Bought the game at midnight, returning it tomorrow!

[Amateur]

Amateur, I see what you're saying.

I still use the d-pad to play the game. I just can't get used to playing with the left stick - old habits etc. In previous PES games you could still perform special moves by using the r1/r1/l1/l2 buttons. However, in PES 2011 if you want to pull off special moves then you have no choice but to use the sticks - sometimes a combination of both. I just can't do it unfortunately. My left thumb has a brain of it's own and won't move from the d-pad. Maybe I'm old fashioned but I would have much preferred PES 2011 sticking to the control settings of pes 2010 and previous versions.

That explains why you think that PES6 and PES10 are better than PES11.

The analogue is much better than the d-pad, the d-pad does not has range of movement... which makes it impossible to actually dribble with the ball.

At the same time, the left analogue stick is not responsive enough nor precise enough, because the left analogue stick is restricted by the d-pad roots or limitations.

It's funny, that by trying to keep a certain d-pad feel, they might be doing the exact opposite... because that is the reason for why the left analogue stick is unresponsive and sluggish.

This is why, the general opinion is, that the D-PAD is responsive but arcade, and that the LEFT ANALOGUE STICK is regarded as unresponsive but simulation...

You should not listen to that, that is a load of bullshit, the left analogue stick is unresponsive and sluggish and as ARCADE as it can possibly be... because it functions like a d-pad.

The idea that UNRESPONSIVE and SIMULATION are one and the same, is a great misconception, it is a lie; EA Sports sold the idea of "360 DRIBBLING" when in fact it is 360 RUNNING... it is a 360-axis d-pad concept, it is NOT a 360-axis analogue concept.

Big difference that goes unnoticed by 99% of the fans.

I don't know why people are wasting time on this bs. Remember when we have to play soccer in nes or super nes or even playstation? looks crappy now but we weren't complaining about how realistic it should be. This is just a video game, to have fun and waste some time. Game developers work with what they have, if they didn't add something or fixed something is because it cannot be done. They are also limited because they can only use so much memory. Both games are fun but it's you who decides which one to play, and trust me on this one, we need both games out there, because they keep competing with each other making them better every year. If u want to feel realism, then go outside and kick a ball.

Listen,

I payed a lot of money for my PS3 console... I hope you can understand that I want my money's worth, I want a PS3 game, I do not want a PS2 game with nice graphics and animations and couple of details here and there.

Your argument makes you look like a naive or ignorant consumer, you think certain things CANNOT be done... WHY do you think that it cannot be done?

WHY do you think that? When KONAMI themselves have told us, that PES11 should have been PES08?

Does the FACT that KONAMI said that PES11 should have been PES08... Does that not tell you something? What do you think Konami will do in 5 years time?

Don't be naive and ignorant and conveniently use the excuse that "PES is only a video game" to justify your ignorance: PES is a BUSINESS.........

Konami wants your MONEY, and when there is MONEY involved, it means that it is serious and should be taken seriously.

And because WE, CONSUMERS, FINANCE the video game; we have every right of expressing the fact that they are adding cheap details to a very outdated concept.

Yes there are limitations, we have a total of 10 fingers, the control has a total of 11 buttons; there will always be limitations.

But Konami and EA Sports using the very same D-PAD CONCEPT that was used in video games like PES5 and PES6... is not a limitation that I consider acceptable in year 2010, let alone year 2011.

In my opinion, PES10 is what PES08 should have been, and PES11 is what PES09 should have been.... KONAMI themselves have ADMITTED this; the only difference is that KONAMI said that PES11 should have been PES08.

When KONAMI admits that PES11 should have been PES08, the words of SEABASS; how can you say that certain things cannot be done when KONAMI is saying to you that PES11 should have been PES08?

If Konami is saying that PES11 should have been PES08, this tells me that there are plenty of things that are yet to be done.

And what have they not done yet?

They are still using a D-PAD CONCEPT... They UPDATE the D-PAD CONCEPT on a yearly basis... and when they run out of details/updates, they will be forced into REPLACING the outdated d-pad concept.

In a couple of years they will expose the underlying flaw, and they will replace the D-PAD CONCEPT with an ANALOGUE CONCEPT; and people will get to see why the d-pad was and currently is, such a massive limitation...

It's constructive criticism, I enjoy playing PES10, and I will definitely enjoy playing PES11 because PES11 makes better use of the LEFT ANALOGUE STICK.

