issue?

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-09-18-pes-2013-review Probably the best review yet - decent site.

http://www.videogamer.com/xbox360/pes_2013/review.html Probably a better site - probably a review I would trust

Just seen that one as well - don't really trust either of these sites :happy: Quite enjoyed the demo - shooting seems a lot more reliable this year. Reviewers appear to "want" it be good - maybe they are being a little too nostalgic!!

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/ Not the most indepth review but the reviewer seems to be a PES Fan

NBA 2K is a quality series - I agree. It's intuiative and makes you try to use a "Basketball" mentailty when playing The reason I ask about FIFA is that I feel its very strong this year and encourages a "football" mentailty when playing (defending space, looking for runners and being patient).

have you played FIFA this year?

http://www.1up.com/reviews/review-pro-evolution-soccer-2012?pager.offset=1 I have played the demo and feel that this is a bit over the top - same site gave FIFA 12 an "A" Site is normally pretty good but they slate the game here - bit harsh in my opinion.

Another decent one http://uk.gamespot.com/ps3/sports/pro-evolution-soccer-2012/review.html?page=2

Pretty positive - looks like its getting there with the reviewers http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-09-29-pes-2012-review http://www.videogamer.com/xbox360/pes_2012/review.html