BAL Relegation

[Blade1889]

I just came to the final game of my BAL season. I'm at Hull and we needed to win to stay up. We were winning 2-1 until the 92nd min and Everton equalised :realmad:

It meant we finished 19th, and were relegated. I was gutted, but thought I'd at least be playing against easier opposition the following season.

When the new season started Hull were still in the top league???? So you can't be relegated on BAL I guess? That just seems stupid to me and ruins the realism of the game.

I hope they fix the problem for 2010!

 

[stottmeister]

yes, i never got this far with BAL but i would have thought it would follow master league rules, with a div 2.

 

[benny400]

I just came to the final game of my BAL season. I'm at Hull and we needed to win to stay up. We were winning 2-1 until the 92nd min and Everton equalised :realmad:

It meant we finished 19th, and were relegated. I was gutted, but thought I'd at least be playing against easier opposition the following season.

When the new season started Hull were still in the top league???? So you can't be relegated on BAL I guess? That just seems stupid to me and ruins the realism of the game.

I hope they fix the problem for 2010!

I know, it is one of the worst things about BAL, and its a real shame as it is alot of fun.

I can't see them fixing this, as they would need 4 or 5 division 2 leagues for Bal due to your player being able to transfer to different leagues. I don't even think that the game will have enough teams to make 4 division 2's consisting of 8 teams in each. Still, its not the end of the world, but v annoying none the less.

 

[Blade1889]

I know, it is one of the worst things about BAL, and its a real shame as it is alot of fun.

I can't see them fixing this, as they would need 4 or 5 division 2 leagues for Bal due to your player being able to transfer to different leagues. I don't even think that the game will have enough teams to make 4 division 2's consisting of 8 teams in each. Still, its not the end of the world, but v annoying none the less.

It certainly doesn't ruin the game but it does take away a lot of the realism and tension. It means that if I'm at a team who are in the bottom three at the end of next season I won't be bothered if we lose a few games because I know I won't be relegated.

I think one of the ways to rectify this could be to be released by your club if you're relegated. The club could even say they are releasing you to cut costs. This way you would need to find a new club for the next season and you would actually feel the need to finish outside the bottom three otherwise you would have to leave your club.

 

[stottmeister]

and then you could face them the following season with your new team and take pleasure in bagging a hat-trick as a thankyou for releasing you as if it was your fault.

 

[benny400]

Blade- yeh i think thats probably one of the best ideas to get round it. still, I bet you they won't implement anything like this, let alone division 2's.

stottmeister- lol, that would be sweet

 

[Blade1889]

Blade- yeh i think thats probably one of the best ideas to get round it. still, I bet you they won't implement anything like this, let alone division 2's.

stottmeister- lol, that would be sweet

And that's one of the things that really infuriates me about Konami sometimes :realmad:

It's obviously a problem that I noticed straight away and yet it took me 5 minutes to think up a solution. There's supposedly 200+ employees working for Konami so why can't they think of a solution???

Then again, I might buy PES 2010 and find out it's all fixed so I'll wait a couple more weeks before I pen my complaint letter to Konami Ltd

 

[Ravex]

Do a lack of relegation and a second league make the game less realistic? Yes, it does.

Is it viable to have a second division for all four leagues in the game? No.

You say you spent 5 minutes thinking up a solution, how about you spend another 5 minutes thinking up a way to implement about 80 new teams into the game without subtracting from it as it is (because the game itself isn't small by any means).

Also, licensing costs money. To license four more leagues would cost A LOT of money.

I'm not a math genius, nor do I have any numbers in my head but follow me into the realm of guessing and estimating.

If they implement four more leagues and 80 more teams into the game, it would double the size that the teams take up in the current game. The game as it is now is on a single DVD worth of 7.5gigs of stuff. Increasing the number of teams might mean we're talking about double DVDs with upwards of 11gigs of stuff.

More DVDs means a higher cost.

A solution to this? Charge more for the game. But then it would cost more than FIFA10 and that isnt acceptable. Also, the fans would complain.

Its easy to sit and say that things could be done this and that way but you have to give it a little more thought. If everyone had unlimited funds and knowledge/resources at the office, every game would be perfect.

And there's a not a single game that is perfect. Nor will there ever be one.

 

[benny400]

Do a lack of relegation and a second league make the game less realistic? Yes, it does.

Is it viable to have a second division for all four leagues in the game? No.

You say you spent 5 minutes thinking up a solution, how about you spend another 5 minutes thinking up a way to implement about 80 new teams into the game without subtracting from it as it is (because the game itself isn't small by any means).

Also, licensing costs money. To license four more leagues would cost A LOT of money.

I'm not a math genius, nor do I have any numbers in my head but follow me into the realm of guessing and estimating.

If they implement four more leagues and 80 more teams into the game, it would double the size that the teams take up in the current game. The game as it is now is on a single DVD worth of 7.5gigs of stuff. Increasing the number of teams might mean we're talking about double DVDs with upwards of 11gigs of stuff.

More DVDs means a higher cost.

A solution to this? Charge more for the game. But then it would cost more than FIFA10 and that isnt acceptable. Also, the fans would complain.

Its easy to sit and say that things could be done this and that way but you have to give it a little more thought. If everyone had unlimited funds and knowledge/resources at the office, every game would be perfect.

And there's a not a single game that is perfect. Nor will there ever be one.

You have the maths completely wrong mate. When i said Division 2's, i meant like in the Master League- a Division 2 consisting of 8 teams.

Like in Master League there are around 14 teams (i believe) which can be implemented into a single division two. You then decide which 8 to put in. So to make another 3 or 4 Division 2 leagues (cannot remember how many leagues will be in this years game), which would be needed for both BAL and Master League ,would mean another 24 or 32 teams. Not 80.

