any still play pes2009?

[bongplayer]

Well my PS3 got the red light at the moment so I am waiting for a new one.. but yah I used to play PES09.. and then switched to FIFA and then back to PES 09 and back to FIFA..

I am leaning more towards FIFA though.. yes PES does alot of things right but its become a real arcade fest lately, FIFA although slower and perhaps more "boring" is a better replication of the real sport (IMO) whereas PES is all about running towards the goal and shooting rather than tactics..I wish we would go way back to the days of PES03 when the pace was just a little bit slower.. PES09 is basically PES08.5

 

[Trevi]

I still play it at least once a week with other people in a league. I almost never play against the computer because it gets boring for me. Playing against people makes it much better. We have an edited league with players bought on a draft and teams created from scratch.

 

[Amateur]

Well my PS3 got the red light at the moment so I am waiting for a new one.. but yah I used to play PES09.. and then switched to FIFA and then back to PES 09 and back to FIFA..

I am leaning more towards FIFA though.. yes PES does alot of things right but its become a real arcade fest lately, FIFA although slower and perhaps more "boring" is a better replication of the real sport (IMO) whereas PES is all about running towards the goal and shooting rather than tactics..I wish we would go way back to the days of PES03 when the pace was just a little bit slower.. PES09 is basically PES08.5

Agreed.. the other day I was playing PES6 with my brother, we where playing 2 vs COM -and- it was fun for a while, it was harder and addictive as usual. We won most games by large margins; 3-0 or 6-0 scorelines.

Then we switched PES6 for PES09 -and- we still managed to win by large margins but.. it was so much easier, you have more space to run into, you have more time to think, and scoring goals becomes something of an "arcade fest" at times.

And fuck, the Defensive Play is so bad, everyone running after the ball as if their lives depended on it.

PES09 can be fun at times, it isn't exactly bad, but it just isn't Football.

 

[shaun7]

^I don't know, but I find pes 09 harder. I am playing pes 6 btw (as my 360 still isn't ready) and I admit that it had some good points that were missing in pes 09, but overall, pes 09 is better than 6 (my opinion). I really like the shooting in pes 09. It feels realistic. Although the running animation is not a good job in pes 09. I want that to change.
About the defence. Well, pes 5 was the best in defence. In pes 6, 08,09 the defence could have been better. Though in pes 09, the defending iis not bad. Maybe the tackles were easier to time in pes 6. I still think that the tackles could have been better in pes 09, but I have learned hpw to tackle properly and don't give away much fouls.

 

[Amateur]

^I don't know, but I find pes 09 harder. I am playing pes 6 btw (as my 360 still isn't ready) and I admit that it had some good points that were missing in pes 09, but overall, pes 09 is better than 6 (my opinion). I really like the shooting in pes 09. It feels realistic. Although the running animation is not a good job in pes 09. I want that to change.
About the defence. Well, pes 5 was the best in defence. In pes 6, 08,09 the defence could have been better. Though in pes 09, the defending iis not bad. Maybe the tackles were easier to time in pes 6. I still think that the tackles could have been better in pes 09, but I have learned hpw to tackle properly and don't give away much fouls.

I'm actually pretty good at Tackling in PES09, but the thing is that the movements are so bad, they feel even more "edgy" when you don't have the ball at your feet.

I agree with shooting, I also like PES09's Shooting better. But like most things in the game, there's something that ruins it. I think is the amount of Time and Space available, the Defenders are too slow in their reactions, and as a consequence scoring Goals lacks a certain feeling of Timing and Intensity.

Personally, I think PES6 is closer to a realistic "simulation" of Football. Whereas PES09 is closer to "arcade" game.

But I have to admit that the more I play PES09, the more I realize that Konami haves some good things in there. They should:

- Iron out the "arcade" feeling out from the game. That means no more rigid animations and movements. And more "free" Passing.

- They also need to introduce a LOT of Animations in both attacking and defensive play.

- Their Dribbling Concept should be changed as soon as possible. The "Dribbling Accuracy" and Dribbling Speed" Stats should be Divided into more Specific Stats -- Cutting the Ball, Shielding the Ball, Flicking the Ball, Step Overs, Body Feints, Nutmeg -- all different abilities, all individual attributes.

- We should feel a more significant difference between each player's Acceleration in the last third of the pitch. The game needs a lot more depth in that aspect, the changes in pace, standing still and suddenly going on a 100% sprint, etc, etc..

PS - I'm not that crazy about PES6 anymore.

 

[Red Owl]

I'm actually pretty good at Tackling in PES09, but the thing is that the movements are so bad, they feel even more "edgy" when you don't have the ball at your feet.