But the fact remains, that the game is currently restricted by the remaining d-pad roots: the left analogue stick should not be restricted by the limitations of a completely different button.

If u want to feel realism, then go outside and kick a ball.

That's like saying, if you want real freedom, then go buy a pistol and shot yourself in the head.

It's completely pointless and completely negative. Do you have an actual point or was that it?

This is the great problem that we face in the 21st century: people are forgetting how to think and how to communicate, because today, it's all about MONEY, MONEY, MONEY... and cheap things produce more PROFIT for the CORPORATIONS.

And CORPORATIONS and GOVERNMENTS, love it, when they know that the people who FINANCE their BUSINESS... do not know why the flaws exist.

And the vast majority of us, human beings, only seem capable of agreeing or disagreeing, but rarely actually talk or communicate... the ability of THINKING is deteriorating at a very alarming rate; and this means great BUSINESS for the CORPORATIONS and for the GOVERNMENT and anything that has anything to do with MONEY.

We, human beings, are so dependent on MONEY... that we encourage CENSORSHIP, and that very CENSORSHIP that we encourage and pay for, is used against us by the very people whom are rich because of us.

I pay for PES, and I want PES to continue improving, I want my money's worth, I want a quality drug; I do not want to play PES15 and find out that the game is still restricted by the D-PAD CONCEPT that was used in PES5 and PES6.

I can see that you disagree with me; cool... I also disagree with you.

If you don't care then why are you posting on this thread? People are rationally discussing things they dislike about the game with good explanations, a lot of them I agree with, and you post rubbish like that's basically just idiotic abuse?

That's what we don't have anymore, rationality... today is all about I agree, I disagree, I don't care.

Don't ask them WHY because they have no idea why and can't be bothered with actually THINKING about it... No, that's too much work; today is all about, I agree, I disagree, I don't care, why? because I say so.

 

[Damo7]

Amateur.......its just a game fella. Chill out :O)

 

[Amateur]

Amateur.......its just a game fella. Chill out :O)

Dude, for all you know I could be watching online porn at this very moment.... how the fuck can you tell me to "chill out" when you do not even know my current state because you cannot actually see me nor hear me?

COMPUTERS have been around for less than a century... and already you can notice the decadence, MIND CONTROL and CENSORSHIP all over the place; that's a fucking gold mine, dude.

But yeah, I guess I agree with you; I should chill out... thanks for the valuable advice, I almost lost it back there.

 

[Just!cE]

I wish we can return games for a full refund in my country lol. We can only sell it back to them for like 60% of what it's worth which they will then sell again for 95% of the retail price. Quite a ripoff lol.

In the U.S. if it's a PC game and it's opened there are NO RETURNS.

 

[Coshy01]

It's sounds like to me that the problems your having is down to human control!
Not the fact the game is crap,

Pes king of football this year! Hands down!

 

[Amateur]

I have a simple question,

How do the L2 STRATEGIES work in PES 2011? Do we still have 4 on-the-fly strategies like in PES10? Or has the number of on-the-fly strategies been reduced to 2 or 3?

 

[unclefredo]

True PES fans will never accept FIFA

This is the reason we get so many people on here accepting what, in my opinion, is a shadow of what PES should be.

I don't know what a "true" PES fan is? Perhaps it's someone who actually can't be objective enough to evaluate the game on it's merit as opposed to some bias, pre-conceived judgement. If so, then I am not a true PES fan. I however wouldn't have touched FIFA with a 10-ft barge pole back before the next-gen releases.

I'll always fondly remember PES as the best football game out there, but quite simply, it's not anymore. So much so for me, I can't play it. My heart is still with the game, as I want it to come back to it's former glory, but for me FIFA is far better this year and I can no longer accept the broken promises from Seabass & co.

Quite sadly, I am passionate about PES and I really want this to be the game it should be - but it's not. Were people complaining about PES6 like this? No - it was about as good as you could get on the older platforms. The difference now is that we're not guaranteed a significant improvement anymore. From the very start a new release has pretty much made the former version redundant. This isn't true anymore. I still keep PES6 because, sadly, it's more fun to play than any of the newer PES's. The only things it lacks are tweaks to the gameplay and presentation.

I'm actually happy to hear the negative comments on here because, like I say, I hate the PES now - as it's so detached from the the game I used to know. The sooner this lot are out of the development team, the better.

 

[watty1877]

Still maintain after years of buying both games that FIFA is a game for those folks that find PES too hard.