Of course then there are already quite a few small licenced teams, so i would imagine that the amount of excess licenced teams within the game already would incorporate nearly 2 Division 2's. That isn't bad. Then of course there are a number of editable teams which Konami put in every year. These too can easily be incorporated.

I wasn’t, and I don't think the other guys on this thread were asking for fully licensed Division 2 leagues, let alone 4 fully licenced Division 2's consisting of 20 teams in each. I agree with you there, that would be impossible to implement, and a ridiculous ask from Pes fans. However, to add 4 more leagues of 8 teams (and by no means do they need to be licenced) I really don’t think it’s an impractical and impossible task.

 

[Blade1889]

Do a lack of relegation and a second league make the game less realistic? Yes, it does.

Is it viable to have a second division for all four leagues in the game? No.

You say you spent 5 minutes thinking up a solution, how about you spend another 5 minutes thinking up a way to implement about 80 new teams into the game without subtracting from it as it is (because the game itself isn't small by any means).

Also, licensing costs money. To license four more leagues would cost A LOT of money.

I'm not a math genius, nor do I have any numbers in my head but follow me into the realm of guessing and estimating.

If they implement four more leagues and 80 more teams into the game, it would double the size that the teams take up in the current game. The game as it is now is on a single DVD worth of 7.5gigs of stuff. Increasing the number of teams might mean we're talking about double DVDs with upwards of 11gigs of stuff.

More DVDs means a higher cost.

A solution to this? Charge more for the game. But then it would cost more than FIFA10 and that isnt acceptable. Also, the fans would complain.

Its easy to sit and say that things could be done this and that way but you have to give it a little more thought. If everyone had unlimited funds and knowledge/resources at the office, every game would be perfect.

And there's a not a single game that is perfect. Nor will there ever be one.

You have obviously misunderstood me or not read my comment properly Ravex.

My solution was that if your team get relegated then you are released by them (maybe with a club statement saying the squad needs to be trimmed for Div 2). You are then a free agent and get offers from other teams. The three teams at the bottom of the league your in then get relegated and are replaced by 3 more teams.

This would mean Konami would only need to add 3 more teams (or 12 if you include all 4 legaues) to the current BAL. I don't think that's a big ask! You could even have the same 3 teams that are relegated, promoted the following season.

That would make the game far more realistic and it is very easy to do. In fact, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think PES 2009 already has enough teams to make this possible (If you include PES United etc).

 

[Sabatasso]

I honestly think it's pathetic that Konami has not yet implemented a decent league system into the game tbh. It isn't hard and it would only make the game better.

For all I care they could release a game with a 4x 3 division leagues with all fake names.
The community easily fix player looks and stats anyway.
This would make BAL and ML have a decent and "real" difficulty ladder aswell.

 

[Ravex]

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You're right. I probably did misunderstand you both and I'm sorry. And I agree, that would actually work quite well.

But then there would be the neverending issue of choice and what teams to implement.

Of course, you could go for popular opinion (do a Poll or whatnot) or just choose the best teams in the second divisions. But there would still probably be a few fans complaining on the lack of a specific team.

Anyhoo, if you replace the random teams in the second divison of the master league with actual second division teams and implement this division system in BAL aswell (this is, as far as I understand, what you meant more or less) then yeah, I agree that it would work. And it wouldn't be too much to ask for, nor would it be very hard to do.

BAL was rushed, very rushed. I think KONAMI can do a lot of things with BAL if they give it the time it deserves.

 

[Rasmus]

Eh isn't it obvious that you don't find yourself ending in a lower league since non of the lower leagues are included in the game? (segunda division etc.) You'd expected them suddenly being there in BAL mode ? Good one

 

[Sabatasso]

Eh isn't it obvious that you don't find yourself ending in a lower league since non of the lower leagues are included in the game? (segunda division etc.) You'd expected them suddenly being there in BAL mode ? Good one

you clearly missed the point here dude, we don't expect anything, we wish for, hope for and can't really believe it isn't in the game when it's actually pretty simple to implement and would only enhance both the ML and BAL experience.

 

[Blade1889]

Eh isn't it obvious that you don't find yourself ending in a lower league since non of the lower leagues are included in the game? (segunda division etc.) You'd expected them suddenly being there in BAL mode ? Good one

To echo Sabatasso, you completely miss the point Rasmus!

You say "lower leagues aren't included in the game" and yet you start in Div 2 when you play Masters League!! All we're asking for is relegation from BAL. I don't think it's a big ask is it?

 

[Rasmus]

Alright then. Just thought you wanted every lower league to appear. Like la segunda, serie b etc. But you just want a div 2 consisting of the teams you've not included in the 1 divisions? In that case i take my words back. Sorry guys. Misunderstood. My bad
By the way - didn't know you were talking about features to include in pes 2010 - this is the 2009 forum
The first post in this thread it just sounds like you're susprised that no second division appeared when you finished last in the league. Cheers

To echo Sabatasso, you completely miss the point Rasmus!

You say "lower leagues aren't included in the game" and yet you start in Div 2 when you play Masters League!! All we're asking for is relegation from BAL. I don't think it's a big ask is it?

In "lower leagues" i mean autistic lower leagues. la segunda, serie b etc..

 

[Ravex]

Yeah we went through that and it's obvious issues.

Personally, I do hope for a minimized second division to BAL like the Master League has because it makes it so much more interesting and real. However, I dont think it should be done the way ML does it now.

There needs to be a few Second Division teams from all the major leagues if this is going to sell. But which teams.. thats the question.