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Any official ratings yet?

The_whisper

The_whisper

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Do you guys know any source that has rated the final code apart from German sites?
Fifa 11 is getting scores thick and quick, CVG is giving it a whopping 97/100 !
 
wixon

wixon

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GamesTM have given PES2011 6/10.

There's no online source for this, and I can't post any scans. I saw it by looking over someone's shoulder at work!

Fifa wasn't reviewed in the same issue.
 
shaun7

shaun7

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Although it's fun to read reviews, trust me, DON'T TAKE THEM SERIOUSLY.
I mean fifa 11 a 97%? Really? Seriously?
The tackling system sucks, the AI cheats way too much, he can beat you easily and you can't do messi style dribbling to beat the AI, Individuality is still not evident enough to make an impact like having to search for a particular player in manager mode like I used to do in pes.
So HOW CAN IT BE A 97%? Is that what they call professionalism?

Anyway, it's just my take on reviews. I hate it when they don't see the flaws or skip them and only show the good points. ;)
 
wixon

wixon

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The thing that gets me is that most reviewers can't seem to like both Fifa AND PES. CVG have given Fifa 97%, which i'm sure will then mean they'll rate PES as a 65%-70% game (like last year). Fifa 11 is not a 97% game, and PES2011 is not a 65% game. The same goes for the 6/10 awarded by GamesTM. It really is ok to like both games; both have their plus points and negative points. But it seems that if a reviewer likes Fifa, then it automatically means they have to give PES a rating that is lower than it deserves (and vice versa).

The brief article about the PSM3 scores above seems slightly fairer to both games. But even then, PSM3 are notorious PES enthusiasts. It's hard to know what to believe anymore.

Anyone remember the 9.2 awarded to PES2008 by IGN??

The eurogamer review of Fifa 11 is an interesting read. Makes you wonder what they'll make of PES2011
 
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Blade1889

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wixon said:
The thing that gets me is that most reviewers can't seem to like both Fifa AND PES. CVG have given Fifa 97%, which i'm sure will then mean they'll rate PES as a 65%-70% game (like last year). Fifa 11 is not a 97% game, and PES2011 is not a 65% game. The same goes for the 6/10 awarded by GamesTM. It really is ok to like both games; both have their plus points and negative points. But it seems that if a reviewer likes Fifa, then it automatically means they have to give PES a rating that is lower than it deserves (and vice versa).

The brief article about the PSM3 scores above seems slightly fairer to both games. But even then, PSM3 are notorious PES enthusiasts. It's hard to know what to believe anymore.

Anyone remember the 9.2 awarded to PES2008 by IGN??

The eurogamer review of Fifa 11 is an interesting read. Makes you wonder what they'll make of PES2011
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I wouldn't be surprised if Eurogamer give PES 2011 a 6/10. They love to give controversial scores (4/10 for Mafia 2?) and they def slated PES last year.

As for Fifa reviews - I don't take a single one seriously!! Fifa has its fingers in so many pies now (Sky Sports being the biggest one) that you can guarantee they will get 9.5 and 9.7's from all the big sites. Call me cynical but far too many companies have a lot riding on Fifa sales for it to get bad reviews.

Having said that, I actually think Fifa 11 is a good game. Having played around 15 games I'd give it a 8.8 - 9.2 rating but there's no way it's a 9.7 game. Even PES 5 was only a 9.0 - 9.5 game at best. No game is that perfect.
 
The_whisper

The_whisper

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shaun7 said:
Although it's fun to read reviews, trust me, DON'T TAKE THEM SERIOUSLY.
I mean fifa 11 a 97%? Really? Seriously?
The tackling system sucks, the AI cheats way too much, he can beat you easily and you can't do messi style dribbling to beat the AI, Individuality is still not evident enough to make an impact like having to search for a particular player in manager mode like I used to do in pes.
So HOW CAN IT BE A 97%? Is that what they call professionalism?

Anyway, it's just my take on reviews. I hate it when they don't see the flaws or skip them and only show the good points. ;)
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You are right, I agree. EA is the moneybags in this business that can pull strings here and there to up their ratings.
But then again, I know so many people who were/are/will be biased towards Fifa reading such reviews.
 
wixon

wixon

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I think this is the first time for ages (possibly ever) where there are two genuinely good football games coming onto market. But two very different games, that have strengths in different areas. I'd like to read more reviews that recognise this fact, rather than simply dismissing one or the other.