I agree with shooting, I also like PES09's Shooting better. But like most things in the game, there's something that ruins it. I think is the amount of Time and Space available, the Defenders are too slow in their reactions, and as a consequence scoring Goals lacks a certain feeling of Timing and Intensity.

Personally, I think PES6 is closer to a realistic "simulation" of Football. Whereas PES09 is closer to "arcade" game.

But I have to admit that the more I play PES09, the more I realize that Konami haves some good things in there. They should:

- Iron out the "arcade" feeling out from the game. That means no more rigid animations and movements. And more "free" Passing.

- They also need to introduce a LOT of Animations in both attacking and defensive play.

- Their Dribbling Concept should be changed as soon as possible. The "Dribbling Accuracy" and Dribbling Speed" Stats should be Divided into more Specific Stats -- Cutting the Ball, Shielding the Ball, Flicking the Ball, Step Overs, Body Feints, Nutmeg -- all different abilities, all individual attributes.

- We should feel a more significant difference between each player's Acceleration in the last third of the pitch. The game needs a lot more depth in that aspect, the changes in pace, standing still and suddenly going on a 100% sprint, etc, etc..

PS - I'm not that crazy about PES6 anymore.

Generally agree - particularly about the acceleration in the last third of the pitch - I have players like Odonkor and Maradona in my ML team, and I don't feel as if their acceleration is duly rewarded.

Also, the big thing for me about PES, I think you've missed out; defensive positioning - the amount of chances I have conceded, because the defence cannot do basic positioning, let alone a passable offside trap, is numerous. Luckily I am mastering the art of bringing out the keeper.

 

[Amateur]

Generally agree - particularly about the acceleration in the last third of the pitch - I have players like Odonkor and Maradona in my ML team, and I don't feel as if their acceleration is duly rewarded.

Also, the big thing for me about PES, I think you've missed out; defensive positioning - the amount of chances I have conceded, because the defence cannot do basic positioning, let alone a passable offside trap, is numerous. Luckily I am mastering the art of bringing out the keeper.

I don't have much problems neither Defending nor Scoring Goals. But I have to say that Defensive Play is too Boring and one-dimensional. There's so much more to defending.

As for "acceleration in the last third of the pitch" -- that's one of my main critics with PES09, it seems as though the "Pace" Stat is far more important than the "Acceleration" Stat.

I actually find Aguero a more dangerous player than Messi, because in PES09 "Pace" seems to be more important than "Acceleration".

If you get to see video clips of players like Romario, you'll see that although he doesn't haves a 6th gear like Thierry Henry -- Romario was probably faster than Henry in the last third or in "small spaces".

I think that's something that PES09 lacks, as I really don't feel that proper kick when changing from "slow pace" to "100% sprint".

And the "execution" feels very outdated and arcade-like. There is one control for running faster which is done by holding R1 and then tapping R2. First of all, the control is too complicated for such an important task. And secondly, the execution is very very arcade-like.

It works if you know how to use it, but it works in a very arcade-like manner. I think everything related to the "Changes in Pace" or Acceleration should feel a lot more natural and sensitive, and should depend more on Timing -rather- than on complicated controls.

 

[shaun7]

- Iron out the "arcade" feeling out from the game. That means no more rigid animations and movements. And more "free" Passing.

- They also need to introduce a LOT of Animations in both attacking and defensive play.

- Their Dribbling Concept should be changed as soon as possible. The "Dribbling Accuracy" and Dribbling Speed" Stats should be Divided into more Specific Stats -- Cutting the Ball, Shielding the Ball, Flicking the Ball, Step Overs, Body Feints, Nutmeg -- all different abilities, all individual attributes.

- We should feel a more significant difference between each player's Acceleration in the last third of the pitch. The game needs a lot more depth in that aspect, the changes in pace, standing still and suddenly going on a 100% sprint, etc, etc..

I think that's what pes needs. It will become the best football game ever.

 

[S-D-P]

no. the gameplay is nowhere near a simulation but if you lot prefer arcade games then i am sure you a raping it. I have been playing fifa 09 360 and pes 2009 on ps2, the best football games ever made.

 

[shaun7]

the gameplay is nowhere near a simulation but if you lot prefer arcade games then i am sure you a raping it.

:no:
It's nowhere near an arcade game. It is a bit arcade (football has become arcade lately) but it's not as arcade as pes 08. Pes 09 is leaning more towards simulation.

 

[Chimps]

Most of the issues that are listed on this thread can be sorted out by editing the players stats.

For the last few years the game hasn't changed that much, they just keep changing to what level stats are applied in the background of the game.

You can change the players stats to counteract this and get the game to play how you want it, if you know what your doing.

 

[o0okiato0o]

Generally agree - particularly about the acceleration in the last third of the pitch - I have players like Odonkor and Maradona in my ML team, and I don't feel as if their acceleration is duly rewarded.