I buy FIFA every year in a vain hope it will give me some kind of challenge, and I'm not saying PES is perfect... It's not by a long way but at least you have to learn and adapt to the game each and every year it's released. You play one FIFA, you can play em all.

 

[kopite77]

Too much blind faith in this years version by some PES fans. If you'v got the old(er) versions then put them in your PS3 (or even your PS2) and you'll see how backward this year's instalment is. Sometimes I think that if we were given a box of turd but wrapped in a PES glossy cover we would eventually claim it as a piece of genuis work!

 

[kopite77]

After all the negatives from me here’s one positive. I finally played the game online last night. Played about 10-15 matches with no lag at all – maybe because I played from about 1am till about 4am so it was off peak times maybe?

But my overall view has not changed. PES 2011 is probably the worst title in the series in a long time. ‘Engineered for freedom’ my arse!

 

[fatlad9]

I'm a casual gamer, and rarely play games more than 2 hours a week. At this time of year i play a lot but thats because we have 2 new games.

Normally I do end up playing FIFA more than PES, and have done since PES 5.

To be honest, I wasn't going to buy this years PES as having wasted money on 2008, 2009, 2010 I felt slightly violated!

But after a week of FIFA, I was starting to get bored. It really was just FIFA World Cup with club teams.

So I got PES 2011, and I must say, I really am enjoying it... the passing is really good in my opinion, and playing different formations and strategies actually feels like it makes a difference to the game.

This is the first time I've preferred PES in a long time. I suppose January / February will be the telling time, as by then I will have sold one of the 2 games.

 

[unclefredo]

Still maintain after years of buying both games that FIFA is a game for those folks that find PES too hard.

Absolutely true in the past but absolute nonsense now. I don't think I'm alone in playing PES on Top Player and winning 90% of the games, even with a mediocre side. FIFA is pretty much the same.

But I s'pose if it make you feel that you're better than someone who plays FIFA, just keep thinking that.

 

[Dabeeds]

PES is shite , its an improvement over last year but nothing much, and FIFA is crap too , im sad that we can't even get 1 decent football game at this time with this technology , pathetic.

Exactly. I already started editing WE9 again. But this is what i've come to expect anyways, so i was well prepared.

 

[DAIR]

All comes down to personal views.

No amount of negative feedback will put me off of what I deem to be a great game.

Simple as that.

 

[vietfan09]

Just pick one and play , and be cool.

 

[Dundon's]

All comes down to personal views.

No amount of negative feedback will put me off of what I deem to be a great game.

Simple as that.

Then you've never played a proper football game mate because there's no way on this Earth that PES20011 warrants a compliment that describes it as being "great".

Love is blind.

 

[DAIR]

Then you've never played a proper football game mate because there's no way on this Earth that PES20011 warrants a compliment that describes it as being "great".

Love is blind.

Thats True. Love is blind.

Heres something else you need to know. What you've said is an OPINION. Not FACT!

I believe it to be "Great"...... Others will obviously feel differently.

 

[Damo7]

I really don't understand some of the hate in these comments just because someone likes the game or somebody doesn't? Yes, praise or slate the game, but if someone has a different opinion then let them have it

I have both games. Neither is amazing, but both have good points and bad points. Its early days at the moment, and I don't even think about saying its the best or worst in the series until a few months into it.

I remember thinking PES5 was average at first.....3 months later it was the best football game ever.

Anyway enjoy whatever game you prefer and smile :lol:

 

[Raggy]

for the past few years. I do not like fifa. this pro evo needs patience lol But to be honest I am getting used to it. Passing is bloody GREAT this year. Just getting used to it. I scored my 1st free kick lol and you can not run with the ball from one half to the other because you get tackled ... So more passing and less dribbling. you will get used to it.

 

[peru82]

That explains why you think that PES6 and PES10 are better than PES11.

The analogue is much better than the d-pad, the d-pad does not has range of movement... which makes it impossible to actually dribble with the ball.

At the same time, the left analogue stick is not responsive enough nor precise enough, because the left analogue stick is restricted by the d-pad roots or limitations.

It's funny, that by trying to keep a certain d-pad feel, they might be doing the exact opposite... because that is the reason for why the left analogue stick is unresponsive and sluggish.

This is why, the general opinion is, that the D-PAD is responsive but arcade, and that the LEFT ANALOGUE STICK is regarded as unresponsive but simulation...

You should not listen to that, that is a load of bullshit, the left analogue stick is unresponsive and sluggish and as ARCADE as it can possibly be... because it functions like a d-pad.