Unfortunately, I think it would be naive to think that reviewers aren't paid off to write favourable reviews.
 
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charlie1983

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i never go by reviews anymore its the same as films there must be money handed out behind closed doors its all a con.
 
unclefredo

unclefredo

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I've been negative towards PES because I quite frankly am not convinced with the turn it's taken since next-gen. I'm finally sick of where they've taken the game from a game I adored. That aside, a comment on the 2 products.

Don't doubt the EA have a business acumen to promote their title far more so than PES but I don't believe that the reviews are just based on backhanders alone. However, I really think that many of the people on here have an inherent bias towards PES and do think too much of the latest offering. This is a PES site afterall!

I'm not doubting that PES has improved but there are still some really shoddy areas of the game - and I have some severe fears for online. Obviously FIFA is never a 97/100 - what does that even mean anyway?! To me though, it has become a very polished product, far more so than PES this year. The FIFA WC game spelled the end of my playing of PES2010, whilst this isn't a huge step away from that, it's an improvement.

Konami on the other hand don't seem to know where they are going with their product. Yes, the passing is a vast improvement, but aside from that - nothing has really improved. We're still talking about the bugs and the silly things - how were penalties not addressed is beyond me. You'd have to be a fool to defend Konami there and missing that out just shows a huge lack of commitment in delivering a polished product. I would stress that's not the only thing wrong with PES - as is the conversation in this forum. For me it clearly point to the conclusion that they are struggling with 2 factors - the current engine and the yearly deadline.

Say what you want about the gameplay in both - they both play quite differently, but what you have to credit FIFA, and criticise PES, for is doing the little things that bring together a really good offering.

Lets face it, neither PES nor FIFA, are truly offering an experience that is blowing our minds in gaming terms. They are not of the groundbreaking nature of your Grand Theft Autos. Konami have some good ideas, but keep putting them in, only to take them out. FIFA was a joke up until 09/10 but they've learnt their lesson and stuck with where their going - whilst admittedly doing nothing frilly. It's quite frankly unfair to say FIFA are using the licensing to justify the game nowadays. It has been a 3 year improvement that has made me finally give it credit.

I've said this year upon year though, we'll never get a truly revolutionary football game until someone takes the time to build one. That takes more than a year. We're all getting messed around here and it dismays me to see Konami release year upon year - I personally thought they were better than that. It's a money making machine for them too, make no mistake - do their other flagship titles get released every year? No - Metal Gear Solid being a perfect example. So my point is Konami are just as bad at leeching money off consumers with PES as EA are with FIFA. Konami did used to be about, and this is cliched, the love of the game. The release between ISS Deluxe and ISS 64 was almost 2 years - because there was little expectation. This franchise was adored by a small community. Now it has to be a competitor for FIFA's market share.

With that all being said, I think the reviews are about right, FIFA being slightly ahead of PES, simply because it's a more polished offering. Like I say, I don't like where PES has gone personally - I don't get that ISS/PES feeling anymore. At the same time acknowledge that they're trying to do something with it and obviously some people seem to like it.
 
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FIORE_FAN

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unclefredo said:
I've been negative towards PES because I quite frankly am not convinced with the turn it's taken since next-gen. I'm finally sick of where they've taken the game from a game I adored. That aside, a comment on the 2 products.

Don't doubt the EA have a business acumen to promote their title far more so than PES but I don't believe that the reviews are just based on backhanders alone. However, I really think that many of the people on here have an inherent bias towards PES and do think too much of the latest offering. This is a PES site afterall!

I'm not doubting that PES has improved but there are still some really shoddy areas of the game - and I have some severe fears for online. Obviously FIFA is never a 97/100 - what does that even mean anyway?! To me though, it has become a very polished product, far more so than PES this year. The FIFA WC game spelled the end of my playing of PES2010, whilst this isn't a huge step away from that, it's an improvement.

Konami on the other hand don't seem to know where they are going with their product. Yes, the passing is a vast improvement, but aside from that - nothing has really improved. We're still talking about the bugs and the silly things - how were penalties not addressed is beyond me. You'd have to be a fool to defend Konami there and missing that out just shows a huge lack of commitment in delivering a polished product. I would stress that's not the only thing wrong with PES - as is the conversation in this forum. For me it clearly point to the conclusion that they are struggling with 2 factors - the current engine and the yearly deadline.