Also, the big thing for me about PES, I think you've missed out; defensive positioning - the amount of chances I have conceded, because the defence cannot do basic positioning, let alone a passable offside trap, is numerous. Luckily I am mastering the art of bringing out the keeper.

If you're finding defensive positioning a problem you might want to try manual man-marking. I find that without it my fullbacks are running in to defend the box instead of defending the wings when there is clearly the COM moving to cross it in.

Also, in order to successfully perform an offside trap you might have to try using the strategy. I never use it but I am sure if it is used on the fly you're defenders will come forward.

And just a question about passing. Does anyone else have problems with passes not going to who you intended? Like sometimes I play really tight 1-2s and it never returns to the initial player. And also when I hold down pass to go long distance it goes to the wrong player in about a 45 degree angle to where i intended, who is behind an opposition COM who just steals it.

 

[S-D-P]

:no:
It's nowhere near an arcade game. It is a bit arcade (football has become arcade lately) but it's not as arcade as pes 08. Pes 09 is leaning more towards simulation.

it is more of a simulation but nothing compared to pes of 5-8 years ago, they are taking the game in the right direction but fifa is just simply the better game in my opinion so i dont play pes next gen anymore. I still enjoy the ps2 version though

 

[Amateur]

:no:
It's nowhere near an arcade game. It is a bit arcade (football has become arcade lately) but it's not as arcade as pes 08. Pes 09 is leaning more towards simulation.

Yeah, but the FACT you consistently allude is that -- Although PES09 is "tactical" in Intent, it is "arcade-like" in the Execution.

The Controls, the Movements -- the execution spells Arcade game, it isn't close to a Simulation.

Which is a good thing and a bad thing, because getting the execution right will be a challenge. But at the same time, it also shows the Potential, because even with the arcade-like execution, PES09 is still fun at times.

It can get much better, and Konami already used their "play-safe" card with PES09. So I'm hoping that PES 2010 is the start towards a more realistic interpretation of Football.

 

[shaun7]

Modern football is not like older football. Modern football has taken a step towards being more arcade. (Now I'm not saying this to cover up pes 09). But look at the players. They are faster, score more goals, and the movements all favour attack rather than defend.
Pes 09 is a little towards the arcade but for me, it's a good sign. It represents real football (still it can be better).
Fifa has it's good side, but overall, pes 09 is simply better in gameplay. Though the gap between them is not by many.
I like this actually becaus now, we football fans have 2 great football games.

 

[Amateur]

Modern football is not like older football. Modern football has taken a step towards being more arcade. (Now I'm not saying this to cover up pes 09). But look at the players. They are faster, score more goals, and the movements all favour attack rather than defend.
Pes 09 is a little towards the arcade but for me, it's a good sign. It represents real football (still it can be better).
Fifa has it's good side, but overall, pes 09 is simply better in gameplay. Though the gap between them is not by many.
I like this actually becaus now, we football fans have 2 great football games.

Who's to say what "Modern Football" is ??

As far as I know Boca Juniors plays classic Football, AC Milan plays classic Football, AS Roma plays classic Football, Italy doesn't plays this so-called "Modern Football" -and- so on.

Football cannot be labeled with just One Term, it's impossible. The Stats should dictate which type of Football each team plays, and unfortunately No PES to date has the proper Stats to do so.

And, not to sound offensive or anything.. But that's The most Limiting view I've read from you.

PES09 is much closer to "arcade" than to "simulation", simply because the execution is very arcade-like. Konami needs to iron out that arcade-feeling out of the game.

 

[shaun7]

^You didn't understand me.
i meant thatfootball nowdays, has become more arcade. The attack is more important than defence, when in classic times, the defence was more important.
Take italy for example. They are focusing much more on attacking rather than defending. This can be seen with youngsters. The amount of good defenders is less than the amount of good midfileders and attackers. Everyone is just focusing more on attack.
But I agree that pes needs alot more abilities to really define football.

 

[byondthought]

yup i still play pes2009, but for half as long and mostly 2v2... some of my mates still prefer it as they cant get to grips with fifa...

 

[S-D-P]

one of the many things fifa has over pro is you can dictate the pace of a game where as in pro every game feels similar and there seems to be a fundamental fast pace which i don't like. I played pro for a month straight and enjoyed its just i prefer pure simulations so fifa is the game for anyone who feels like i do.

 

[doyin]

one of the many things fifa has over pro is you can dictate the pace of a game where as in pro every game feels similar and there seems to be a fundamental fast pace which i don't like. I played pro for a month straight and enjoyed its just i prefer pure simulations so fifa is the game for anyone who feels like i do.

soo true. the simulation in FIFA09 is perfect