The idea that UNRESPONSIVE and SIMULATION are one and the same, is a great misconception, it is a lie; EA Sports sold the idea of "360 DRIBBLING" when in fact it is 360 RUNNING... it is a 360-axis d-pad concept, it is NOT a



Listen,

I payed a lot of money for my PS3 console... I hope you can understand that I want my money's worth, I want a PS3 game, I do not want a PS2 game with nice graphics and animations and couple of details here and there.

Your argument makes you look like a naive or ignorant consumer, you think certain things CANNOT be done... WHY do you think that it cannot be done?

WHY do you think that? When KONAMI themselves have told us, that PES11 should have been PES08?

Does the FACT that KONAMI said that PES11 should have been PES08... Does that not tell you something? What do you think Konami will do in 5 years time?

Don't be naive and ignorant and conveniently use the excuse that "PES is only a video game" to justify your ignorance: PES is a BUSINESS.........

Konami wants your MONEY, and when there is MONEY involved, it means that it is serious and should be taken seriously.

And because WE, CONSUMERS, FINANCE the video game; we have every right of expressing the fact that they are adding cheap details to a very outdated concept.

Yes there are limitations, we have a total of 10 fingers, the control has a total of 11 buttons; there will always be limitations.

But Konami and EA Sports using the very same D-PAD CONCEPT that was used in video games like PES5 and PES6... is not a limitation that I consider acceptable in year 2010, let alone year 2011.

In my opinion, PES10 is what PES08 should have been, and PES11 is what PES09 should have been.... KONAMI themselves have ADMITTED this; the only difference is that KONAMI said that PES11 should have been PES08.

When KONAMI admits that PES11 should have been PES08, the words of SEABASS; how can you say that certain things cannot be done when KONAMI is saying to you that PES11 should have been PES08?

If Konami is saying that PES11 should have been PES08, this tells me that there are plenty of things that are yet to be done.

And what have they not done yet?

They are still using a D-PAD CONCEPT... They UPDATE the D-PAD CONCEPT on a yearly basis... and when they run out of details/updates, they will be forced into REPLACING the outdated d-pad concept.

In a couple of years they will expose the underlying flaw, and they will replace the D-PAD CONCEPT with an ANALOGUE CONCEPT; and people will get to see why the d-pad was and currently is, such a massive limitation...

It's constructive criticism, I enjoy playing PES10, and I will definitely enjoy playing PES11 because PES11 makes better use of the LEFT ANALOGUE STICK.

But the fact remains, that the game is currently restricted by the remaining d-pad roots: the left analogue stick should not be restricted by the limitations of a completely different button.




That's like saying, if you want real freedom, then go buy a pistol and shot yourself in the head.

It's completely pointless and completely negative. Do you have an actual point or was that it?

This is the great problem that we face in the 21st century: people are forgetting how to think and how to communicate, because today, it's all about MONEY, MONEY, MONEY... and cheap things produce more PROFIT for the CORPORATIONS.

And CORPORATIONS and GOVERNMENTS, love it, when they know that the people who FINANCE their BUSINESS... do not know why the flaws exist.

And the vast majority of us, human beings, only seem capable of agreeing or disagreeing, but rarely actually talk or communicate... the ability of THINKING is deteriorating at a very alarming rate; and this means great BUSINESS for the CORPORATIONS and for the GOVERNMENT and anything that has anything to do with MONEY.

We, human beings, are so dependent on MONEY... that we encourage CENSORSHIP, and that very CENSORSHIP that we encourage and pay for, is used against us by the very people whom are rich because of us.

I pay for PES, and I want PES to continue improving, I want my money's worth, I want a quality drug; I do not want to play PES15 and find out that the game is still restricted by the D-PAD CONCEPT that was used in PES5 and PES6.

I can see that you disagree with me; cool... I also disagree with you.




That's what we don't have anymore, rationality... today is all about I agree, I disagree, I don't care.

Don't ask them WHY because they have no idea why and can't be bothered with actually THINKING about it... No, that's too much work; today is all about, I agree, I disagree, I don't care, why? because I say so.

Just have fun with it, that's all I'm saying. it doesn't matter if the game is perfect, people will always find something negative. Do you know how to make a video game, no? then shut the f*** up. Calling people ignorant because you don't agree, lol, they are a lot of points in your argument that sound like your are never happy with anything, just chill and yes, watch some porn, rub one off and then write in this forum.