Say what you want about the gameplay in both - they both play quite differently, but what you have to credit FIFA, and criticise PES, for is doing the little things that bring together a really good offering.

Lets face it, neither PES nor FIFA, are truly offering an experience that is blowing our minds in gaming terms. They are not of the groundbreaking nature of your Grand Theft Autos. Konami have some good ideas, but keep putting them in, only to take them out. FIFA was a joke up until 09/10 but they've learnt their lesson and stuck with where their going - whilst admittedly doing nothing frilly. It's quite frankly unfair to say FIFA are using the licensing to justify the game nowadays. It has been a 3 year improvement that has made me finally give it credit.

I've said this year upon year though, we'll never get a truly revolutionary football game until someone takes the time to build one. That takes more than a year. We're all getting messed around here and it dismays me to see Konami release year upon year - I personally thought they were better than that. It's a money making machine for them too, make no mistake - do their other flagship titles get released every year? No - Metal Gear Solid being a perfect example. So my point is Konami are just as bad at leeching money off consumers with PES as EA are with FIFA. Konami did used to be about, and this is cliched, the love of the game. The release between ISS Deluxe and ISS 64 was almost 2 years - because there was little expectation. This franchise was adored by a small community. Now it has to be a competitor for FIFA's market share.

With that all being said, I think the reviews are about right, FIFA being slightly ahead of PES, simply because it's a more polished offering. Like I say, I don't like where PES has gone personally - I don't get that ISS/PES feeling anymore. At the same time acknowledge that they're trying to do something with it and obviously some people seem to like it.
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Good read - thank you! :thumbsup:
 
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danzine

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some of you fan boys need to calm down so what if they rated fifa 97% and gave PES 67%, it is your opinion thats should matter to you AND ONLY YOURS, stop buying into this EA conspiracy theory
 
Stormrider

Stormrider

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FIORE_FAN said:
FIFA 11 gets 8.5 by ign.com. Didn't someone say the other day, that ign.com would score it 9.6 or something?!?!?
http://xbox360.ign.com/objects/060/060992.html
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ign uk gave Fifa 11 9.5 and american ign just scored it 8.5. That company has some serious issues nowadays. I remember in the past, when ign used to be great, how the scores between uk and american were pretty much inline with one another. Going from 8.5 to 9.5 is a huge jump and really shows the quality of the reviewers at their disposal. These days they're more interested in displaying half naked girls than reviewing games.

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Just finished reading 1up.com's review and it's the only 1 that makes any sense at all. Then I went and reread their reviews of Fifa 10 and Pes 2010 from last year and they were spot on. They were 1 of the very few who mentioned bugs from Fifa 10 and 1 of the very few who gave Pes 2010 a fair, unbiased chance. If anyone must go by a review this year then imo stick with 1up.com

Compare this to ign usa who says Fifa 11 is enormous fun and much more realistic than Fifa 10 but it should only deserve 8.5, which is less than what Fifa 10 scored. Makes absolutely no fuckin sense. Also g4 techtv's review (if you can even call it a review) of Fifa 11 is an absolute joke, you'd think EA wrote that themselves.
 
Athlon_

Athlon_

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I read the 97% review, and as I was reading I got the distinct impression they gave FIFA 11 97% a while ago and then basically spent the rest of the review trying to justify the score.

Saying a game is more or less the same as last years but with a few tweaks hardly justifys adding another 10% to the score.

The Manager Mode in FIFA 10 was diabolacle, most of the time teams like Chelsea and United are at the bottom of the league, and teams like Sunderland are getting into the Champions League. This happened every season when I played.

Also the feel of a PES is something FIFA will never get. PES is like a porsche, you feel whats going on in your fingers, FIFA is just numb and artificial.

And bare this in mind: PES is made by people who wanted to make a great football game - they may not always have succeded, but that is the aim. However FIFA is made by people who want to make money. In the long run, I know which is the one worth sticking with.

As for game reviews in general, I don't think you should put much faith in them anymore. Most of the review sites are now out to make money, rather than just review games.

A certain popular game site will give 9 out of 10 to almost anything, so if you're interested in a game, you should look for forums like this where people who have actually played it in depth give honest assessments. Or just get a demo and try it yourself.
 
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danzine

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Stormrider said:
ign uk gave Fifa 11 9.5 and american ign just scored it 8.5. That company has some serious issues nowadays. I remember in the past, when ign used to be great, how the scores between uk and american were pretty much inline with one another. Going from 8.5 to 9.5 is a huge jump and really shows the quality of the reviewers at their disposal. These days they're more interested in displaying half naked girls than reviewing games.

edit:
Just finished reading 1up.com's review and it's the only 1 that makes any sense at all. Then I went and reread their reviews of Fifa 10 and Pes 2010 from last year and they were spot on. They were 1 of the very few who mentioned bugs from Fifa 10 and 1 of the very few who gave Pes 2010 a fair, unbiased chance. If anyone must go by a review this year then imo stick with 1up.com

Compare this to ign usa who says Fifa 11 is enormous fun and much more realistic than Fifa 10 but it should only deserve 8.5, which is less than what Fifa 10 scored. Makes absolutely no fuckin sense. Also g4 techtv's review (if you can even call it a review) of Fifa 11 is an absolute joke, you'd think EA wrote that themselves.
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so you are mad because someone does not liek the samething you like ??
 
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JMTD

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Reviews mean nothing really. I never have and never will buy a game based on a review. COD get's great reviews, should I buy it? No, because I detest the game.

I'm not even a Fifa hater either, because I thought 10 was much better than Pro last year and 11 is pretty damn good. Rating it 97 is beyond ridiculous though. 100% is PERFECT. 97 i near on perfect and Fifa 11 isn't anywhere near perfect. No football game has ever been close to perfection. We've had some amazing games, but calling it perfect is stupid. I'd give Fifa 11 around the 88% mark or so, with Pro probably around 90%.

The fact is that I couldn't really care too much about this years reviews. For me, Pro Evo is back. It's back to what made it so amazing. I remember back during Pro 5/6 etc when the game was so fantastic, hard fought victories, last minute goals to snatch a draw in the rain, great build up play, great back and fourth matches, great feeling to the career mode,. And for me, that's all back here. It'd been lacking for the last two or three years, but IMO it's back (cant speak for the career mode yet of course). I'm back to fighting for victories, back to learning the game, back to truly feeling like I'm having a great and realistic match. I even get frustrated at the game sometimes, but it's a good frustration, it's not like Fifa where I get angry because certain things are downright ridiculous, it's an anger at wanting to perform better, which is in the player, not the game.

Fifa plays great, but it still doesn't give me the same amount of excitement and realism. Pro just makes me happy. I've sat and played the demo for hours on end, knowing once I get the full game, I'll be spending days nonstop on it, knowing I'll be playing it for months down the line. The problem with Fifa is that it doesn't play like that. Within a few weeks, I'm bored of Fifa. The same thing it's always had, it's just too easy to get the hang of. After a week, I know I'll be playing at the top level and dominating, I know I'll have little interest in playing anything other than the online mode. With Pro, I know I'll want to spend ages upon ages on the career mode just like the old days. I know with Pro that even after weeks of play, I'll still be learning and progressing with the play and that's what makes the huge difference between the two.

It's just my opinion. I think Fifa is great competition, but for me Pro is back to being at it's best.
 
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FIORE_FAN

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A danish site compare PES to FIFA this year. An ok article.
Hope you guys can Google translate it or something. Mentions good and not so good things about each, and he's quite spot on I think. He think they are very close to eachother i quality - but tends to lean towards PES for the more raw and real feel.
Anyways - here the link - see if any of you know how to google translate the intire page:
http://www.gamereactor.dk/artikler/80410/FIFA+11+vs+PES+2011/


The PES11 review from the same site:
http://www.gamereactor.dk/anmeldelser/80408/Pro+Evolution+Soccer+2011/

FIFA11 review - ditto site:
http://www.gamereactor.dk/anmeldelser/80344/FIFA+11/

Enjoy - quite a good read in danish anyways... :blush:
 
Stormrider

Stormrider

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videogamer.com just scored Pes 2011 7/10, which is the exact same score as last year, despite them saying shit like it's better, harder, more realistic, blah blah. Also he spent most of the time talking about Fifa 11 instead of Pes :no:. I don't think I've ever read such a biased review before. Ridonkelous lol

http://www.videogamer.com/ps3/pes_2011/review.html
 
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